But America Donates So Much In Foreign Aid

I am sick of people using 'foreign aid' to defend American Imperialism. All 'foreign aid' is given for political reason's not for humanitarian reason's. If you think that the 'foreign aid' absolves the American Government of its sins then you should check your head for a scar because someone has given you a lobotomy while you were sleeping.

I think you all know 'foreign aid' is a scam. So many use 'aid' as some kind of argument that the world relies on America to function. Some Americans have the audacity to actually express resentment toward 'emerging' nations and have the opinion that the emerging nations should be more appreciative of their American masters lest they be cut off. Why would a debt ridden nation like America give aid to a country like Pakistan? Think about it.

In return for their support, Pakistan had sanctions lifted and has received about $10 billion in U.S. aid since 2001, primarily military. In June 2004, President George W. Bush designated Pakistan as a major non-NATO ally,[7] making it eligible, among other things, to purchase advanced American military technology.

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Maybe that will help for those of you that seem to have suffered a lobotomy. 'Foriegn aid' is the American Government using taxpayer dollars to buy favour around the world and to faciltate imperialism. Its also to give false comfort to those of you that are so eager to march on for a corrupt and demonic regime. Stop being so ludicrous. Stop being so easily fooled. Stop nodding your head at their insulting bs.

America is more than happy to watch people starve in a place like North Korea. Not only are they happy to watch it but they actively contribute to it. They want people to starve in North Korea. They want people to starve in Iran. If you dont do what the American imperial overlords tell you to do you can expect sanctions and embargo's. America will gladly starve you out if you dont do what they say.

America is also very reluctant to offer aid to countries that have nothing to offer. Somalia doesnt have much to offer. Red Tape can allow the US to watch 30000 children starve to death. If America has the right to the Reserve Currency then they have the obligation to prevent 30000 children from straving to death in Somalia. Why isnt Al Shabbab and Somalia more of a priority in the 'War on Terror'? They dont have much to offer is why. America does not 'help',they invest.

We also know that aid is always wasted and only a fraction of the money ever gets to the people in need. This is a good quote. -- “Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries.” -- Douglas Casey - classmate of Bill Clinton at Georgetown University

In addition to liberal do-gooders selling flim flam that give themselves well paid jobs with the 'foreign aid' we also see aid go to corrupt officials that often put the money in their pockets or use the money for other things like propping up their complicit goverments. That brings me to the IMF mafia. If you dont know about the International Monetary Fund then you should. We have an obligation to pay attention. Ron Paul can explain it better than I can so --

Very few Americans realize the extent to which Congress sends billions of their tax dollars overseas to fund the most counterproductive foreign welfare schemes imaginable, always in the guise of helping the poor. A recent report by the congressional Joint Economic Committee on which I serve highlights the reckless manner in which one organization, the International Monetary Fund, wastes your money around the world.

www.la.org.au...

The IMF mafia are a tool of American Imperialism. They want more of your taxpayer money than ever right now to waste on countries with no hope of paying back the IMF loans.

IMF loans often do far more harm than good. At best IMF borrowers are governments of countries with little economic productivity; at worst the money ends up in the hands of corrupt dictators. Either way, most recipient nations face huge debts they cannot service, which only adds to their poverty and instability. IMF money ultimately corrupts those countries it purports to help, by keeping afloat reckless political institutions

All American 'foreign aid' is political. Ultimately it does not help anyone other than America. It cannot be used as an excuse for American imperialism. America's economy is an unfixable mess.America cannot afford to continue sendind aid/bribes to other nations but it has to. America is losing its grip on its crumbling empire. It will need to continue to borrow money from China so it can send aid to China. America is losing control of the Empire. Soon it wont have enough to continue with the bribes. To all those suffering a lobotomy I would encourage you to make 'foriegn aid' an election issue. Stop the bribes. Then see how much faster the American Imperial Empire crumbles around you. You people want those living in countries to be gratetful for your governments bribes? You should be thanking them that they are complicit.

America contributes the most to the IMF because the whole point of the IMF is to keep America on top. I would like to know why the rest of us are pressured into donating to the IMF. Or NATO or the UN for that matter. America has failed. We must let it die or at the very least stand alone. We dont want your imperialism. Greeks dont want your imperialism. Keep your IMF and your aid/bribes. The world would be better off. Fix your own problems. Why is the world still getting dictated to by a country that cant even run their own economy? Why do we get bossed around by a country that cannot even maintain their 'credit rating'? A country that has no right to keep their 'Reserve Currency' status. You need us America. We dont need you. Keep your borrowed bribes. We dont need them. Fix your own problems instead of nurturing the problems in other countries.

And stop using 'aid' to defend American Imperialism.

I completely agree with everything you have said mate - probably because I, too, am not American.

It's amazing what an outsiders view can actually see.

Careful though mate, I am willing to put money down on the fact you (and now I) will be labelled "America Haters" several times throughout this thread.

I think a good book I read on the subject was called "odious debts".

One other thing they highlighted, was that a lot of aid has been paid just so certain countries would meet their interest payments. Either that or the Governments receiving it would us it to borrow more money while blowing the aid on pet projects that diverted the money elsewhere.

It's a fun topic.

Originally posted by Kryties
I completely agree with everything you have said mate - probably because I, too, am not American.

It's amazing what an outsiders view can actually see.

Careful though mate, I am willing to put money down on the fact you (and now I) will be labelled "America Haters" several times throughout this thread.

edit on 13/2/2012 by Kryties because: (no reason given)

Yeah,if you say anything critical about America you are labelled a troll and a hater.

I dont hate Americans,I hate their government. We all should.

And we all should be critical of the American Government since its the centre of the death star. I cant think of a more pressing or relevant topic than debating America's position in the world.

Americans are so egocentric and blind for the most part that it blows their minds to think America isnt perfect and the greatest nation on earth. They need to acknowledge problems before they can fix them.

Originally posted by boncho
I think a good book I read on the subject was called "odious debts".

One other thing they highlighted, was that a lot of aid has been paid just so certain countries would meet their interest payments. Either that or the Governments receiving it would us it to borrow more money while blowing the aid on pet projects that diverted the money elsewhere.

It's a fun topic.

Thanks for the tip.

just had a look for an ebook download. Found one called Greeces Odious Debts.
ebooksfreedownload.org... itical-elite-and-the-investment-repost-online-free.html

And yeah,it is an interesting topic.

Ron Paul said it best. All foreign aid is just taking money from the poor people of one nation and giving it to the rich people of another nation.

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For sure. Ron Paul is the best guy running for the presidency by a long way.

Originally posted by theubermensch

And we all should be critical of the American Government since its the centre of the death star. I cant think of a more pressing or relevant topic than debating America's position in the world.

Americans are so egocentric and blind for the most part that it blows their minds to think America isnt perfect and the greatest nation on earth. They need to acknowledge problems before they can fix them.

I could not have put it better myself mate, have you been reading my mind or something?

Had I my way, we'd just go back into isolationism. No free trade, no NATO, no UN, no naval bases, no foreign aid, no nothing.

Frankly, I'm tired of American imperialism, too. I think it's time to start letting the Chinese do the work.

Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by theubermensch

And we all should be critical of the American Government since its the centre of the death star. I cant think of a more pressing or relevant topic than debating America's position in the world.

Americans are so egocentric and blind for the most part that it blows their minds to think America isnt perfect and the greatest nation on earth. They need to acknowledge problems before they can fix them.

I could not have put it better myself mate, have you been reading my mind or something?

Must be that collective shift of consciousness ir something

Im glad we agree digger.

Originally posted by AnIntellectualRedneck
Frankly, I'm tired of American imperialism, too. I think it's time to start letting the Chinese do the work.

I see what you did there

Personally I am seeing a rapidly narrowing difference between US and Chinese imperialism. Both have only their own interests at heart and both use military force to achieve that - despite the wishes of the rest of the international community.

Originally posted by AnIntellectualRedneck
Had I my way, we'd just go back into isolationism. No free trade, no NATO, no UN, no naval bases, no foreign aid, no nothing.

Frankly, I'm tired of American imperialism, too. I think it's time to start letting the Chinese do the work.

I agree. I think an economy must function independantly. Being all linked up like we are now means that if one of the larger economies falters it touches us all. If Greece falls it will start a domino effect. Its crazy really.

I like to call it nationalism instead of isolationism. I know that not all countries have the resources to be fully independant but I think we should all focus on investing in our own economies and also protecting them with tarrifs and things that protect industies. A tarriff is more sensible than government assistance/bailouts, For example instead of giving huge amounts of money to car manufacturers in the west we could instead put a tax on imported cars.

edit- See I always give people too much credit Im ready for China to do the work. America failed.

I think most Americans have an "anti-american" sentiment on this board or we at least don't like what our government does. So I don't know what you people are talking about.

reply to post by RealSpoke


No offence mate, but you have been a member on here a very short time. Those of us who have been on here for several years have noticed this type of argument from different Americans on at least a weekly basis.

reply to post by Kryties


No I've been here since 2005, longer than you . But password reset destroyed my account like my signature says.

There's a few neo-con people on here but most of ATS has an anti- USA Government mindset, American or not.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Well then you must be completely blind to the fact that Americans use this type of argument on a regular basis here on ATS. If you REALLY want me to, I can go through all the threads I have posted in in the last 4 years and start listing off examples - something which will probably be moderated simply because it will take up several pages of this thread.

But I am willing to do so if necessary - to prove the point.

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And I'm 100% sure those post will never out number the Anti-USA government posts that I could find

And anti-foreign aid posts
And anti- interventionist posts

Originally posted by RealSpoke
I think most Americans have an "anti-american" sentiment on this board or we at least don't like what our government does. So I don't know what you people are talking about.

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I agree to a point. I guess that is a rant to anyone not just Americans. I hate that we all let politicians and corporatists tell us how to think and we let them fool us. I dont think Americans are antigovernment enough.

America affects all of us so its frustrating that I have no say in your elections. I live in your empire yet I am not an imperial citizen. If you people vote Obama or Romney in I think I have the right to be angry at Americans. You have an obligation to keep your leaders in check for the rest of us. An obligation to pay attention. An obligation to not be so easily fooled and accepting.

reply to post by RealSpoke


So put your money where your mouth is and prove it. I can prove my side, can you?

Personally I think you're just whinging that somebody called Americans out on their ridiculous argument.

reply to post by Kryties


Yeah, I can. Just look at every thread in the political madness forum or US politics.


I don't really care if you hate on Americans as I do the same. What exactly am I whining about?