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Originally posted by Slavich
reply to post by theBigToe
Do you think consumerism and obsession with material wealth is a good thing?
Do you think a system set up for rich people to benefit and poor people to suffer is a good thing?
It is not so much that you are brainwashed or sheep. It is that you have no soul and the ability to see things from any other point of view then your own.
Originally posted by Slavich
reply to post by theBigToe
Do you think consumerism and obsession with material wealth is a good thing?
Do you think a system set up for rich people to benefit and poor people to suffer is a good thing?
It is not so much that you are brainwashed or sheep. It is that you have no soul and the ability to see things from any other point of view then your own.
Originally posted by theBigToe
Originally posted by Slavich
reply to post by theBigToe
Do you think consumerism and obsession with material wealth is a good thing?
Do you think a system set up for rich people to benefit and poor people to suffer is a good thing?
It is not so much that you are brainwashed or sheep. It is that you have no soul and the ability to see things from any other point of view then your own.
I dont know what any of this has to do with being propagandized? I just see you insulting somebody for refusing to see things from your point of view.
Originally posted by jvm222
Originally posted by theBigToe
Originally posted by Slavich
reply to post by theBigToe
Do you think consumerism and obsession with material wealth is a good thing?
Do you think a system set up for rich people to benefit and poor people to suffer is a good thing?
It is not so much that you are brainwashed or sheep. It is that you have no soul and the ability to see things from any other point of view then your own.
I dont know what any of this has to do with being propagandized? I just see you insulting somebody for refusing to see things from your point of view.
Maybe propaganda is the wrong word. I like to use the words brainwashed, conditioned from birth, blinded.... You can just look into big companies marketing strategies to see(if you really want to see it, you could be in total denial about it if you can't comprehend why our loving corporations would do this to us) how they use specific subconscious techniques to get people sucked into a fantasy world of materialism. It doesn't even stop there. Its a false teacher for people. A lot of media likes to portray things 'as is' as to get people to expect and follow such a pattern which is not beneficial for a society. If you can't see that we as a whole group of people are regressing instead of mentally, emotionally or spiritually evolving then you can live out your conditioned dreams.
Most people misuse the word propaganda. The media 'spins' things to make people think what they want them to think and react to. To myself it is common sense as i've seen it for so long. Those actors you see on cnn and fox news are just reading from a script written for them by writers who are given ideas and told to write it in specific form for the benefit on the media company and it's interests for the contributors.
Originally posted by theBigToe
Is I think, propaganda. I dont think its possible to get through a single conversation with somebody and be pro-American, without them throwing the words propaganda and brainwashed at you. So, is everybody pro-Western brainwashed by propaganda? Or are we just using this word too much? What do you think?
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by theBigToe
First, an off-topic sentence or two. I don't understand where the anger is coming from on this site, have you seen it? It seems like the last week or two have gotten a little more heated without any real necessity for it. Oh, well, back to your OP.
"Propaganda" is certainly used a lot, why not use the simple word "Lie?" I think there are a couple of reasons. One, "propaganda" sounds more thoughtful and intelligent. The user may be giving themselves a pat on the back for knowing and using such big words. Two, "propaganda" may be used to deal with information which is entirely true but casts your side in a bad light. You try to make it look false, but it really isn't so you slap "propaganda" on it.
Unfortunately, in the West, there's some of both. There are some lies coming out of the White House. That isn't new, but the frequency and stupidity of those lies is remarkable.
For opponents of the West, and there are many, the second use comes into play. I don't want to start a fight on a side issue, but some terrifying news comes out of parts of the world, and those living there say "We wouldn't do that, it's inhumane, our religion forbids it, it was just crazy people, it's propaganda from the West."
Westerners see that bad news and say "Hey, we're better than that." That leads us to be pro-Western. The anti-Westerners have little to say but "You're beliefs are false, your image of other countries is false. You have to believe us when we tell you that the West is the terrible one."
The use of the word "propaganda" in this case is just trying to hide from bad news and deflect the attention to somebody else.
P.s. Sometime the anti-Western attack is more aggressive, taking the form of insults, but that's the topic for another post.
Originally posted by Slavich
reply to post by theBigToe
Do you think consumerism and obsession with material wealth is a good thing?
Do you think a system set up for rich people to benefit and poor people to suffer is a good thing?
It is not so much that you are brainwashed or sheep. It is that you have no soul and the ability to see things from any other point of view then your own.