Shyness, grieving soon to be classified as mental illness

reply to post by wildtimes

People should seek help when they are disturbed or become unable to maintain functioning. Get references, interview the clinician, find out if they are specialists in your area of discomfort, read up on the 'condition' they have 'diagnosed', and seek a second opinion if you don't feel confident. Any legit professional will encourage you to do so.

Unfortunately, many patients are not capable of that.

Especially if an underlying condition prevents it for whatever reason.

Many professionals may not understand that.

It is easy to make a point when talking to an audience of like minded people, but tough when the listeners are not functioning properly by no fault of their own.

The corporate mentality always takes the smooth road, and always wants the profits first.

Like they say; I'll take the highway, you take the tollway.

We are increasingly living in a world in which anything outside of rank-and-file is labelled a destructive, dangerous aberration. This does not shock me. It makes me angry, but it does not shock me. Affixing the "mentally ill" label to a person who could conceivably threaten the system tptb have worked ever so hard to inflict upon us is a very easy way to neutralize those potential threats before they become difficult for the puppeteers to quietly dispose of.

reply to post by xuenchen

Unfortunately, many patients are not capable of that.

Then their support system should be seeing to it.

Especially if an underlying condition prevents it for whatever reason.

Like what? Needing help? Being catatonic? A deaf-mute? Palsy?

Many professionals may not understand that.

Dude, this some seriously inappropriate bashing. You don't know what you're talking about.

I don't know what crapola you have been reading, or what your personal experiences are, but your blanket statements of 'alert' to people that may very well benefit from skilled professional help is not HELPING anything but fear and paranoia. For crying out loud, knock it off! You sound like a MSM talking head who's not got the first clue of how the behavioral health field is set up.

reply to post by nithaiah


Thank god someone knows what's really going on. Great post.

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reply to post by wildtimes


OK, your opinion is good.

I see I have made a point clear.

I hope some "professionals" don't over-react like this,

especially when a patient's life is at stake.

Some insiders say the "pros" take easy street when they get a "problem" patient.

This IS a general conspiracy forum by the way.

Your contributions are good.

The mark of a sane mind is to regard things rationally and not immediately jump to the "its crazy" explanation. How mant times, even on ATS, do we hear people so quickly using the insanity card? You must be crazy if you are talking about conspiracies on a conspiracy website

Originally posted by filosophia
The mark of a sane mind is to regard things rationally and not immediately jump to the "its crazy" explanation. How mant times, even on ATS, do we hear people so quickly using the insanity card? You must be crazy if you are talking about conspiracies on a conspiracy website

Jesus,

thanks, I was starting to wonder myself

now i don't need to see the Doctor today.

I will self-heal myself.


ETA: We must be hitting some nerves too.

reply to post by xuenchen

ETA: We must be hitting some nerves too.

This is also website that wants to deny ignorance. Yes, you hit a nerve when you label ALL mental health practitioners as evil pharma-tools laughing "BWAhahahhhaaaaa....ah...." as they have just administered some bogus medication ...
For you to post a thread intended to terrify people based on your shallow interpretation of something in which you are not an insider is sensationalist crap.

There are corrupt people EVERYWHERE, in EVERY industry.

Get over yourself, chen. Be fair-handed in addressing issues that bother you, rather than coming on here telling a bunch of already-jumpy paranoiacs who are hiding in their basements thinking everyone around them is up to something sinister that they are next on the list for 'lobotomy experiments.' For heaven's sake!

If this was some smartass attempt to discredit me, or the integrity of millions of practitioners who live by the code of ethics and carefully consider everything they do with an eye to compassion and the welfare of others, it failed. You've only reinforced my earlier impression of you as a rabble-rouser from another thread.

It's a conspiracy on YOUR part to defame a noble profession in which many, many people are genuinely working to improve the quality of life for others who admit they are suffering. There are rogue members in every group. Rout them out, absolutely, but don't condemn the lot for something one asshole did.
Major FAIL, dude.

reply to post by wildtimes


Thanks for your reply.

Your opinion counts just as much as anyone else's.

Do you do this with all your "patients" ?

My God I hope not.

This is what I am exposing. I see we need some "work" to help reduce the failures.

Please re-read my responses and think it over.

Some normal, educated information might help your argument.

Things like statistics about failed programs, over medicated patients, misdiagnoses, etc.

reply to post by wildtimes

Get over yourself, chen. Be fair-handed in addressing issues that bother you, rather than coming on here telling a bunch of already-jumpy paranoiacs who are hiding in their basements thinking everyone around them is up to something sinister that they are next on the list for 'lobotomy experiments.' For heaven's sake!

Perhaps it will save lives and misery and money and grief.

Always look for the positives.

And i did not know that Shyness was a form of "already-jumpy paranoiacs".

And many homes do not have basements.

reply to post by xuenchen


Oh for crying out loud!!...what, do you not have the capacity to engage in an adult conversation? Someone comes and says "hang on a minute.....!" to what you are spewing, and you just shut down like a little kid? Start attacking a figure of speech to prove a point that has no basis and is counterproductive?

It is obvious when people are using metaphors....
and when they are spreading fear on a website that has many very, very afraid people. I happen to be one of them; so if someone talks about military corruption, or stock-market corruption, or government corruption, or religious institutional corruption, I listen.
I think about it, I look for real information.... I don't start crying "Wolf! Wolf!"....

your intimations are suspicions based on lack of firm knowledge and bona fide research. It's my job, my personal agenda, as a human being, to point out when someone is spreading alarmist nonsense about something I KNOW about.
D E N Y I G N O R A N C E
Deny Limbaugh, deny Beck, deny ANYONE who is trying to scare the crap out of people. The world is confusing enough!!!

reply to post by xuenchen


This will be interesting. In circles where I can care less about the people I am perceived as "shy". In another I am very open and vocal and love to be the center of attention when I am in my element.

So will I then be considered bi-polar?!

Seriously I think we are just making stuff up for the heck of it. Do people have real issues that relate to shyness? Absolutely and I am not discrediting those; but come on....

I guess I'm seriously ill mentally, but I don't give a damn anyway! It was a little over 4 weeks after the day my 22 year old son was killed, when my family doctor at the time told me I had been grieving long enough! This was in 2007 and I'm still grieving, though obviously not in the way I was four weeks after he was killed.

reply to post by wildtimes


I'm genuinely sorry to see a professional displaying such behavior !

I was hoping for some professional information and opinions.

My opinions stand as said.

Sorry for your dilema and confusion.

Aside from all that, the article is the focus.

Thanks anyway for explaining the DSM structure of the book.

It at least was informative. I didn't know about the "axis" methods.

I hope you have a better day.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Why do we need to keep inventing new conditions and diagnosis?

Billing purposes, of course! lol

reply to post by Bkrmn

I guess I'm seriously ill mentally, but I don't give a damn anyway! It was a little over 4 weeks after the day my 22 year old son was killed, when my family doctor at the time told me I had been grieving long enough!

Your family doctor?
You did not go to a specialist, a therapist trained in grief counseling, then, correct?

Regardless, whatever professional told you that was full of crap. If my 21-year old son was killed, I'd be in a strait jacket for the rest of my life.
I'm sorry for the incompetence of that ignorant doctor. Tell your family not to go to him/her anymore.

The DSM IV currently considers "appropriate grievance time" to be two months. That means that if you lost your spouse unexpectedly, which is rated the most stressful occurance anyone can go through on the Bech Stress Assessment, if you grieve up to a year you are clinically depressed.

This hits home for me because my father unexpectedly died when I was 12. My mother never remarried, never even went on a single date. Some consider this odd behavior, some dont. I will never stop grieving my father; the last stage of grief is not "normality" is is "acceptance."

reply to post by xuenchen

I'm genuinely sorry to see a professional displaying such behavior !

I was hoping for some professional information and opinions.

And you got them!
And you continued to disrespect the entire profession itself and sow your seeds of allegation where you thought they'd find purchase.

I'm participating in this thread because the article was presented as a conspiracy. And like I said, I'm retired from practice.
What behavior are you 'sorry to see'? Someone protesting unfair treatment? Someone who is denying the ignorant allegations and aspersions that you are stating here as though you are a 'subject matter expert'?

Well, I'm genuinely sorry, but that's a human right.
You attack me and spread disinformation about something I know, and am fully qualified to dispute; you get confronted.
The site's motto is "DENY IGNORANCE". You are peddling ignorance based on sensationalism.
My day's going great, though! Thanks for asking! I had a wonderful opportunity to debunk a completely erroneous and skewed version of how the mental health system is set up.

reply to post by wildtimes


I would like to hear your opinion on this from the article in focus.

More than 11,000 health professionals have already signed a petition (at dsm5-reform.com) calling for the development of the fifth edition of the manual to be halted and re-thought.

"The proposed revision to DSM ... will exacerbate the problems that result from trying to fit a medical, diagnostic system to problems that just don't fit nicely into those boxes," said Peter Kinderman, a clinical psychologist and head of Liverpool University's Institute of Psychology at a briefing about widespread concerns over the book in London.

He said the new edition - known as DSM-5 - "will pathologise a wide range of problems which should never be thought of as mental illnesses."

also, concerning the "shyness" "category",

are there any current medication treatments for this ?
(assuming that it is currently considered a diagnosable condition)