Shyness, grieving soon to be classified as mental illness

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Ummm.... Why do we need to keep inventing new conditions and diagnosis?

It must be about the designer drugs.

Nothing else makes sense.

try out the possibility that having a debilitating psychiatric problem, and medications...
put you on the Deny List when, in the very near future,

Personal 'afflictions' like ADD, hyper-activity, worry, despair, shyness, stage fright, grieving will be grounds to exclude you from operating a vehicle or buying a hunting gun or rifle... perhaps even to register to vote...

of course you will be singled out for a full body cavity search at the airports/ship docks/passport offices, etc


the inroads are being laid out right under our noses


watch out, the dystopia movie, about the only real people are the ones with the proper DNA sequences,
AKA the 'beautiful' People and the privledged class... is coming into our daily reality disguised as Øbama-Care

here's the movie... = GATTACA

Gattaca (1997) - Trivia - IMDb
www.imdb.com/title/tt0119177/trivia
The name "Gattaca" is composed entirely of the letters used to label the nucleotide bases of DNA. The four nitrogen bases of DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) are ..(GATC)...

Its against their own research to label anything like this. They've mapped the brain and done long term tests on personality, but not easy to find info. Read a book years ago, about innies and outies. And it sited the research done in universities and social psychology studies. Just a little more than 25% are shy, or introverts, and they're the master planners. Nature doesnt need more than that percentage. They even use different pathways in the brain for communicating. They don't use the endorphine one. Outgoing people are doers, and they have brain endorphines linked to being with others. Innies, are overwhelmed and freeze, its flight or fight/freeze, from the chemicals. When they mapped their pathways, they go through the front lobal and use chemicals that are associated in other studies with memory and memory retrivals, ie data processing. In other words, they may not being saying much, but they're absorbing everything, correlating it to other stored information, making comparisons to memories and every bit of data stored, and when they finally speak, its going to be a very accurate and very deep assessment.

You have teachers and professionals treating it like an illness, and the researchers knowing its a very needed variation of human.

I gather TPTB just don't like people being master planners. But they can shove it, they are not going to win with the new energies coming in, the only win possible is progression and equality and that will only happen for them, if they come out and confess, and start to use all their assets to make up for the slavery and inequality, and become servants of humanity.

I used this as a thread subject a short while ago,but it fits better here!
(Laughter is still one of the best medicines!)

reply to post by xuenchen


More money.

That is all this is about.

It is that simple.

reply to post by Unity_99

You have teachers and professionals treating it like an illness, and the researchers knowing its a very needed variation of human.

I gather TPTB just don't like people being master planners. But they can shove it, they are not going to win with the new energies coming in, the only win possible is progression and equality and that will only happen for them, if they come out and confess, and start to use all their assets to make up for the slavery and inequality, and become servants of humanity.

Maybe part of the plan is to identify such people.

TPTB could use the database as a recruiting tool

reply to post by JohnnyTHSeed

A diagnosis is only made if the described item inhibits a person's ability to function. A shy person would not be diagnosed. A person who is so shy that they are unable to pursue happiness could use some help.

Johnny is right: The Fifth Axis is the client's Global Assessment of Functioning, which is a continuum, 0-100, representing how disrupted the person's life is by their 'issues'. This is partly a subjective measure (how the client feels like they are doing with leading their life), and partly by observation: The client is so shy they can't keep a job - or leave the house - that is a marked problem.
reply to post by xuenchen

Okay, everybody.....whoa whoa whoa....calm down for a minute.
I am a professional who owns a DSM-IVTR and was trained in how to use it.
Diagnostic
Statistical
Manual
IV (fourth revision)
Text
Revision

I was unaware a new version is being prepared, as I am no longer practicing, BUT....the OP's claims are based on a very limited awareness of how it is written, what it's for in the hands of a helping professional (primarily BILLING CODES), and also the amount of material it contains. It's like a huge checklist which aims to categorize the infinite variety of functioning styles and abilities of human beings.

There a 5 Axes that are used to find a 'numeric code' that can be written on a medical chart. That is the reason the Manual exists; so that the helper can assign a number indicating the nature of the client's constellation of problems, and statisticians can use that 'coded feedback' to periodically upgrade it with demographic and causal info.
Online description of how it's used

The DSM IV is published by the American Psychiatric Association. Much of the information from the Psychiatric Disorders pages is summarized from the pages of this text. Should any questions arise concerning incongruencies or inaccurate information, you should always default to the DSM as the ultimate guide to mental disorders.

The DSM uses a multiaxial or multidimensional approach to diagnosing because rarely do other factors in a person's life not impact their mental health. It assesses five dimensions as described below:

Axis I: Clinical Syndromes
This is what we typically think of as the diagnosis (e.g., depression, schizophrenia, social phobia)

Axis II: Developmental Disorders and Personality Disorders
Developmental disorders include autism and mental retardation, disorders which are typically first evident in childhood
Personality disorders are clinical syndromes which have a more long lasting symptoms and encompass the individual's way of interacting with the world. They include Paranoid, Antisocial, and Borderline Personality Disorders.

Axis III: Physical Conditions which play a role in the development, continuance, or exacerbation of Axis I and II Disorders
Physical conditions such as brain injury or HIV/AIDS that can result in symptoms of mental illness are included here.

Axis IV: Severity of Psychosocial Stressors
Events in a persons life, such as death of a loved one, starting a new job, college, unemployment, and even marriage can impact the disorders listed in Axis I and II. These events are both listed and rated for this axis.

Axis V: Highest Level of Functioning
On the final axis, the clinician rates the person's level of functioning both at the present time and the highest level within the previous year. This helps the clinician understand how the above four axes are affecting the person and what type of changes could be expected.

Global Assessment of Functioning

Professionals are trained to be very cautious is making diagnoses that have poor prognosis. MOST PROBLEMS can be treated and MANY clients present with simple adjustment disorders...like grief, or anxiety due to a recent traumatic event. They are short-term responses to life crises.

The most severe and persistent problems are NEVER diagnosed unless EVERYTHING ELSE has been considered and no 'less intense' constellation of behaviors or feelings fits.

Good lord, people, PLEASE, do NOT SPREAD the OP's kind of hysterical nonsense around!
DENY IGNORANCE.

reply to post by wildtimes


Not a bad explanation.

But hysterics does not make a clear point.

What happens when a "mis-diagnosis" leads to long term damage.
(The Ritalin scandal for example)

Or worse yet, a "convenient" mis-diagnosis made by a professional with an agenda that may not be for the benefit of a patient.

This has been going on alot longer that you would think. The advent of social anxiety disorder (shyness or alienation,) PMDD (regular hormonal shifts,) and Bi-polar 2 (impulsivety) have been around for years. They are marketing illness, nothing more, nothing less.

Watched a great documentary on this, The Marketing of Madness. It explored all sides of the spectrum on this issue; even going in-depth to the history of the Psychiatry and Psychology field.

Geez almighty.
Medical conditions are like apps.

Ex: There's a pill for that

reply to post by Alxandro


HAHA! that's essentially whats going on.

Here is a link to the documentary if anyone is interested.

This is sick!
More labels, more pills, more marketing terms.
Its all about sales for the already disgusting pill pushers...money for drug companies, basically is legal drug dealing, because the government says so.

reply to post by MarlboroRedCowgirl


OOps !

The video is corrupted or something.

Is there another, or at least a wording ?

reply to post by xuenchen


sure here is a direct link... www.youtube.com...
Ill test and see if it works, if not I will edit this post.

reply to post by xuenchen

What happens when a "mis-diagnosis" leads to long term damage.
(The Ritalin scandal for example)

The practitioner that missed the diagnosis should be held accountable and either re-trained or placed under supervision like they were in the early years of practicing. And the pharma companies should not have received FDA approval. That has NOTHING to do with the diagnosis. That is prescribing, and it is the strict domain of M.D.s in Psychiatry.

Or worse yet, a "convenient" mis-diagnosis made by a professional with an agenda that may not be for the benefit of a patient.

That professional should be stripped of their license and forbidden from practicing. Again you are talking about an M.D. Psychiatrist. There are checks and balances in the system, chen, and if someone is that manipulative and hasn't been found out, they are off the leash.

In a normal clinical environment, psychologists and clinical social workers (both psychotherapists) have to refer the client to a psychiatrist (an MD) for a prescription. The phsychiatrist will then interview the client to determine the accuracy of the therapist's 'diagnosis', and go from there.

Are there those who abuse power and are psychopaths practicing psychiatry? Yes, but they are not the norm.

You can't claim that every helping professional is a corrupt, pharma-tool fraud!!
That is patently RIDICULOUS.

reply to post by wildtimes


Good explanation again.

But as it stands today, there are many "cases" that go unidentified.

Many "professionals" go undetected.

These new "mental illnesses" are a prime target for corruption.

That's the point.

Not all educated and professional people are normal.

It seems too many are borderline psychotics themselves.

All it takes is a few bad apples to "kill" victims and families.

The intention of this thread is to wake up and alert as many potential victims as possible, not necessarily to knock "all" professionals as one big group.

reply to post by xuenchen

These new "mental illnesses" are a prime target for corruption.

That's the point.

You are aware, I hope, that many, many clients are helped without using any medication at all, right?

There are LOTS of different styles of therapy and options from which to choose; medication is only one of them, and normally a 'last resort' type of thing. It's not like you walk in and say "my mom just died and I can't stop crying" so they give you some medication that equals a lobotomy.!! You might get some temporary relief from taking a sedative until you get your balance back....and then you won't need them anymore.

You don't want meds? Fine, don't take any! Get plenty of rest, eat right, maybe read up on the grieving process.
No one is going to call your employer and say "That person is mentally ill!"

You want to overcome your crippling shyness by discussing why you feel that way and practicing different coping styles? Go for it!

The kind of "mental illness" that you are talking about applies only to those severely disturbed or hard-wired no-hopers who are pathologically unable to function in 'normal' society as productive and relatively healthy members of their communities/families.

reply to post by xuenchen

The intention of this thread is to wake up and alert as many potential victims as possible,

Alert them as to what?
A new book is being prepared for diagnostic professionals?

You are 'waking up' a paranoid conspiracy tendency by this sensationalist wide-sweeping 'alert'.

People should seek help when they are disturbed or become unable to maintain functioning. Get references, interview the clinician, find out if they are specialists in your area of discomfort, read up on the 'condition' they have 'diagnosed', and seek a second opinion if you don't feel confident. Any legit professional will encourage you to do so.

The only thing people need to be 'alert' about is believing what someone tells them without investigating the statements independently, and/or when that someone says "you don't need to read up on it, I know what I'm talking about." and blindly follows 'medical advice.'

reply to post by wildtimes


yes of course.

But again, this thread is alerting the possibilities (some say probabilities) of Professional abuse, not normal and genuine diagnosis methods.

Again, I cite the Ritalin abuses as a real example.

The anti-depressant craze is another.

Many professionals are limited by insurance ceilings and tend to take the easy way out.

Many professionals are also blinded by their own peer pressures within the "professions" so to speak.

And yes, most patients may very well be capable of deciding whether or not to "take the medicine", but many will always go along with the advice.

Again, the "extreme" cases are not what I am targeting.

This is about possible professional abuse, not normal and genuine practices.

reply to post by wildtimes

The only thing people need to be 'alert' about is believing what someone tells them without investigating the statements independently, and/or when that someone says "you don't need to read up on it, I know what I'm talking about." and blindly follows 'medical advice.'

Yes, people need to be aware that even the doctors and trained experts can be wrong, or corrupted by money. The extraordinary influence of the pharmaceutical industry in the healthcare industry is no conspiracy, it is very documented. The concern here is that this influence may be the new driving force for policy, as opposed to actual need.
That is a very real concern in a country where healthcare is a for profit industry.

reply to post by SurrealisticPillow


Good points.

We also need to remind ourselves of the medical industry cartels.

Those big outfits are growing by leaps and bounds.

The corporations have that almighty "fiduciary responsibility" clause.

Many Doctors are literally held hostage by insurance companies, drug companies, lawyers, accountants and other professionals.

It's a wonder that a patient can even get good care today as it is.