How could we wake up from this dream?

Before I get too metaphoric, I'd like to stay a little literal.

The other night I was having a dream as I slept. Now, anytime I have a dream I am always aware (at least what I would assume is subconsciously aware) that I am, in fact, dreaming. Night time dreams just have a certain feel to me. Usually they are hazy looking, as if they have a film of white over them. Sometimes I am not even in first-person and actually view my body in this dream from a distance. One thing is for sure, however: I am always aware that I am dreaming.

Well, this night was different. I was having a strange dream involving these weird electromagnetic pulses bouncing off of me and going out a large distance then bouncing back. Not really the point so I'll move on. During this dream I had the feeling that I have exactly now. Complete "normality". At one point in the dream I even thought to myself the very question I am asking now: "What if this is just a dream?" but then I quickly told myself "Nah.. this is real life." Guess who was wrong?

So, I woke up. Nothing really else interesting happened. The interesting thing to me is, that I truly thought that dream was reality. Of course, it was a dream and I was able to wake up normally just like I do any night. Which brings me to my next point:

Whenever I have a dream and I am aware that it is a dream, it is no problem for me to wake myself up and snap back to reality. I don't really know what I am doing other than just "waking up" but it is very easy. I have a dream and I want to get back to reality so I just... "snap myself back!" However, that is only because I have the context of reality to hold on to and snap back to.

So, now, let's ponder the old adage that "Life is but a dream!" Of course, we can't say for sure whether or not it is but if it is, and we are meant to wake up from it, how are we suppose to "snap back" to the higher reality?

To snap back to this reality from dreams I just simply do it because I have the context of my other reality. However, if this reality is a dream and there is an even higher reality, what context of it do we have to snap back to?

I know a lot of this sounds very cliché but I thought it was interesting to ponder, and, of course, if we really do not have a context to snap back to then I guess it is safe to say that this is reality and not a "dream" (in semantic sense).

Some would say this is becoming "enlightened" to wake up from this dream, and that we can obtain this state through meditation, prayer, worship, etc. Perhaps if we connect to this "God" or Universal energy it would give us some context to snap to?

I am very skeptic of that though. It seems like it would be an impossibility to wake up from a dream to a higher reality of which one has no context of.

Thoughts?

It's good to question for your own safety.
But we shouldn't delve into things that
will cause us depression, some times staying
ignorant about few things will help us to
stay alive. We definitely have something in
common that is linking us together all the time,
and the same as you I have dreams, lucid dreams,
vibrations in my body created through intense emotions
though I do believe dreams my be some kind of a portal
that we constantly have to travel through to keep us
human and not like those who simply hate.

Please do carry on your quest cause we live to find a
purpose in life, always.

reply to post by ErroneousDylan


Hi, Dylan.

Well, I am going to grab on to the word that you used, 'context'.

I like that one because lately I believe that we are actively narrating and storying our lives as we go through them. Sometimes we know it and some times we don't. We share narratives and compare them. We seem to adopt the bits of other narratives we like and sometimes even take on whole new narratives that we become enamored with. All of these stories have a context.

In dreaming it is said that with practice one can manipulate the context, or narrative of one's dreaming (Tibet). I am thinking that the same must be true for us here in the sub-lunar zone; we must change the context of our narrative in order to have any other experience than the context within which we operate. If one wanted another context to return to, a brilliant observation on your part, than the only way it seems to me to get one is to create one. In other words; change.

?.

X.

How can you snap back to something which you have never experienced or known? The difference between dreams and reality is just that, we know and can identify the differences.

"Dreams are successions of images, ideas, emotions, and sensations that occur involuntarily in the mind during certain stages of sleep."

If we are living in a dream, we have somehow being born or forced into the dream so that we have no previous recollection of BEFORE.

Another thought, what if death is your awakening from this 'dream' world into reality and this is all but another night in another life in another dimension.

So my short answer would be, no one knows.

reply to post by ErroneousDylan





the way to wake up?



death...

ironic isnt it?

A lot of what you describe reminds me of a derealization disorder, something I've had a lot of experience in. It's an interesting though chronic disorder that I've dealt with for quite some time. I've had similar thoughts with depersonalization (something that can go hand in hand with derealization disorders), in which I ponder if this is who I really am. Am I really who I think I am?

Definitely food for thought, star and flag.

Originally posted by deLune
A lot of what you describe reminds me of a derealization disorder, something I've had a lot of experience in. It's an interesting though chronic disorder that I've dealt with for quite some time. I've had similar thoughts with depersonalization (something that can go hand in hand with derealization disorders), in which I ponder if this is who I really am. Am I really who I think I am?

Definitely food for thought, star and flag.

Ah, yes. Funny you mention it. I've had an panic/anxiety disorder for about a year now. With that... comes derealization. So, I am actually quite familiar with it.

However, this isn't something that I would say is a symptom of my altered reality. Just a pondering though that I have wondered about.

You are right though. Derealization certainly makes everything more "dream-like". That much is true.

Originally posted by Xoanon
reply to post by ErroneousDylan

 

Hi, Dylan.

Well, I am going to grab on to the word that you used, 'context'.

I like that one because lately I believe that we are actively narrating and storying our lives as we go through them. Sometimes we know it and some times we don't. We share narratives and compare them. We seem to adopt the bits of other narratives we like and sometimes even take on whole new narratives that we become enamored with. All of these stories have a context.

In dreaming it is said that with practice one can manipulate the context, or narrative of one's dreaming (Tibet). I am thinking that the same must be true for us here in the sub-lunar zone; we must change the context of our narrative in order to have any other experience than the context within which we operate. If one wanted another context to return to, a brilliant observation on your part, than the only way it seems to me to get one is to create one. In other words; change.

?.

X.

edit on 9-2-2012 by Xoanon because: .

I see what you are saying. Perhaps, it really would be impossible to get back to our "true" reality if we have no context, but we could certainly create another. Although, I feel that would just be creating another dream within a dream. INCEPTION, any one?

The way I like to imagine it is this: It's as if you are sitting in a square room. No windows, no exits. Just a white square room. Like a padded one in an asylum, have you. You can say "The boundaries of my room are square and expand out 20 feet. Also, it is white." So, you believe your whole life this is what reality looks like. However, unbeknownst to you, there exists a whole reality outside this room you live in. But you have never seen it, heard of it, smelled it, or imagined it, so how could you really say it exists and if it did, and even if you pondered that maybe something did exist outside of your room, you could never really invision it as you have no context of it.

Sometimes I feel like it would be nice to get out of this white room.

Originally posted by ooYODAoo
reply to post by ErroneousDylan

 

the way to wake up?



death...

ironic isnt it?

I can believe that. I have heard many people say that. When you die, you finally wake up.

However, I have also heard of people "waking up" while still on this Earth plane. I can't say this is true though. Just what I have read and been told.

The dreamphase is where our soul is wandering on the spiritual planes of conscious. There are different levels of planes, but i do not know how many. Each person has ofcourse their own conscious planes they wander on.

This world we live as we call reality is where we learn about life through experiences. We only do what we want to do and in how much our surroundings are letting us do what we want to do.

To wake up is to be aware of not our higher conscious, but that what is higher then our conscious. As in God.

Once we where seed, then we became human and is the next step the soul ?

If you would live in a dream, then you do not want to wake up, if you would live in a nightmare, then you cant wait to wake up. The place you are in is you are choosing to either stay asleep in your dream, or wake up to the real reality that is life.

It's the blue pill or red pill for you!

Originally posted by TheGreatest
How can you snap back to something which you have never experienced or known? The difference between dreams and reality is just that, we know and can identify the differences.

"Dreams are successions of images, ideas, emotions, and sensations that occur involuntarily in the mind during certain stages of sleep."

If we are living in a dream, we have somehow being born or forced into the dream so that we have no previous recollection of BEFORE.

Another thought, what if death is your awakening from this 'dream' world into reality and this is all but another night in another life in another dimension.

So my short answer would be, no one knows.

edit on 9-2-2012 by TheGreatest because: (no reason given)

Have you asked everyone? Haha. I jest.

Originally posted by foreshadower99
It's good to question for your own safety.
But we shouldn't delve into things that
will cause us depression, some times staying
ignorant about few things will help us to
stay alive. We definitely have something in
common that is linking us together all the time,
and the same as you I have dreams, lucid dreams,
vibrations in my body created through intense emotions
though I do believe dreams my be some kind of a portal
that we constantly have to travel through to keep us
human and not like those who simply hate.

Please do carry on your quest cause we live to find a
purpose in life, always.

I agree with you. Very interesting things to ponder, but at the same time can be very scary to me and I'm not sure why. Perhaps, my ego doesn't want to admit to these things? Fear of the unknown is pretty common, you know.

reply to post by ErroneousDylan


The way to wake up from this dream is to find out who is dreaming. In a night time dream there are 'things' appearing, 'things' are seen by the dreamer.
In this 'waking state', 'things' are seen and experienced. All the 'things' that you can name, including thoughts and emotions, are not the dreamer/ seer because they are seen.
The seer, perciever can not be seen, but it can be known.

You (as the seer), are constant throughout every experience. You (as the aware presence) are the one constant, you are never absent, whether dreaming, deep sleep or waking state. Within each of these so called states patterns, colors and movement occur (appear) to you, they are constantly changing but you the as the seer and knower of experience never changes.
The shaping, coloring and patterning is like a moving movie reel and you are the watcher that never moves.

Please watch this short video where Peter Brown talks about what you are asking,
youtu.be...

The dreamer is here to find harmony within himself because no one wants to listen to an out of tune tune. When the harmony is found 'within', this dream is a dream and not a nightmare. You are the instrument life is played on and you are the hearer of the tune.

reply to post by ErroneousDylan


ok, this is my 2nd go at replying... I backed out to actually read some of your OP, but once again after just the 2nd paragragh, I hit reply, so I'm going with it. here is my orginal copied post, and my follow up.

"Sorry I only took the time to read the first few sentences of your OP, I quickly scrolled down and came across the words 'panic disorder & anxiety'.

then I hit reply...

I'm 36yo, and in Dec 2011 I had a heart attack"

so then, back to my point...

My stay at the hospital, I was told some interesting things. In the ER, my EKG was 'concerningly unusual', that the voltage I was producing was higher than what is 'normal' and that it spiked when moving. Later Ultrasounds/EKG showed the same thing, and they attributed it to my slender build. Upon release I was told that it was a non-cardic related chest pain(because they fond no damage to my heart). This last thing being strange to me, because felt I had a heart attack...

Within 24 hours I was experiencing the most crippling anxiety I can imagine...
Up to this point I had never experienced physical anxiety, or even major mentalanxiety, although I had social anxiety for about 20 years, I got over 90% of that long ago.
I had what felt like a weaker heart attack a week after my initial event. through use of the devil pills 'zoloft' I've managed to overcome weeks of intense anxiety and weaned myself off medication in less than 2 months.

Now, here we are 9 weeks later and I have noticed some peculiar things lately that all tie into this whole experience.

Since the day of my initial heart attack, years of being depressed were gone, I was happy and excited being in the ER. I do not attribute this to the Zoloft, because I was feeling that weight being gone before I started taking it. The Zoloft quickly got my anxiety under control(I still experience it but I dont fight it and I welcome the buzz these days)
I'm dreaming now... For most my life, I have rarely been able to recall my dreams, however as a teen, I experienced alot of deja vu(thinking I've had this dream). Now not only do I dream every time I fall asleep, having multiple and conclusive dreaming(where I return to a dream I had woken from), but I can also control actions and outcomes of my dream...
I've been able to meditate again... After spending about 6 years(14-20) practicing meditation, self hypnosis, even some past life regression, but mostly just relaxing, I stopped. I was able to relax still, but I just didn't meditate anymore(I started checking out the exterior world at that point). However, I noticed about 4-5 years ago I wasn't even able to relax anymore. My mind was racing so much during those years that I couldn't focus and find center enough to relax. Fast forward to now and not only do I find myself able to relax again, meditate into a beta state, control my dreams, but a few times, during the week, at night I have been able to generate a field of sort(something I had never done before).

I found an interesting series called 'Spirit Science'. It has like 14-15 ten or so minute clips for the first season, and they are already 4 episodes into season 2 as of late January.


I can't help but feel these things are all related somehow, especially since I wholehearted feel that I have been functioning at a different frequency since Dec 2011...

I'm hoping my post isn't far from what you are addressing in the OP. after writing all this it only seens fair to read the thread hehe

Originally posted by ErroneousDylan

Some would say this is becoming "enlightened" to wake up from this dream, and that we can obtain this state through meditation, prayer, worship, etc. Perhaps if we connect to this "God" or Universal energy it would give us some context to snap to?

I am very skeptic of that though. It seems like it would be an impossibility to wake up from a dream to a higher reality of which one has no context of.

Thoughts?

recently I discovered for myself that the universe that we live in was created by an infinite amount of engery. This energy is the living consciousness of every particle of matter. All matter experiences life, and as humans we consider this the mind, spirit, soul, etc etc Dreaming and meditation are the same thing as far as state of mind is concerned. In this state, you decide the physics, you can literally create your own world. A new reality as long as you can maintain that state of mind. By realizing this as a simple truth, you have taken one step closer to "this "God" or Universal energy" allowing you to achieve ever more control. If you were able to change the frequency of your thoughts indefinately, you could live in this dream realm forever.

The mind is your biggest enemy. It tries to rationalize your feelings and deny your instinct. Once you are able to control your mind, you can not only effect change but also go with the flow.

This so called up comng change that everyone is talking about... If it was to happen on an universal level, wouldn't you want to be able to go with it? Wouldn't now be the time to get in touch with this energy, maybe before its too late?

Originally posted by foreshadower99
It's good to question for your own safety.
But we shouldn't delve into things that
will cause us depression, some times staying
ignorant about few things will help us to
stay alive. We definitely have something in
common that is linking us together all the time,
and the same as you I have dreams, lucid dreams,
vibrations in my body created through intense emotions
though I do believe dreams my be some kind of a portal
that we constantly have to travel through to keep us
human and not like those who simply hate.

Please do carry on your quest cause we live to find a
purpose in life, always.

I can't recall the number of people that have told me they were happier not knowing the things I know. I stopped talking about it so much to avoid making people feel that way. However, since I have already opened up the door myself, I am going to turn on as many lights as I can and check things out for myself.

Check out the '100 monkey test' Basically they gave monkeys on a remote asian island sweet potato, but they dropped them in dirt making the monkeys dislike eating them. Soon the young monkeys started washing the potatos off and eating them clean. The older moneys resisted this. Over the years as the moneys aged, eventually they all washed their potatos off before eating them. Testing other remote islands and even the mainland, they found that the moneys of that species all over had begun washing off their potatos. the scientist then went on to apply this test to humans and got an interesting result. Check it out...

the vibrations of the universe could be changing. by harnessing our ability to enter the alternate states achieved during sleep/meditation/astral travel, we will have an easier time keeping up with the universal change we are going through.

The problem lies in the ELITE! lol all kidding aside, there are people trying to control us. Money, royalty, religion all play to our fears to maintain control. Most things we are taught about history is a lie. Most things we are taught about religion is a lie. 13 families control 90%+ of the worlds money. They don't want us prepared.

Originally posted by ErroneousDylan

Originally posted by ooYODAoo
reply to post by ErroneousDylan

 

the way to wake up?

death...

ironic isnt it?

I can believe that. I have heard many people say that. When you die, you finally wake up.

However, I have also heard of people "waking up" while still on this Earth plane. I can't say this is true though. Just what I have read and been told.

Waking up is realization of the souls true nature. Whether it be with your death or through self awareness.

I fully believe in reincarnation. I have experienced past lives in this spiritual reality, so for me it is very real.

People need to lose their mind to discover the truth, the hard part is getting it back under control. Once you do this, you allow your heart and instinct to guide you more than your mind. This is the awakening people are experiencing.

Originally posted by Gap77
The dreamphase is where our soul is wandering on the spiritual planes of conscious. There are different levels of planes, but i do not know how many. Each person has ofcourse their own conscious planes they wander on.

This world we live as we call reality is where we learn about life through experiences. We only do what we want to do and in how much our surroundings are letting us do what we want to do.

To wake up is to be aware of not our higher conscious, but that what is higher then our conscious. As in God.

Once we where seed, then we became human and is the next step the soul ?

If you would live in a dream, then you do not want to wake up, if you would live in a nightmare, then you cant wait to wake up. The place you are in is you are choosing to either stay asleep in your dream, or wake up to the real reality that is life.

It's the blue pill or red pill for you!

Infinite energy of consciousness
Infinite Universe
Infinite levels of reality

the frequency we currently experience is our physical reality. adjusting this frequency gives us the dreamphase. this frequency goes infinitely higher and lower than any we have expierienced *with the mind

I'd like my pill to have swirls of colors with rays of light eminating from it

I once had a dream that i was in a room i looked around then walked out side and then told myself I have never been here then i relized i was dreaming so i woke up in to another dream i got up from bed and said wow that was a wried dream, but then i woke up once more. that was different but i think something i can work on and see where it takes me. now with questioning reality i can go on forever but i think its easier then we think.