Santorum wants more fracking!!!

reply to post by dbates



I absolutely ABHOR the subtle ways the BNN uses psychological 'tricks' to try to marginalize or ridicule people, places, or things. Perfect example of one right there. Did he mention anything about this subject when you heard him speak?

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein

Originally posted by crazyray


Well, aside from being a loon...this guy comes out and comes off as??? MORE OF A LOON. Can we expect an explosion of hydrofracking if he wins??? Wonder how long til the New Madrid goes then? LOL. God, this is nuts.

He even dismisses the chemicals and whatnot used in the process. DOES HE EVEN KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT?!?!? Prob not. It's like he's reading the talking points verbatim. Who writes his stuff?



www.cbsnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

Do you know what you are talking about?? I think not......The chemicals and "whatnot" you are referring to are in the ground yes, but completely surrounded by a cement casing....

You know that if one single drop of fresh water is dropped onto the ground on a frac site, there must be an incident report filed and EPA called in??

But let me guess, you don't trust the EPA is honest either right? The EPA hangs around on Frac sites all the time to test water samples and local water to ensure there is no damage done, yet here you are in your "expert" opinion stating that Santorum is a "LOON".....

Want to see a real "LOON".....Look in the mirror my friend, don't argue something just to argue when you have no facts....

Yes, actually i do have some idea of the rules and regs. But thanks for the attack off the bat. So if i spill a single drop of water out of my Hinkley and Schmidt Bottle, there's a federal case? Seriously, have you been on a construction or any industrial site ever?
You. Are. Saying. The. EPA. Is. Honest?? Not sure if trolling...

Facts were quoted above in regards to the chemicals used. Cement casings are totally withstanding that pressure and never a DROP, EVER spills out. EVER. Dont speak in absolutes, my friends. You can't back those up with facts. I gave both facts and personal experiences.

Santorum wants more fracking

OMG at first I thought that said something else ... gotta' get my mind out of the gutter! Anyways, don't worry about it. He won't be POTUS. Won't happen. Romney (the white Obama) is still going to get the republican nomination.

Originally posted by Aeons
Your personal opinion needs some facts to back it up.

As to non-compliance with nuclear - there is a difference between
"your sign is pink when it should be blue" or
"the weeds are too long here" and
"your radioactive material is seeping out of the building."

Your personal opinion needs some facts it seems, nothing in these misses about "pink" signs or "tall grass"
"Nuclear plants in the United States last year experienced at least 14 "near misses," serious failures in which safety was jeopardized, at least in part, due to lapses in oversight and enforcement by US nuclear safety regulators, says a new report." www.csmonitor.com...

reply to post by Tw0Sides


Lack of enforcement. Regulations without enforcement are useless. I agree with you.

You are serious about regulation, and you blame companies for it. When really, you should blame your governments for not being serious about how they managing your resources and proper enforcement.

Proper enforcement is our bureaucracies job.

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SOMEONE FINALLY GOT THE JOKE!!!! star for you!

reply to post by crazyray


Nice list.

And....

Originally posted by Aeons
[You are serious about regulation, and you blame companies for it. When really, you should blame your governments for not being serious about how they managing your resources and proper enforcement.

Proper enforcement is our bureaucracies job.

I agree 100% with the above quote.
Which is why I posted Earlier that having the proper Regs, doesn't mean they will be implemented.
The regs eat time, and money.

Two things these companies don't want.

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein

Do you know what you are talking about?? I think not......The chemicals and "whatnot" you are referring to are in the ground yes, but completely surrounded by a cement casing....

The bore holes are sealed in concrete, but there is no guarantee of the quality of that casing. A poor casing allows chemicals to leech into the surrounding areas. It's no secret that oil companies cut corners to increase profits. We all remember what happened in the Gulf.

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by Tw0Sides

 

So what? You put in the regs, and enforcement and lock their wells out if they don't comply with the regulations.

It is that simple.

Proper casing and cement procedures, and knowledgeable geophyicists / geologists can help you map out the underground formations and determine which ones are too close to the groundwater.

you mean like they did to BP in the gulph?

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by crazyray

 

Nice list.

And....

While the existence of the toxic wastes has been reported, thousands of internal documents obtained by The New York Times from the Environmental Protection Agency, state regulators and drillers show that the dangers to the environment and health are greater than previously understood.

The documents reveal that the wastewater, which is sometimes hauled to sewage plants not designed to treat it and then discharged into rivers that supply drinking water, contains radioactivity at levels higher than previously known, and far higher than the level that federal regulators say is safe for these treatment plants to handle.

Other documents and interviews show that many E.P.A. scientists are alarmed, warning that the drilling waste is a threat to drinking water in Pennsylvania. Their concern is based partly on a 2009 study, never made public, written by an E.P.A. consultant who concluded that some sewage treatment plants were incapable of removing certain drilling waste contaminants and were probably violating the law.

SOURCE: www.nytimes.com...

*-sounds of blowing smoke from a gun*-


And who was the guy who said trust the EPA?!?!? Come on guys, you're losing.

reply to post by crazyray


Actually you attacked Santorum for his beliefs (which I don't like Santorum anyways) but nonetheless, you talk about chemicals, which might be a factor if there isn't testing done in every site's public water supply at the end of each job and has to be formally tested in a lab for results!

Yes I have tons of backround in Fracking, and I live in PA which just happens to be where the Marcellus boom is so I myself am very enlightened on the topic at hand.

I did not say a federal case is warranted from a spill of fresh water, but an incident report must be filed and submitted to records and EPA for record keeping......Yes if you spill your Aquafina water on the ground, this must be done 100% of the time!!

As for trolling, come on.....That is the typical defense for someone who sees facts that someone writes in a post, and doesn't know what to say in return....He must be a troll...Burn him at the cross....COME ON!!

The cement casing does keep the chemicals from entering the ground, now having said that....Do you know how much fresh water is combined with these chemicals to make the right mixture?? NOPE!!

There are millions of gallons of water per stage of each well combined with the chemicals to produce the exact reaction needed.....Example....Go to a lake (let's imagine this lake is fresh water with nothing in it at all) put one of your so called "harmful" chemicals in this lake and go to the middle of that lake and drink it.....There will be no damage to you at all, it would be just like drinking fresh water.....There is a dilution process involved in the lake as well as out on frac jobs.

I just think there are multiple issues going on in this country that merit more attention than something that has not been proven to harm anyone at all.....Being that there have been around 30 wells very close to my house all using these "deadly" chemicals, and my water has been tested....Nothing at all....Go figure!!

End of rant.....

Everything you just said shows that there is bad regulation. Which considering the gigantic ridiculous hodge-podge the US has doesn't surprise me.

I agree - you don't know what you are doing, and you don't have consistent regulation and your enforcment sucks. Fix it.

There are ways of dealing with waste water. Of them, re-injection is one of the best. Finding isolated empty resevoir rock for storage, or old depleted resevoirs would probably be a good place to put it.

reply to post by Kaploink


That Gulf oil spill can be directly blamed on BP themselves!! Halliburton proved that they told BP what casing should have been used, yet BP declined because of money!! The people fracking the jobs actually do know what is going on and how to do their job correctly.....Just because an incident happens, everyone wants to point the finger at the company involved in the Fracking part and not look at facts that were stated at that time...

Originally posted by LittleBlackEagle

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by Tw0Sides

 

So what? You put in the regs, and enforcement and lock their wells out if they don't comply with the regulations.

It is that simple.

Proper casing and cement procedures, and knowledgeable geophyicists / geologists can help you map out the underground formations and determine which ones are too close to the groundwater.

you mean like they did to BP in the gulph?

No. The drilling in the Gulf is ridiculous. You have abandonned leaking holes, bad drilling, poor casing.....

The freaking wild west.

I saw a picture of a science ship bringing up cores from the methane deposits, and then "testing" them for H2S....with a HAND measurement tool. Seriously?!? WTF?

So no...not like the Gulf. A little sense - it is something that is apparently in short supply.

RICK SANTORUM IS A FRACKING CYLON!!!!!

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articles.businessinsider.com...
scrantonpoliticaltimes.activeboard.com...
I googled Fracking accidents in Pa, this is just top 4 hits, want about 20 more?

reply to post by Chrisfishenstein


Chris I'll disagree with you...in Dimrock PA the gas companies have a quiet settlement with the local's whose water they totally trashed. It's been downplayed. Williamsport and area are the east coast's new Canadian Tar Sands. The open pit fracking fluid ponds are stunning. But out of sight out of mind right?

crazyray thank you for being all over this with facts. Santorium never did know what he was talking about which is why here in PA he was voted out and couldn't even get a Congressman's gig. Why would anyone vote for our states loser has been beyond us.

Crazyray look into how much of PA Gov. Rendell gave away for pennies on the dollar. Look into the lack of oversight by both the state and feds on Fracking sites. The state hires anyone inspectors/DEP Mining office personel based on state test scores, not geo-petro-chemical backrounds.

So Chris who is also assuming qualified people were in place for this gas boom, or hired for it is erronous. Until recently the used fracking fluid was legally being discharged in the Mon river. It wasn't till last yr it had to at least be filtered before release.....up river of Pgh's main water intakes.
YUMMMMMM......

None of this is in the media, and when a reporter picks it up it's minimized. No suprise....what would suprise eveyone is the entire northern tier of the State is being destroyed. This is one of the reason's rt 80 did not become a toll rd. A lot of companies trucks need it. To facilitate the gas-boom.

These reasons and more is why NY put a stop to fracking for now, The companies AREN'T responsible, the oversight isn't in place and it's going on way out in the boonies out of the public's view.

Crazyray please keep digging.....you're nailing it so far.

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by LittleBlackEagle

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by Tw0Sides

 

So what? You put in the regs, and enforcement and lock their wells out if they don't comply with the regulations.

It is that simple.

Proper casing and cement procedures, and knowledgeable geophyicists / geologists can help you map out the underground formations and determine which ones are too close to the groundwater.

you mean like they did to BP in the gulph?

No. The drilling in the Gulf is ridiculous. You have abandonned leaking holes, bad drilling, poor casing.....

The freaking wild west.

I saw a picture of a science ship bringing up cores from the methane deposits, and then "testing" them for H2S....with a HAND measurement tool. Seriously?!? WTF?

So no...not like the Gulf. A little sense - it is something that is apparently in short supply.

that's the point, our govt has none and will have none on fracking, like they have none on radioactive waste cleanup and the plethora other other toxic sites we've made, but the regs had good intentions. lulz

reply to post by crazyray


It looks like you pasted several formulations together and think all of this is in one fomulation.