The Miraculous NASA Breakthrough That Could Save Millions of Lives

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and hen chuck in an obscene and utterly pointless insult

Every time you call me "matty" you insult me and you know it. So suck it up chicken head.

I've tried to treat you with common courtesy and respect in the past. You continued to disrespect me in your posts. As far as I'm concerned you deserve ZERO respect from me.

I find it funny that you chose to respond to my post in this thread. Seems you're one of those creepy internet stalker types. What's the matter your usual forum is boring tonight? You decide to come over here to bait me into one of your usual pointless arguments?


As far as this technology I don't see it being a good thing. Doctor often misdiagnose patients these days. What make you think an automated implant can diagnose problems better?

Originally posted by MathiasAndrewWhat make you think an automated implant can diagnose problems better?

The doctors know what kind of person they are implanting, they are implanting something beforehand to stave off the effects of a likely ailment. In this case it's radiation.

The implant does not diagnose, it merely doses. It's not the decision maker in the process, the decision of diagnosis is the expectation it might be needed.

While of course you are talking about a wider variety of treatments, right now the discussion of astronauts having this available is for a known ailment of radiation sickness. You'd expect the FDA to study the effects of other treatments when it comes to approving this implant for use in those treatments.

It would not work for all ailments, however the implant is not a doctor and it is implanted on demand for different ailments, rather than say it is a shotgun blast of cures for a variety of ailments it seeks to be one type of treatment.

The automated implant does not diagnose, it stands by to deliver doses.

You all are discussing the wrong issue, Minituration is the key. Smaller "implants", Smaller "processors".

Originally posted by Sachyriel

Google's 'Solve For X' might be a good place for you to get those ideas off your chest so they can be of some use to humanity.

Thanks - I will definitely check this out. Maybe I can save the world lol.



Back to topic: The miraculous concept needs more data before I can further speculate.
I'll just say, I'm very weary of anything the government wants to put in us.

Originally posted by Sachyriel

The Miraculous NASA Breakthrough That Could Save Millions of Lives

gizmodo.com

Picture this: An astronaut is going to Mars. The round-trip journey will take between two and three years. During that time, the astronaut will not have access to a doctor, and there's a lot that can go wrong with the human body in space. So, prior to launch, the astronaut is implanted with a number of NASA Biocapsules. A very small incision is made in the astronaut's skin for each Biocapsule (probably in the thigh), which is implanted subcutaneously.

(visit the link for the full news article)

...and with human MIND.

So, what if those astronauts become disobedient during the travel?

What if it is true that further from Earth astronauts get in touch with their suppressed intelligence and stop obeying?

At first glance I thought this is like some kind of emergency medical unit which will automatically cure certain ailments possible to occur, but then I realized this is like those collars attached to paroled convicts.

Perhaps there is a capsule of cyanide embedded in one of those?

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

and hen chuck in an obscene and utterly pointless insult

Every time you call me "matty" you insult me and you know it. So suck it up chicken head.

When did I call you Matty in this thread?

I've tried to treat you with common courtesy and respect in the past.

That's a joke - here's a typical comment you've made about me - www.abovetopsecret.com...

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I would say that's a pretty accurate description of you.

Why are you trying to derail this thread?

Please try to stay on topic, I don't have any desire to get into any personal arguments with you here.

If you want to argue about off topic BS send it in a U2U.

My apologies to the OP

Originally posted by DangerDeath...and with human MIND.

So, what if those astronauts become disobedient during the travel?

What if it is true that further from Earth astronauts get in touch with their suppressed intelligence and stop obeying?

At first glance I thought this is like some kind of emergency medical unit which will automatically cure certain ailments possible to occur, but then I realized this is like those collars attached to paroled convicts.

Perhaps there is a capsule of cyanide embedded in one of those?

edit on 9-2-2012 by DangerDeath because: (no reason given)

It has been speculated that an astronauts life is worth something like 50 million dollars because of the training and the fact you're strapping them to a gigantic rocket. Normal, feet-on-the-ground human life isn't even more than 10 million dollars to the Environmental Protection Agency, it's called the Value of Statistical Life.

I think you're looking in the wrong place for a 'kill switch' on an Astronaut, they're not implanting them with cyanide capsules.

I do not think anything mystical happens the farther you get away from the Earths gravitational well, and while I've never been outside of it there is no evidence to support the fanciful theory that someone 'becomes more free' because they are a certain distance from mission control.

Haha yeah the guy is not getting microchipped, but instead is going to a underwater tank with a fake mars and solar system to pre record the flight to release video at a decided date, then hes gonna take 2 years vacation on a remote island paid by your very own government

Originally posted by Sachyriel
However I would also like to submit that this does indeed represent a stepping stone to a cybernetic way of life that poses a threat to the traditionally ignorant superstitions that religion is based upon. It would be common for those who are ignorant of science to be afraid of new technologies like this if they are suspicious of those in power. I'd actually like to point out being religious does not imply ignorance and superstitious as a fault, it is merely a symptom.

gizmodo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

What I find ignorant is the implied assumption you made that anyone who opposes the "cybernetic way of life" is opposed because of "traditionally ignorant superstitions that religion is based upon". Also there is an implied insinuation that if you oppose the "cybernetic way of life" you are "ignorant of science and afraid of new technologies".

I am neither religious nor superstitious, I understand science well and I am opposed to the “cybernetic way of life”…

I am not afraid of science as it has its place and is very useful, however I understand science well enough to know that the arrogance/agendas/bias of man corrupts true science and thus rarely if ever, do we see “real science”…

I have a question. Why is it that whenever science makes a discovery or a claim, science apparently ignores the exploration of possible negative consequences of the USE of that discovery? I rarely read of the conceived consequences or effects of scientific discoveries but just how “awesome” the discovery is.

This is concerning because in a way its only half of the story from people whose sole purpose is to get “the whole story” before making “conclusions” and “claims”.

In a sense its lying by omission, and I hate liers.

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I don't see how implanting NASA chips into an astronaut destined for a 2-3 year trip to Mars IS GOING TO save millions of lives.

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Er, what do you think NASA does at Kirtland, and who they do it for?
check this out-www.kirtland.af.mil...
They put top secret satellites and what ever else in orbit there. Often.
NASA is a government agency just same as the Dept of Education is.

Originally posted by Aliensun
That is one of the most least documented "science" stories that I've ever read, and I don't believe a shred of it,

I attempted to check with Wikipedia, nada. I looked at two pages of Google entries, mostly all crap sites we have never heard of which makes me think it has been seeded.

I believe this article is a hoax. if not,it is very poorly done. .

It's no hoax. They show a biocapsule being made at NASA Ames Research Center in this documentary:

Biocapsule part starts at 46:12

But Sir what about the cancer patients on earth and those suffering from radiation in Japan and other areas ? Sir Sir Sir!!!!!

One of the primary threats in space is exposure to high levels of radiation. When astronauts travel beyond Low Earth Orbit (i.e., to the Moon or Mars), they are at risk of acute radiation exposure from "solar particle events," sudden releases of intense radiation from the sun, which can damage bone marrow and wipe out someone's immune system. That's where the NASA Biocapsule kicks in: It could be filled with cells that sense the increased levels of radiation and automatically disperse medicine to help the body compensate. This isn't science fiction. We already use a hormone called G-CSF (Granulocyte colony-stimulating factor) to treat cancer patients who are receiving radiation treatment. So it was a very small jump to put these cells in a capsule. Without G-CSF, an astronaut's immune system might not recover; he or she could die of a massive infection.

What a croc of %$*& really. If they are stating this yet have allowed countless people die they should be held accountable imho

Originally posted by Skywatcher2011
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I don't see how implanting NASA chips into an astronaut destined for a 2-3 year trip to Mars IS GOING TO save millions of lives.

It can be used instead of the regularly scheduled insulin shots diabetics have to take, this idea was floated in the video I think, but would still be a long way off.

Originally posted by jazz10What a croc of %$*& really. If they are stating this yet have allowed countless people die they should be held accountable imho

Erm, no they can't be held accountable this is breakthrough science, not ready for the mass market. This isn't something they can stick in anyone, it's a preventative measure they're working on. The progress on this breakthrough is to deliver medicine when needed, because it's already in a person. You can't stick it in those who are already poisoned from radiation and expect them to get better; not only is the biocapsule designed with preventative care in mind it's more akin to a surgery than a mere needle every now and then.

Please think about what you're saying before spouting off an opinion that holds no basis in fact. They are not accountable for anyones death anymore than the inventor of blood transfusion can be held accountable for the deaths of those who could have used a blood transfusion before it was invented.

Originally posted by Sly1one

Originally posted by Sachyriel
However I would also like to submit that this does indeed represent a stepping stone to a cybernetic way of life that poses a threat to the traditionally ignorant superstitions that religion is based upon. It would be common for those who are ignorant of science to be afraid of new technologies like this if they are suspicious of those in power. I'd actually like to point out being religious does not imply ignorance and superstitious as a fault, it is merely a symptom.

gizmodo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

What I find ignorant is the implied assumption you made that anyone who opposes the "cybernetic way of life" is opposed because of "traditionally ignorant superstitions that religion is based upon". Also there is an implied insinuation that if you oppose the "cybernetic way of life" you are "ignorant of science and afraid of new technologies".

I am neither religious nor superstitious, I understand science well and I am opposed to the “cybernetic way of life”…

I am not afraid of science as it has its place and is very useful, however I understand science well enough to know that the arrogance/agendas/bias of man corrupts true science and thus rarely if ever, do we see “real science”…

I have a question. Why is it that whenever science makes a discovery or a claim, science apparently ignores the exploration of possible negative consequences of the USE of that discovery? I rarely read of the conceived consequences or effects of scientific discoveries but just how “awesome” the discovery is.

This is concerning because in a way its only half of the story from people whose sole purpose is to get “the whole story” before making “conclusions” and “claims”.

In a sense its lying by omission, and I hate liers.

edit on 9-2-2012 by Sly1one because: (no reason given)

Uhm, no I said people who are traditionally religious might be opposed to a cybernetic way of life.

If you're opposed to a cybernetic way of life with a scientific reason to be wary, then go ahead and discuss that in the context of this new breakthrough.

If you're just going to stand there and hate me you can do that too. It's not my choice.

LL

so much for denying ignorance:

fact: carbon nanotubes are not natural

fact: carbon nanotubes are not found in any kind of living creature.

fact: carbon nanotubes are so frikkin new that there are no studies [that i am aware of ] showing the effects of implanting in the human body, or whether they'd be able to last 2 or 3 years of cooking in human juices,
possible toxicity...i mean i could go on and on and on, unless as i've begun to suspect, gitmo, abu gharib and the other black prisons are really neo-nazi concentration camps and those incarcerated in that system are being experimented on.

fact: implanting these in astronauts and sending them away for 3 years would be criminal
you can bet any guinea pigs will have signed a pallet-full of waivers

funny how the transhumanists applaud these "advances", never mind the literal human sacrifices involved
and they never offer themselves up as guinea pigs oh noooo that's for the fleshies, lol.

for them 2 quotes:

Despisers of the body, are not bridges to the Superman
-Nietzsche-

The Human Body is the Ultimate Chariot of Chaos
-Chaoist Principle-

Found this article and study today.

Seems relevant to this thread.

Article

An under-the-skin microchip device that releases drugs has been tested in humans for the first time.

The study - published in the Feb. 16 issue of Science Translational Medicine - involved eight postmenopausal women with osteoporosis. The microchip-based device containing osteoporosis treatment was implanted in these women for four months and wirelessly programmed to release doses of the medicine once a day for 20 days.

Did it work?

Tests showed the daily releases from the device increased bone formation without any toxic or negative consequences. The women said the implant did not have an impact on their quality of life.

Abstract

I always laugh at all the people who would not get microchipped in any way.

But i bet most if not all would get a implanted pacemaker, defibrillator, insulin pump ECT if they needed one.

Who would know if the government had chips in those.