"purpose" of existance?

I was just reading over an old thread where an ATS member invited speculation on the purpose of existence - which got me thinking. (oh nooooooooooooo!)

If there is an ultimate purpose to it all, why are we not all going in the same direction?

The "ultimate purpose" must (I assume) transcend socio-political/economic goals? (although I know an aspirant immortal who insists that he has a socio/economic goal to achieve iduring his Haflick-busting lifespan).

If there is a meaning to life can we ever agree what it is or will our perception forever be clouded by the social and religious norms of our geographic region? Will mankind ever manage to outgrow Conan's ideals? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women"

Thoughts please ...

i've always thought our purpose is to just reproduce and continue our evolution, personal goals are just that, personal.

Love loving
Regret regretting
Live life
For the meaning of life is what you meant to do....

reply to post by Maxine1969


Just because we have an ultimate purpose, does not mean we are automatically fulfilling that purpose.

Ultimate purpose does not mean ultimate destiny. There is a huge difference between being meant for something and being destined for something.

You can be meant to cook, but end up as a dishwasher instead. But if you are DESTINED to be a cook, no matter what you do, you will end up cooking.

Of course, because we are driven one way and another by society and culture and government and whatnot, we may have a purpose...we are just confused as to what it is.

Have fun figuring it out.

There will never be an agreement as to what our purpose is or what the meaning of life is. We as humans are all subject to our own preconceived notions as to what is most important, be that money, happiness, helping others or what have you. The only reality that matters is the reality that you believe in and subject yourself to. This goes back to the old debate, if there is a chair in the room with you when you leave is the chair still there, is the room still there? Or let’s take the turn of phrase "I think therefore I am” I could then turn that and say, you think because I Think you Think. Philosophically speaking the only reality is that I am real; I have little to no proof that you, this room around me, the computer I am typing on is nothing more than a figment of my imagination.

But I ramble it has been a good long wile since I had a good debate over philosophy

Thank you and good day/night depending on your location in this universe.

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May some one please help this man

Hes begun to recognize, the "scene" does not quite fit, get me "sector 7" now we need a anal brain difusion, hair shot baer guns to wipe his mindbox

reply to post by Maxine1969

Good question. Asking that means you are searching for the answer to the ultimate question of life the Universe and everything...but lets not go there.

I have a parallel facsimile if you are interested. Its like searching the whole world, every continent far and wide, up and down, until you find a diamond. Or a nugget of Gold. Of all the rocks and hills and stream beds everywhere, that is your quest. To find where there lay the fine gems and valuable nuggets. Then figure out how they found to become that and follow suit. Over simplified to be sure...

We are pets for the Earth, when she get's bored with us she will trade us in for new models.

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"I think therefore I am" ( Rene Descartes) Very good analogy so far you have given the most interesting answer and I whole heartedly agree with your reasoning.

The fact of the matter is one should determine their own ultimate purpose whilst functioning coherently with their fellow man by respecting the multitude of different definitions towards existence.

Just by standing at different angles whilst viewing the same object can vastly change both parties perspective on the object so it would come to no surprise that people will always have different opinions about existence and therefore trying to group an 'ultimate purpose' for all of man kind is futile.

Culture,upbringing,religious/spiritual influence, educational levels, objective/subjective experiences are some of the many various factors that influence individual mindsets which intern determine individual ideals and principles.

Whether we like it or not we are the masters to our own destiny and the very thing that makes us so unique in the natural world (cognitive thinking) will keep it that way. I for one like to marvel at the mysteries whilst enjoying the little things.

Your purpose or objective in life is to figure out just what the heck is going on. Most people never figure it out.

If you fail to figure it out, your punishment is to be reincarnated HERE IN HELL until you figure it out.

reply to post by Maxine1969


I once heard an interesting idea from Tibetan Buddhism...

At the most basic level of humanity you strive to not hurt others and do good deeds
(this allows a better life next time, as in a better reincarnation)

At the next level you strive to know yourself and help yourself and others to not hurt people and do good deeds.
(Teaching others is a great Karma and allows an even better incarnation)

And the highest level is to meditate and attempt to reach Enlightenment in this lifetime, while also teaching others and doing good deeds, etc.

I think it was an idea from Vajrayana Tibetan Buddhism but it's been a while - not sure on that.

The purpose of life is an experience, not an idea.

We look for meaning as a metaphorical "item" or as an intangible reality, when in reality it is our essence. Our essence is meaning in itself.

If we look into Buddhism for an answer we see that attaining Nirvana is the only way to be purpose. We may catch glimpses of this state of mind/body/spirit in the form of epiphanies or even in Deja Vu. It's that moment were we feel apart of something.

In certain meditation techniques you can force this state with the lack of not trying. To let go of pain/discomfort/hunger. Which, in reality, are wants or ego-enforced needs.

(not to go to far off subject, but in many forms the most basic of buddist teachings is to not want, without want there is not death, hunger, strife, humility, ego, etc. There is the concept of duality that is constantly repeated in Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism and other philosophies; that is very similar to the ying-yang. In not wanting you achieve Nirvana or Transcendence and in this form we find purpose, we become one with the universe. See God Kai)

reply to post by Maxine1969


To be tortured and beaten down into the ground until you're finally disgusted, broken down, and homicidal, or suicidal???

Cause that's what I am feeling is the "Purpose" of this HELL!

reply to post by ldyserenity


you name becomes ironic after that last post. j/k, kinda

Originally posted by wishful1gnorance
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you name becomes ironic after that last post. j/k, kinda

Well I was serene until the universe decided to just rip everything apart that has to do with even 1/10th of a bit of happiness I could have had in this life!!!! One of my closest friends die of cancer, my children's father meets a frikking buttugly chick online and is leaving me (After 18 yrs) after selling the house from under me, oh and the vehicle, oh and wait it gets better...this idiot won't get out fast enough but tortures me on a daily basis putting me down about how I treated him (HAHAHAHA) and by talking/texting and facebooking the scarlet letter all frikking day....so I think it's safe to say I wish death would come for me tomorrow, no scratch that tonight!

reply to post by ldyserenity


well, if you find true serenity, none of that would matter. It'll pass. Life moves forward and I'm sure your children will enjoy it moving forward with you, especially alot more so than without you. Keep you chin up.

Originally posted by ldyserenity

Originally posted by wishful1gnorance
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you name becomes ironic after that last post. j/k, kinda

Well I was serene until the universe decided to just rip everything apart that has to do with even 1/10th of a bit of happiness I could have had in this life!!!! One of my closest friends die of cancer, my children's father meets a frikking buttugly chick online and is leaving me (After 18 yrs) after selling the house from under me, oh and the vehicle, oh and wait it gets better...this idiot won't get out fast enough but tortures me on a daily basis putting me down about how I treated him (HAHAHAHA)

and by talking/texting and facebooking the scarlet letter all frikking day....so I think it's safe to say I wish death would come for me tomorrow, no scratch that tonight!

edit on 7-2-2012 by ldyserenity because: spelling

Apart from that how are you feeling
You never know what is around the next corner - no forget I said that
Hope a little light humour helps
Sorry to hear of your woes X

reply to post by ldyserenity

Damn, I'd be pissed too. Let it all hang out. The worst things on this planet are perpetrated by those with unresolved anger. So get mad, talk about it, type about it. Don't let them other schmucks drag you down with them. They ain't worth it. To pull you down to their level is what they want. If he harasses you again just make funny faces (and smile). This too shall pass.

In my humble opinion the purpose of human life is to go back to your original home in heaven again. To do that you must cultivate your heart and your body. Only then can you transcend this dimension and go back home to your original birthplace in a higher dimension.

I personally cultivate mind and body in Falun Dafa Qi Gong which is a revolutionary high-level cultivation form in ordinary society. By assimilating oneself to Truthfulness-Compassion-Tolerance in daily life while practicing the physical exercises with meditation, you will finally succeed and become enlightened. Of course, the first step is to let go of all emotions and desires in ordinary life.

Just my two cents, no truth can be offered.

We exist to live, but we should be living for God today, because soon this world will not remain, but God shall always and forever remain and live and with Him, all of those souls who chose Him, over the world.
For God has plans for His people and to all of those who sacrificed themselves for the Lord Jesus Christ, to live eternal!

The world as you all know it will be destroyed, all of the known modern world and of the societies, along with the global economy and ideals of men, and of demons.
(But the earth shall remain, only for a while!)

The truth of it all, is this: The earth, your physical bodies and everything that is made of matter and yes, even the heavens and all that's in them are all created by God, and it is all “artificial!” You are all participants of an artificial world, whither you knew it, or not, this is the truth of it all!
Almost all of the sons of men, from before till this day, believe this world to be real, but it's not real, it is only an "Artificial Device," for the creatures of God to dwell in!

The earth also works as a spiritual device or mechanism, to imprison the souls of the children of men till this day, who are all awaiting the day, of the “Great Judgment!”
There is a great division in the earthly spiritual realms and portals, inside this earth. When people die, their souls assemble therein.

The world population today is about seven billion, the most ever in human history, and by far the most inferior, sinful and the most “apostate generation ever in our known human history!”
(Sodom and Gomorrah in their time, did not add up to the sins committed in this age!)
You may ask yourselves, how and why is this possible, the destruction of the world?
(But you should already know this truth!)
It is because of the governing bodies of this world, and of the systematic brain washing and human conditioning of the modern societies, education and religion ideals and theories on man throughout the years, both formal and present, that are causing this evil to happen on the earth!

Man was not created to be institutionalized,
especially through a systems of falsehoods and lies!

Institutions today are all programed secretly to deceive and imprison the minds of the common people, with lies from their governments and world leaders and secret societies, thus keeping the people from knowing the truth!
The manipulation of the worlds education and rewritten human history has a profound impact on all the people. Beginning with the children in their youth and eventually leading them with lies as an adult of a “false pretense.” That when the child grows, it has come to believe that these teachings are true and therefore the individual accepts these ideas and then later on it's life, some of these people that have been deluded by deception, implore these ideas and views, passing them over to one generation to the next and so on.

The theories on human evolution are all wrong and are made to deceive the children at such a young age, eventually leading these ideas when they are adults. This is the origin of the great apostasy in this generation because of human ideas and imaginations, such as these!

If evolution where true, then the "Monkeys or the Apes," inside the public zoo's or in the wilderness, should be transforming or "evolutionarily," turning into man!
Any one who believes in this theory of human evolution, is extremely retarded and ignorant from the truth, because in no way is this theory correct or proven true! If this where true, we would have this day, “monkeys,” living side by side with human beings and going to school, showing up to the department of motor vehicles and driving cars and voting or even running for president in our society, but they don't!
(Apes and man are a separate and different species, not the same!)

All these theories, ideas and human imaginations and illusions are systematically thought, throughout human civilization, since the beginning of mankind, only to discredit and or to strip away the true faith of God's existence and omnipresence!
Now if you are wondering what does this have to do with the subject of the "End of the World," is this: The Lord God is furious because of these teachings and of the great falling away of mans faith from, the true origin and existence, of from where man came from, so therefore, the Creator of man shall deal with them ever so severely!

“Thus the approaching asteroid is but a sign from God Himself, for mankind's fall and of man's decline!”
"After the fall of this celestial object, the Governments Secret New World Order, shall commence everywhere in the world and they will "Eradicate Peace and Civil Rights" from the people and civilians, creating Martial Law and a Police State that shall be Enforced. A godless world of death and of human depopulation!

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