February 7th Primaries/Caucuses ( MN, CO, MO )

Today there are three States having primaries or caucuses. Thought I'd create a thread to discuss them and the results later tonight.

Also, I thought it would be a good idea to show the latest polling at what people should expect out of these states today.

Minnesota Republican Presidential Caucus

This is a non-binding open caucus with 40 delegates at stake. Caucuses start at 7pm CST

The current polling has Santorum out in front, followed by Romney, then Gingrich and then Paul. But it appears to be a very close race.

Colorado Republican Presidential Caucus

This is a non-binding closed caucus with 36 delegates at stake. Caucuses start at 7pm Mountain Time.

The current polling has Romney out in front by 10-14 points, followed by Santorum, then Gingrich and then Paul.

Missouri 2012 Presidential Preference Primary

This is a non-binding primary with 0 delegates at stake. Missouri will have a caucus on March 17th to award delegates. This is being called the Presidential "beauty contest" because the results mean nothing at all...it is really just a straw poll. Gingrich is not on the ballot in Missouri, so it will be interesting to see how the vote gets split up.

The current polling has Santorum out front with 45%, Romney with 32%, and Paul with 19%.
www.publicpolicypolling.com...





I'm sure it will be another late night waiting for votes to come in. But the big story today is Santorum...it looks like he could have a very big night. With the lead in Minnesota and Missouri...he is set to take 2 out of the 3 contests. If he can pull an upset in Colorado and sweep all three...the race will once again change.

Romney needs to hold onto Colorado and hold onto second in Minnesota. Since Missouri isn't awarding anything, it shouldn't hurt Romney much losing that.

Gingrich just seems like a non-factor today. He will probably take 2nd or 3rd in all three contests...but I don't think anyone is giving him much of a chance to actually win anywhere. The biggest story about Gingrich is that he isn't on the ballot in MO, so we get to se where his votes split out to.

Paul is polling in last place in all three contests today. His best chance for a good showing is in Minnesota. It is a caucus and it is open to everyone...both are positives for Paul. However, if he comes in last place in all 3 contests...where does he go from there? I think Paul needs to take at least 2nd in Minnesota to still be viewed as a somewhat serious candidate.


So that is what we have to look forward to today...it should be fun.

www.youtube.com...

These primaries and caucuses are all a joke, they have been rigged like everything else. Watch that video and tell me voter fraud is not possible in these caucuses. If Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, or Obama are President what good can possibly come? All I foresee in the near future (assuming Paul is overlooked) is a disastrous wave of apathy that will be the end of what little freedom is left in America.

And I know your a big anti-Paul guy, but seriously man, what other hope is there?

reply to post by Lapislazuli


I keep seeing people post this video as "proof" of voter fraud. All this shows is that voter fraud is possible...of course it is possible...many things are possible...it doesn't mean it is happening.

However, you shouldn't have to worry about what they are talking about in that video for today's caucuses...because they usually do it on paper ballots and by simply writing down someones name.

And yes, I'm fully aware that fraud is "possible" with paper ballots as well...but again, that doesn't mean it is happening.

All the polls have Ron Paul currently in last place...so if he finishes in last place in all 3 today, no one should be surprised.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

All this shows is that voter fraud is possible...of course it is possible...many things are possible...it doesn't mean it is happening.

Haven't you learned anything yet possibilities in America become reality. For you to say many things are possible and then say it's not happening? That is telling me your ignoring what is going on around you. I already know what is going to happen tonight the MSM will say Romney won before the results are projected on national television.

American Thinker

Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

All this shows is that voter fraud is possible...of course it is possible...many things are possible...it doesn't mean it is happening.

Haven't you learned anything yet possibilities in America become reality. For you to say many things are possible and then say it's not happening? That is telling me your ignoring what is going on around you. I already know what is going to happen tonight the MSM will say Romney won before the results are projected on national television.

American Thinker

edit on 7-2-2012 by KonquestAbySS because: (no reason given)

Is it "possible" that politicians are bribed and corrupt? I think we would all say yes.

Does that mean Ron Paul is corrupt and takes bribes???

Just because something is possible doesn't mean it is happening. It is illogical to think that just because something is possible that it is in fact happening.


And you should have a good idea of what is going to happen tonight...the polls give you insight into that.

Well there is a Conspiratorial view to take in regards to these polls.

Public Policy Polling is a Democratic Party affiliated polling firm. It was founded in 2001.

Does anyone else remember what was going on around that time period?

We had just come off the 2000 elections in which Fraud was claimed in the State of Florida which is the State that decided the Presidency which brought us President Bush.

The PPP's claim to fame came during the 2008 elections as a result of their accuracy in calling results between Obama and Hilary Clinton. They got a few wrong, but the list of wrong did not compare to the list of right.

It's an interesting story, and one that any conspiracy theorist could have a lot of fun with, but in the end it would be a lot of speculation and nothing you could actually prove.

reply to post by MrWendal


I prefer when there are multiple polling companies doing polls, but unfortunately that didn't happen this time.

So I actually won't be as surprised tonight if things don't fall exactly where the polling says as I would have in other states.

I honestly think Minnesota is anyones tonight. Ron Paul has a few things going for him up there...it's a caucus, it's an open caucus, and it's very cold so older people might not go out.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


OutKast, I'm fairly new and please do not take this personally, but I just have this question for you...

Are you open-minded?

To keep things in perspective:

www.boston.com...

Mitt Romney is not going to win every contest," Rich Beeson, the campaign's political director, wrote in a memo for public consumption. "John McCain lost 19 states in 2008, and we expect our opponents will notch a few wins, too," Beeson wrote. McCain, the Arizona senator, won the Republican nomination four years ago. In fact, Colorado and Minnesota were among the states that McCain failed to win, and he lost them to Romney.

McCain lost 19 STATES and still was the GOP nominee in 2008. It is too early to know what is going to happen in this election, but the media would like us to think that Romney pretty much has it in the bag. If there is a shred of legitimacy left to our elections (and that is highly doubtful), then the race has only just begun. I wish the media would stop shoving the likes of Romney down our throats.

Originally posted by spire
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

OutKast, I'm fairly new and please do not take this personally, but I just have this question for you...

Are you open-minded?

I am open to any and all possibilities.

But when it comes to reality...I'm only open minded as much as solid logic and facts allow me to be.

What drives me crazy is you have people putting all they have into their support of Ron Paul, which is fine. I completely support anyone's desire to support whichever candidate they choose, and Ron Paul supporters have no lack of energy. However, many of them also throw around voter fraud constantly.

You can't have it both ways unless you understand the concept of the self fulfilling prophesy. if you are a rabid supporter of Ron Paul, but also have no faith in the voting process, where does that leave you? Either Ron Paul wins and suddenly there is no voter fraud, or he loses and it must be because of fraud.

Why be so energetic in your support of the candidate if you have no faith in the legitimacy of the process? It's like having an undying devotion to a football team but assuming that every time they lose, it's a case of the game being rigged.

I live in Missouri and voted at 2:45 pm. I was voter number 75 at my precinct. That is a really light turnout. Today I found a Paul brochure on my front door handle (first one I've seen from any candidate) and there was only one sign at the polling place, a Ron Paul sign.

Gingrich wasn't on the ballot. Sanitorum is expecting to win here, but with low turnout Paul supporters may be in luck.

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady

Who did you vote for?

Just voted in MO. No other voters there when I got there, none while I was there, and none when I left. It was about 5:15 pm and the voting machine only showed a count of 52 in my precinct so very low voter turnout.

reply to post by Blueracer


I would expect there to be very low turnout in MO because today's vote means nothing.

MO will be having a caucus on March 17th that will determine delegates. I don't even know why they are having todays vote really.

Living in Minnesota, I know a surprisingly large number of people that are going out to vote for Ron Paul tonight.

I don't think he's going to take first place, but I'm fairly sure he'll do well!

reply to post by usernameconspiracy


Your analogy entirely excludes that the policies Dr. Paul holds to are diametrically opposed to those of the other candidates. The GOP has something to lose in his winning. There is, clearly, a conflict of interest on the part of big gov. In other words, you are excluding a glaring and fundamental factor in this issue (and I hope that is by weakness rather than by agenda).

Originally posted by Lapislazuli
www.youtube.com...

These primaries and caucuses are all a joke, they have been rigged like everything else. Watch that video and tell me voter fraud is not possible in these caucuses. If Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, or Obama are President what good can possibly come? All I foresee in the near future (assuming Paul is overlooked) is a disastrous wave of apathy that will be the end of what little freedom is left in America.

And I know your a big anti-Paul guy, but seriously man, what other hope is there?

edit on 7-2-2012 by Lapislazuli because: (no reason given)

Does the Cult of Ron Paul not get tired of this excuse?

Originally posted by Cynicaleye

Originally posted by Lapislazuli
www.youtube.com...

These primaries and caucuses are all a joke, they have been rigged like everything else. Watch that video and tell me voter fraud is not possible in these caucuses. If Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, or Obama are President what good can possibly come? All I foresee in the near future (assuming Paul is overlooked) is a disastrous wave of apathy that will be the end of what little freedom is left in America.

And I know your a big anti-Paul guy, but seriously man, what other hope is there?

edit on 7-2-2012 by Lapislazuli because: (no reason given)

Does the Cult of Ron Paul not get tired of this excuse?

Why don't you tell me what Hope there is? Do the Anti-Paul people ever get tired of essentially supporting your own slavery? No.. no you don't. Now go back to drinking your Kool-aid, work at your job, to buy stuff you don't need, and further an already abysmal country into despair. Nothing to see here!

Maybe Ron Paul supporters feel like they want to help our country, genuinely. What do you want?

reply to post by Lapislazuli


Just because people don't support Ron Paul doesn't mean they don't want to do good for the country.

What is it with Ron Paul supporters that they can't accept that some people just have different beliefs and philosophies?