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Originally posted by thegagefather
reply to post by deadmonkey
I know because many centuries-old mason lodges exist where I live,
Because I have been to several Mason funerals - which admittedly were quite fascinating, but were ultimately nothing but regular funerals with many old men and a few excerpts from another book of blind faith.
Because family and friends of mine are members or know members to these lodges
Because I know first hand that urgent meetings have been instated by respected Masons, and the "urgency" was little more than a woman taking her clothes off.
Believe what you want, the human mind has some imagination -
But the Masons started 600 years ago, and all the original members were executed less than 500 years ago.
What have the Masons accomplished since then?
They built lodges were they had meetings, where they could practice corruption - mostly of the political and carnal varieties, but other than that have accomplished....
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
If you care to argue - perhaps you could point me in the direction of one single shining accomplishment of the Masons in the past 500 years.
And building lodges and being hush-hush about your meetings is not an accomplishment.
Originally posted by deadmonkey
reply to post by thegagefather
I say he is full of it.
1. How would he know what the Masons are or are not. He himself said he was invited, not in the masons.
2. I know from talking to one that the masons do not recruit by invitation in fact they are not allowed by a rule to invite people to join. Instead they tell you about the basics ideas of equality and that they are members and then if you ask to come they hold information meetings at the lodge, but you have to ask to go. he made that pretty clear and it stuck with me because it seemed weird.
And to you; i think it is weirder that a bunch of masons would have a circle jerk at the lodge instead of just going to a strip bar. "satanic" ritual are everyday fare in the lodge, that is pretty much all they do is have hidden meaning meetings that sound bizarre to the outsider, this is by their own admission.
Originally posted by deadmonkey
Originally posted by thegagefather
reply to post by deadmonkey
I know because many centuries-old mason lodges exist where I live,
Because I have been to several Mason funerals - which admittedly were quite fascinating, but were ultimately nothing but regular funerals with many old men and a few excerpts from another book of blind faith.
Because family and friends of mine are members or know members to these lodges
Because I know first hand that urgent meetings have been instated by respected Masons, and the "urgency" was little more than a woman taking her clothes off.
Believe what you want, the human mind has some imagination -
But the Masons started 600 years ago, and all the original members were executed less than 500 years ago.
What have the Masons accomplished since then?
They built lodges were they had meetings, where they could practice corruption - mostly of the political and carnal varieties, but other than that have accomplished....
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
If you care to argue - perhaps you could point me in the direction of one single shining accomplishment of the Masons in the past 500 years.
And building lodges and being hush-hush about your meetings is not an accomplishment.
OK so you agree with me that Freemasons have rituals. But you think that this was a real Masonic Lodge with real Masons watching a stripper. OK fair enough it could be. Are you willing to except that the Masons have a ritual that involves a woman preforming a sexy dance as part of it? If not why not.
Originally posted by curious7
Originally posted by deadmonkey
I think it is also important to point out that Freemasons still exist. Their meetings are full of ritual ceremony and they put symbolic language in everything they do. A stripper at a Lodge would not be out of place in some ceremony but would be in any other context, I would suggest.
Of course Freemasons still exist, I've known someone who is one for a few years but he'd kill to have something like this happen at his lodge since all they talk about is Christ being the saviour, local events such as charity drives and the like.
And no, please don't take the "he'd kill to have that" line out of context.
Originally posted by thegagefather
Originally posted by deadmonkey
Originally posted by thegagefather
reply to post by deadmonkey
I know because many centuries-old mason lodges exist where I live,
Because I have been to several Mason funerals - which admittedly were quite fascinating, but were ultimately nothing but regular funerals with many old men and a few excerpts from another book of blind faith.
Because family and friends of mine are members or know members to these lodges
Because I know first hand that urgent meetings have been instated by respected Masons, and the "urgency" was little more than a woman taking her clothes off.
Believe what you want, the human mind has some imagination -
But the Masons started 600 years ago, and all the original members were executed less than 500 years ago.
What have the Masons accomplished since then?
They built lodges were they had meetings, where they could practice corruption - mostly of the political and carnal varieties, but other than that have accomplished....
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
If you care to argue - perhaps you could point me in the direction of one single shining accomplishment of the Masons in the past 500 years.
And building lodges and being hush-hush about your meetings is not an accomplishment.
OK so you agree with me that Freemasons have rituals. But you think that this was a real Masonic Lodge with real Masons watching a stripper. OK fair enough it could be. Are you willing to except that the Masons have a ritual that involves a woman preforming a sexy dance as part of it? If not why not.
Yes, the ritual of getting an old-man chubby.
Or are they going to spill her blood in the name of Satan, as you seem to believe for absolutely no reason whatsoever?
If you do have a reason for believing complete garbage, you haven't explained it.
Perhaps you're stoicly Christian, and attribute actions you don't understand to Satan?
I, unlike you, at least provide explanations for what I claim.edit on 7-2-2012 by thegagefather because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by thegagefather
For the record, everyone has rituals.
By definition, you waking up and starting your day by brushing your teeth is a ritual.
I want to make it clear, that while I believe the Masons have their own rituals, the fact that they have rituals means next to nothing.:
Not everything we do is symbolic. There are no rituals involving women, because no women are allowed in the lodge room while the lodge is open. Again, if anything this looks like entertainment for the lodge members while the lodge is "at refreshment".
Originally posted by deadmonkey
WTF. I'm imagining a reasonable explanation for a Stripper to be dancing in front of a masonic lodge. Everything they do is symbolic, that she is a symbol in a ceremony is , to me, the more likely explanation as opposed to " it's the old guys birthday and the Masons are getting crazy tonight."
No. It does not.
Originally posted by thegagefather
This happens at 90% of lodges.
Yes, that is true of all Masonic ritual.
And the rituals that happen at the others are ancient, outdated philosophy perpetuated in the form of symbolic screen-plays.
We're not a religion. But yes, people are scared of what they don't know.
The Masons are nothing but a shallow, secretive religion - It's symbolism, while shocking to outsiders, is actually quite tame when compared to other religions.
And you'll get no argument from the Masons here on ATS. Other than to say, the event depicted is just that—an event—and no part of ritual or ceremony.
Accept it or not - The Modern Freemasons are a relatively powerless group of men, mostly old lechers, who often participate in events such as the one the OP has found a video of.