SYRIA MASSACRE. Where are all the ATS Muslims and their supporters?

Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by solarstorm

 

Again with your ignorance?
Don’t try to make this post about the Israeli issue. This post is about Assad killing his own people and yet another Middle Eastern dictatorship.
Stay on topic or move on...

I also have a friend in Syria and he tells me they are dieing in the streets like dogs…

Interesting....you have israel all over your OP. So it's just now you are disclosing your friend to ATS?

reply to post by solarstorm


Can your family translate this video for us?

Originally posted by solarstorm

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by solarstorm

 

Then what IS going on there?
And do you feel that American foreign policy is consistant in the region?

Here buddy

Check this out....www.fourwinds10.net...

Western media lie about Syria – eyewitness reports

edit on 6-2-2012 by solarstorm because: (no reason given)

I wouldn't put it past western media outlets to fabricate news from the Middle East, but at the same time I wouldn't take the word of a state-funded news agency from Russia, given that they have a vested interest in Syria.

Originally posted by boncho

Originally posted by solarstorm

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by solarstorm

 

Then what IS going on there?
And do you feel that American foreign policy is consistant in the region?

Here buddy

Check this out....www.fourwinds10.net...

Western media lie about Syria – eyewitness reports

edit on 6-2-2012 by solarstorm because: (no reason given)

I wouldn't put it past western media outlets to fabricate news from the Middle East, but at the same time I wouldn't take the word of a state-funded news agency from Russia, given that they have a vested interest in Syria.

Understood but for what it's worth the article is very consistent to what I'm hearing from family who live there.

Thanks.

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reply to post by solarstorm


RT is covering protests as well.

I don't think Russia wants this to go away at all. They want Assad to stay in but they also want to strengthen the dependence of Syria on their own country because that will give them more leverage in the Middle East.

So now Russia is coming in as a hero after a resolution was vetoed in the UN.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, due to hold talks with Syrian leaders, said Western reaction to Moscow's veto had bordered on "hysteria".

His office said he was heading to Damascus because Moscow sought "the swiftest stabilisation of the situation in Syria".

Link



I am not really sure what's going on, (other than other nations using middle eastern nations as proxy fronts), but Russia has just as much as a vested interest in uprisings in Syria as Western nations do.

Of course, on Russia chessboard, the need to be the stabilizing factor, and on the Western chessboard, they want Assad out.

As of right now though, who is behind it all, is surely not evident.

reply to post by boncho


Great post. Its time people start reacting to the bloodshed in Syria and let the truth out...

Originally posted by CountDrac
Look at this Disturbing video. Yet again we have another Muslim regime or dictatorship killing innocent civilians.
Another Muslim country, Syria that its leader Bashar al-Assad who also blamed Israel for all of Syria’s problems only to Distract his publics eye from his barbaric corrupt government. And I am checking the recent posts and I don’t see even one post from ATS Muslims and its supporters on Syria.

Where is the support for their brothers?
Where is the criticism on these Muslim leaders?
Where is the criticism and uproar at the backwards mentality of these Muslim countries where their leaders and Muslim regimes slaughter their own people, force them to live under Islamic law and crush their freedom and civil liberties.

All I see is Israel this and Israel that. What HYPOCRISY…
I don’t see Palestinians dieing by the hundreds each day. Only Syrians…

I suggest you stop blaming Israel for all the problems in the Middle East and focus half of your attention to your brothers who are dieing daily in the streets by your own leaders. Maybe then, once you get rid of these primitive religious regimes and barbaric dictators there will be peace in the Middle East.

www.youtube.com...

edit on 6-2-2012 by CountDrac because: (no reason given)

I have already posted some in this thread, as I thought the Syria topic was interesting. Now I've gone back and reread the OP.

I understand where you are coming from, as the question, "Why are Muslims not upset about Muslim bloodshed?" is a worthy question to ask.

In fact, the Muslim brotherhood in Syria publicly condemned Assad and the nations responsible for the veto.

On its part, the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria on Monday accused Russia, China and Iran of being "accomplices of the massacres" committed in the country, providing the regime of Bashar al-Assad "supportive" policy and "weapons".

Link

Except hold on!

Your premise is why are Muslims not outraged about state violence on their own people yet you say:

Where is the criticism and uproar at the backwards mentality of these Muslim countries where their leaders and Muslim regimes slaughter their own people, force them to live under Islamic law and crush their freedom and civil liberties.

The "forcing of Islamic Law" doesn't make sense to me.

If they are Muslim people living in a country under Islamic Law, why would they need to be forced to live that way? Some people do wish to live in countries that are under Islamic rule. (To each their own. Seriously...)

In any regard, I missed that spot in the OP, and it kind of takes a lot out of this thread. I should have read more carefully.

This is an interesting issue and should probably get more attention. However, this thread is (especially now) geared to be a flame war... Not a good thing. Perhaps next time a more neutral approach?

Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by solarstorm

 

Lol, How ignorant can you be?
So the Arab League lies as well…

Again, front page in Al Jazeera. Move on you have been served...

Dracula out

www.aljazeera.com...

Perhaps instead of trusting Arab League leaders you should better read, what the Arab League observers have found on the ground.
www.columbia.edu...

I found the following points particular important, but one can find many interesting points in this report.

It is an armed insurrection, targeting government forces and spreading terror

26. In Homs and Dera‘a, the Mission observed armed groups committing acts of violence against Government forces, resulting in death and injury among their ranks. In certain situations, Government forces responded to attacks against their personnel with force. The observers noted that some of the armed groups were using flares and armour-piercing projectiles.

27. In Homs, Idlib and Hama, the Observer Mission witnessed acts of violence being committed against Government forces and civilians that resulted in several deaths and injuries. Examples of those acts include the bombing of a civilian bus, killing eight persons and injuring others, including women and children, and the bombing of a train carrying diesel oil. In another incident in Homs, a police bus.

71. The Mission determined that there is an armed entity that is not mentioned in the protocol. This development on the ground can undoubtedly be attributed to the excessive use of force by Syrian Government forces in response to protests that occurred before the deployment of the Mission demanding the fall of the regime. In some zones, this armed entity reacted by attacking Syrian security forces and citizens, causing the Government to respond with further violence. In the end, innocent citizens pay the price for those actions with life and limb.

Incited tension because insurgents target the infrastructure

75. Recently, there have been incidents that could widen the gap and increase bitterness between the parties. These incidents can have grave consequences and lead to the loss of life and property. Such incidents include the bombing of buildings, trains carrying fuel, vehicles carrying diesel oil and explosions targeting the police, members of the media and fuel pipelines. Some of those attacks have been carried out by the Free Syrian Army and some by other armed opposition groups.

Lies by the media and opposition forces

28. The Mission noted that many parties falsely reported that explosions or violence had occurred in several locations. When the observers went to those locations, they found that those reports were unfounded.

29. The Mission also noted that, according to its teams in the field, the media exaggerated the nature of the incidents and the number of persons killed in incidents and protests in certain towns.

Government reaction to peaceful, unarmed protests

30. According to their latest reports and their briefings to the Head of the Mission on 17 January 2012 in preparation for this report, group team leaders witnessed peaceful demonstrations by both Government supporters and the opposition in several places. None of those demonstrations were disrupted, except for some minor clashes with the Mission and between loyalists and opposition. These have not resulted in fatalities since the last presentation before the Arab Ministerial Committee on the Situation in Syria at its meeting of 8 January 2012.

Attempts by the media to discredit the mission and to incite.

68. Since it began its work, the Mission has been the target of a vicious media campaign. Some media outlets have published unfounded statements, which they attributed to the Head of the Mission. They have also grossly exaggerated events, thereby distorting the truth.

69. Such contrived reports have helped to increase tensions among the Syrian people and undermined the observers’ work. Some media organizations were exploited in order to defame the Mission and its Head and the Mission to fail.

Whatever grievances the Syrian people have with their dictatorial government, the majority of Syrians is still backing the Assad-regime. This is also mentioned in the report (74).

According to the latest opinion poll commissioned by The Doha Debates, Syrians are more supportive of their president with 55% not wanting him to resign. One of the main reasons given by those wanting the president to stay in power was fear for the future of the country.

www.thedohadebates.com...
via
www.guardian.co.uk...

Aren't you the one who started this thread :

Europe: "You Are Entering a Sharia Controlled Zone"

and this one :

Iran to Syria: save regime and preserve alliance

And you think you can be a voice for Muslims ?

No , you don'y want to be a voice.

You just saw how Syrian sanctions was vetoed by China and Russia , and you see that Iran is helping Muslims who are fighting for their lands.

Then you want to find a way of divide and conquer to find your own agendas behind it.

My advice : find another place than ATS where ignorance flows and then co there with your agendas.

SYRIA MASSACRE. Where are all the ATS Muslims and their supporters?

reply to post by hmdphantom


yes i also see the response of the Arab League on the recent Veto in the UN.

www.reuters.com...

what are you trying to say that Assad is not a dictator who is killing his own people? dont make me laugh

This is not my area of expertise, so don't expect anything groundbreaking, but I do have a couple of thoughts:

BEEZZER: You commented twice about the inconsistency of our policy in the Mid-East. It seems consistent to me.

My point is, when there was civil unrest in Iran, we did nothing.
When there was civil unrest in Egypt, we supported the protestors.
When there was civil unrest in Libya, we went in with the military.
When there is civil unrest in Syria, we go to the UN.

Our policy so far has been to find whichever side is the most moderate and pro-American, then back the other side. Although since the UN Secretary General, the Arab League, the OIC and many individual countries have criticized Assad, we may be forced to offer words or token support to the Syrian protesters.

BONCHO: If my understanding is correct, CountDrac's statement makes some sense. Isn't Assad and all the government and security forces Shiite? And I thought the protesters were Sunni. So perhaps CountDrac was saying that the Sunnis were being forced to live under a stricter, and mor restrictive, form of Islamic law than they believe in?

I liked the OP and hoped that it wouldn't get bogged down. If Catholics were fighting a war against other Catholics, with dead bodies all over, I'd expect the Catholics would be discussing it here.

The one time I don't use preview. Of course I'd botch it.

Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by hmdphantom

 

yes i also see the response of the Arab League on the recent Veto in the UN.

www.reuters.com...

what are you trying to say that Assad is not a dictator who is killing his own people? dont make me laugh

OK , I won't.

Look at ME. There are only few puppets of the west in the region.

Qatar , Saudi Arabia , Jordan , Bahrain , Yemen. ( the main Arab league members)

just google this :

Taliban new office in Qatar.

And you can see who is doing all the terrrors and killings.

For the 100,00 th time :

West created Wahhabaism , and the unholy tree is just giving fruit for them. Al-Qaeda , Taliban , Jundullah and other groups are the ones who play those games.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by solarstorm

 

Okay.
So you dispute the 7,000 killed claim?

My point is, when there was civil unrest in Iran, we did nothing.
When there was civil unrest in Egypt, we supported the protestors.
When there was civil unrest in Libya, we went in with the military.
When there is civil unrest in Syria, we go to the UN.

Civil issues belong (right or wrong) within that country. Yet we selectively show support either in words or actions for either side with no consistant approach.

ATS tends to mirror public reaction to these issues. Yet there is much silence on the topic.

I question the consistancy of our foreign policy and the fervor that some here approach. Either towards another countries actions or our own.

and considering the above, i'm beginning to think Obummer has watched too many episodes of "Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader" - at least he seems to be following their options regarding answers anyway ... per your example --

My point is, when there was civil unrest in Iran, we did nothing. ~~ pass
When there was civil unrest in Egypt, we supported the protestors. ~~ peek
When there was civil unrest in Libya, we went in with the military. ~~ copy
When there is civil unrest in Syria, we go to the UN. ~~ save

i sure wish we were getting some "real" reports from the area as i don't believe much of what i've read, yet.

reply to post by Honor93
Why can't we be consistant?

It's frustrating and rather embarrassing.

reply to post by charles1952

BONCHO: If my understanding is correct, CountDrac's statement makes some sense. Isn't Assad and all the government and security forces Shiite? And I thought the protesters were Sunni. So perhaps CountDrac was saying that the Sunnis were being forced to live under a stricter, and mor restrictive, form of Islamic law than they believe in?

Thank you for bringing that up. I hadn't taken that into account.

Originally posted by charles1952
BONCHO: If my understanding is correct, CountDrac's statement makes some sense. Isn't Assad and all the government and security forces Shiite? And I thought the protesters were Sunni. So perhaps CountDrac was saying that the Sunnis were being forced to live under a stricter, and mor restrictive, form of Islamic law than they believe in?

Syria is a secular state. Nepotism in the government might benefit Alawi Shias, but Syria is certainly not ruled by fundamentlalists who press their religion on the rest of the country.

Edited for whatever reason, removed reply. See ya.