Questioning Mormonism

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The mormon religion is an interesting one.... i can honestly say i've never met an LDS member that i didn't like. I've noticed though that much of their bible is taken "verbatim" from the KJV...

I asked one of my friends who happens to be mormon about this... I was told its "another testament" of Jesus Christ...

Of course i pointed out... "technically its not another testament"... its the same one... Clearly copied verbatim from the KJV bible... This made me wonder... the legend says "joseph smith translated the book of mormon from Golden tablets which he found... Perhaps these golden tablets were actually just a copy of the bible?

Of course i don't know this is all speculation.... Regardless they are nice people...

My friend gave me one of their bibles, and i've glanced through it... but unfortunatly i haven't had much time lately

Since this thread is dedicated to the LDS... i would like to ask any of our mormon friends on Ats to tell us about your religion...

I've come to enjoy my discussions with my friend... hes always trying to convert me... he doesn't realize its not possible, though i welcome the attempts

I'll have many quesiton to ask as i read this bible... so please friends step forward

And lets try to keep the southpark jokes to a minimum, out of respect...

I know they're funny...

They are funny,and some are super hot.



I read the Book of Mormon a few years ago.

reply to post by theubermensch


That didn't really add anything productive to the thread... Isn't she on ATS?

Perhaps you might coment on what you read?

Mormons once helped me find my phone I lost on the way back home, even after initially shunning their attempts to set up a meeting with them..(a funny story, they asked for my phone no. which I gave 'em a fake one, since I'd had a bad day & wasn't in the mood for them, & so told 'em I didn't have it on me, after they tried to ringing it - smart Mormons)

It became quite awkward when I explained 10 minutes later, I did actually have my phone & that I basically gave 'em a fake number lol.
Their reaction was surprisingly nonchalant...Almost as if they were used to being given fake phone numbers on a regular basis .

Because of their kindness, I thought it only fair I set up a meeting with them & hear them out...even if they were not gonna be successful in converting me to Mormonism.

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by theubermensch

 

That didn't really add anything productive to the thread... Isn't she on ATS?

Perhaps you might coment on what you read?

I think it adds alot

But I think mormons are pretty crazy. I read the Book of Mormon after I saw the South Park episode on it. I didnt know much about them before that. I thought South Park were making it up. But they really are that crazy. but like the South Park ep says. It doesnt really matter if they are crazy because they all seem like nice happy people.

reply to post by SmoKeyHaZe


Yes they can be very persuasive... My friend tends to avoid dealing with my bible...

He says every thing he needs is in his...

But its taken from mine!

thats funny that mormons have their own bible.. One of the gravest sins in the bible is changing the bible and adding to it. Of course its hard to say since our bible was chosen and semi edited in 300 a.d. by the catholics..
changing the bible might even be one of the famous unforgiveable sins if i remember right, ganna have to brush up on that

reply to post by Nephlim


They believe Christ was in america... along with a few angels...

The Book of Mormon has a number of original and distinctive doctrinal discussions on subjects such as the fall of Adam and Eve,[5] the nature of the Atonement,[6] eschatology, redemption from physical and spiritual death,[7] and the organization of the latter-day church. The pivotal event of the book is an appearance of Jesus Christ to the Americas shortly after his resurrection.

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The Mormons have not changed the Bible. The Book of Mormon is an entirely different book than the Bible, however, the original authors of the Book of Mormon chose to quote some of the writings of Isaiah in their own writings because they felt it was that important. They wrote for future generations, and felt the writings of Isaiah were particularly important to pass on.

The Book of Mormon is not a copy of the Bible, it is an entirely different record that recognizes parts of the Bible as being worth repeating. The "copied" reiterated parts of the Bible make up a very small percentage of the book - maybe 1%. The Book of Mormon (or the Mormon Bible as people like to call it) is a history of ancient people who left Jerusalem prior to it's destruction and came to the new world and established civilizations. It covers the years from about 600 BC to about 400 AD. There are interesting parallels between the rise and fall of the ancient civilizations and what we see going on in the world today. One of it's teachings is this: when the wicked rule, the people mourn.

As for "adding to" or "taking from" the Bible - the Book of Mormon is a completely separate record.

reply to post by cwg100

The Mormons have not changed the Bible. The Book of Mormon is an entirely different book than the Bible,

I realize this... what im saying is that much of the core lessons of this book has been taken verbatim from the bible....

As for "adding to" or "taking from" the Bible - the Book of Mormon is a completely separate record.

I disagree...

I present exhibit A...

www.lds.org...

Taken directly from the KJV bible... coincidentally it also happens to be when "Christ" visited the Nephites....

For the record..

The Mormons use the KJV. Are you referring to the Book of Mormon, which is nothing at all like the Bible and attempts to create a history AFTER the Old Testament?

I am a baptized Mormon, but I've grown wiser and consider myself to be an atheist now. I live in Utah, I can't walk a mile without seeing a Mormon church..

So anyway, did you mean the Book of Mormon? It's nothing at all like the KJV, it's a completely different piece of fabricated literature and is not supposed to be a replacement for the Old and New Testaments, but rather an addition and "another testament of Jesus Christ."

Originally posted by TinkerHaus
For the record..

The Mormons use the KJV. Are you referring to the Book of Mormon, which is nothing at all like the Bible and attempts to create a history AFTER the Old Testament?

I am a baptized Mormon, but I've grown wiser and consider myself to be an atheist now. I live in Utah, I can't walk a mile without seeing a Mormon church..

So anyway, did you mean the Book of Mormon? It's nothing at all like the KJV, it's a completely different piece of fabricated literature and is not supposed to be a replacement for the Old and New Testaments, but rather an addition and "another testament of Jesus Christ."

I realize what they claim... i've been in this discussion with my friend for quite a while now.

Yes im talking about the BOM... i know there is many books within the BOM that are entirely different. What im saying is... the part where they claim Jesus came from heaven and visited the Nephites was taken verbatim from the KJV bible... This brings into question the validity of Jesus comming to america....

IF he did come to visit them... he had his copy of the KJV with him.

Which is quite amusing to say the least.

reply to post by Akragon


oh please Akragon (madcat) you know good and well what Mormons are...what is your purpose for this thread? I actively hunt them out myself and do so love "discussing" the Holy Bible with them I started witnesses to one of their kids they bring to your door step one time and they quickly grabbed their kid up and left. Ha! They want me to listen to them, yet they want let me talk to their members.....

Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by Akragon

 

oh please Akragon (madcat) you know good and well what Mormons are...what is your purpose for this thread? I actively hunt them out myself and do so love "discussing" the Holy Bible with them

I started witnesses to one of their kids they bring to your door step one time and they quickly grabbed their kid up and left. Ha! They want me to listen to them, yet they want let me talk to their members.....

Maybe if you read the thread you would find my purpose for it...

reply to post by KJV1611


Speaking of which... You seem to Know what Mormons are...

Why don't you enlighten us as to who or what they are?

Interesting you say they won't let you talk to their members... somehow i believe that is a lie... Or perhaps they run from you because your beliefs scare the hell out of them... I can understand that.

i've found they are more then happy to discuss their beliefs with others...

This may be of interest to you, if you haven't stumbled upon it before.
www.libchrist.com...

Also I've never known people from LDS to troop around with children on peoples doorsteps only Jehovas Witnesses.
If anyone wishes to engage them in a good old chin wag or indeed a nice clean game of Uno one can expect to be wholehearted welcomed to others family home evenings or even taken bowling by the nice twenty odd year old Fox Mulder lookylikes with the Elder nametags.

Hi Akragon,

Thank you for linking to your thread here. SnF

I too have many questions.

My uncle, whom I loved dearly, was a Mormon and he is no longer with us so that I may ask these questions: Maybe you would like to ask your friend these things?

rfmorg.wordpress.com...

And here is the ATS discussion:
www.abovetopsecret.com...


I look forward to hearing more in your thread. Thank you once again

Originally posted by SeekerLou
Hi Akragon,

Thank you for linking to your thread here. SnF

I too have many questions.

My uncle, whom I loved dearly, was a Mormon and he is no longer with us so that I may ask these questions: Maybe you would like to ask your friend these things?

rfmorg.wordpress.com...

And here is the ATS discussion:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I look forward to hearing more in your thread. Thank you once again

edit on 24-2-2012 by SeekerLou because: (no reason given)

Actually i can answer that question for you...

Mormons won't tell you those things because one of the basic tenants of the church is this...

Be quick to agree with your adversary... so as not to incite arguement.

reply to post by Akragon


At the risk of going off topic here. Ak, I feel I should share this with you.

My friend has squabble with LDS sister.

Sister was told I love you a zillion times
but she could not even say this back.
All she could reply was, "I feel so defeated"
and could not bring herself to tell her sibling that she loved in return after it was all said and done.

This was in front of some of the LDS family. They all just sit there like some kind of knot on a log. Friend could not understand. So friend finally pats the bishop on the leg and said, ''You are their Bishop , right? He nodded.
Friend just said, ''You need to work on those two" , and walked out of the room. (the husband was also there and had said something )

This is the first time, and most likely unusually heard of and rare event...but this sister couldn't even bring herself to say that she LOVED her sibling in return.

Backslidden *for lack of a better term lol* Mormon or what? I am still trying to understand.

reply to post by SeekerLou


Unfortunatly my friend i have no answer for you

There is likely some underlying issue with your friends sister... Some people have trouble expressing their true feelings... perhaps she is depressed.. perhaps she does not understand love...

Perhaps what she believed was love has betrayed her in the past (relationship wise)

I would need to actually speak with this person to understand... i have a natural gift for dealing with people, but it needs to be in person, not over the internet...

Either way, i wouldn't blame it on the religion...