Is America a Police State?

reply to post by Darkblade71

None of my rights have been taken away or violated.

for starters..

your right to a fair trail has been taken away.

NDAA??

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

America is no police state. The very fact you can still ask that question online, in public or shouted from a street corner anywhere in America without arrest or explanations demanded proves it better than anything else.

oh really?



just look at all the people that are applauding the actions of the police.

Originally posted by kn0wh0w
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

America is no police state. The very fact you can still ask that question online, in public or shouted from a street corner anywhere in America without arrest or explanations demanded proves it better than anything else.

oh really?

just look at all the people that are applauding the actions of the police.

Freedom of speech kicked right in the nuts..then this guy became a joke on the tv and blogs everywhere.

Originally posted by Paschar0
What's really insidious about how much we are becoming a police state is just reading people here say "No" or "My rights are fine", yet you read and see it happening all over to others but just bury your heads in the sand telling yourself they must have deserved it somehow. You walk through TSA checkpoints anywhere you travel and convince yourself it's not a "police state". It's simply proof right there in front of you. The tip of a very large iceberg.

The media is used to help you dismiss it all and giggle smugly or demonize those that dare question a corrupt government much less stand up in any way.

You've lost some serious rights just recently, Posse Comitatus was important for a reason, yet most think it was only an antiquated historical remnant. The only terrorists in our country are within our own government, Left and right alike, it's just theater while the main agenda presses on. That agenda is not your best interest I promise you.

Governments selectively enforce the myriad of laws at will. You break six laws crossing the street, and by making almost everything a crime, it's easier to attack anyone when they want when they want.

So enjoy your life, maybe you'll get lucky and never have to face any opposition for a while, but sooner or later, it'll happen and you'll feel the same outrage you mock others for having now. Our children's children will shake their heads in disgust at how inept we all were.

Right on brother. The incremental normalization process is working like a finely tuned machine. Cameras everywhere, legalized drug dealers broadcasting over the airwaves pimping their drugs, monitors everywhere from gas stations to checkout lines, cops conducting illegal searches without warrants, TSA molesting kids at airports, illegal aliens running rampant taking jobs, committing crimes, not reporting crimes (afraid of getting deported), federal and state workers enjoying top notch salaries and benefits for not producing ANYTHING... but lousy service all the while enjoying impunity from dissatisfied customers (namely us, the tax paying citizen) from being yelled at, under threat of being slapped with a felony. Watching our local small businesses systematically being destroyed by giant corporations like walmart because, lets face it... we can not afford to NOT shop there as a result of NAFTA and dissolution of unions. It's an economic weapon as well, this police state. To hell with this government!

Originally posted by kn0wh0w
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

America is no police state. The very fact you can still ask that question online, in public or shouted from a street corner anywhere in America without arrest or explanations demanded proves it better than anything else.

oh really?

just look at all the people that are applauding the actions of the police.

I'm sure no one minds me cropping the vid, since two posts had the same one back to back.

You're both joking right? 'Don't Taze Me Bro' is the best example of a police state?

What do you think would happen if I were a hard core Obama supporter and went into the heart of a stage event for Ron Paul or Rick Perry and just basically stood there to take the floor for as long as I could, as obnoxiously as I could....almost DARING someone to tell me I can't dominate the event as I see fit.

Well... I'm guessing, I'd be bagged, tagged and thrown out the nearest side door. Would that make Ron Paul or Perry tools of a Police State? No... That would make ME an obnoxious punk who had it coming....just like our buddy in the video.

Did they go overboard in THAT case? Perhaps....although we sure don't see all that is said and done between people up close, do we? Either way though... A Police State would have had our buddy there just disappear forever...or at the very least...come back in weeks or months something very different than the man everyone last saw.

That...^^...is a Police State as exists in Central and South America as well as areas of Asia. America may have the tools to become one, but we're a long way from Police State in daily practice.

America has been a police state since the drug war started - it's a war on the American people.
I loved that Budweiser prohibition commercial yesterday - it looked like a good many people were rejoicing because oppressive chains had been taken off. It was the govt that decided to outlaw alcohol sales with the consent of the people.

Just because the police state has the consent of the people doesn't make it right.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


As long as he isn't causing anyone harm shouldn't have he been allowed to stand and speak? So the ones who actually have the fire to stand up and keep on asking questions should just stay home in fear of getting arrested?
When did it become a crime to badger a politician with questions? Isn't that their job since they are held accountable to us for letting them run our country?

reply to post by Sirconspire

You're talking about a supreme tyrannical dictatorship. There are profound differences in how our country is run as compared to how the founding fathers intended it to be. At least you admit there are boundaries breached that could qualify us as being a police state. Even if it's just one of many ideologies qualifying as criteria for a police state, it is what it is and that's called a POLICE STATE.

No... I actually DO know what I am talking about. Honestly, I do. I mean... I am me and I know what I said, lol.

You're painting with broad strokes, missing details and making base assumptions. I would suggest comparing the US today to one of history's best known police states; Nazi Germany.

Hitler was not a tyrannical dictator. he was a very shrewd dictator and his people mostly loved him for a number of years. His regime was not built overnight... but with a series of regressive laws that decommissioned the democratic government and gradually installed him and the national-socialists as the supreme authority.

Today, we do have the 'potential' for the police state... if agencies like the DHS were to be given the power that the SS once had. We have laws bordering on seeing military authority on our streets, but having an American version of the Gestapo has not yet been quite realized.

I didn't say we weren't on the road to the end. In fact, I said just the opposite. I merely pointed out that we were not there YET.

I am comfortable with my opinion... but have no urge to argue such a senseless point because if this were a police state, you and I wouldn't be here to disagree, would we?

Thanks for the reply

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


You were talking about the fact that you can still ask questions.
The 'dont taze me bro' vid is just one example that shows you thats not true.

Or is free speech only for certain persons e.i. People that agree with you?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Also...

What do you think would happen if I were a hard core Obama supporter and went into the heart of a stage event for Ron Paul or Rick Perry and just basically stood there to take the floor for as long as I could, as obnoxiously as I could....almost DARING someone to tell me I can't dominate the event as I see fit.

These are just assumptions made by you to make your point.

Where did you find he tool the floor for as long as he could and as obnoxiously as he could?

reply to post by redoubt

Hitler was not a tyrannical dictator

Excuse me...?

I think America and the UK are secret police states, basically the public is unaware that they are being controlled so much under the safety blanket the government gives them, until you step out of line or dont pay your taxes!!

Originally posted by kn0wh0w
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Also...

What do you think would happen if I were a hard core Obama supporter and went into the heart of a stage event for Ron Paul or Rick Perry and just basically stood there to take the floor for as long as I could, as obnoxiously as I could....almost DARING someone to tell me I can't dominate the event as I see fit.

These are just assumptions made by you to make your point.

Where did you find he tool the floor for as long as he could and as obnoxiously as he could?

Actually, no, they aren't assumptions. In saying that, you make it pretty clear that this was an event you snatched to show for making your point. I recall the details of having watched it closely when it happened..and he was being taken out on the tail end of refusing to cede the floor to anyone else because he demanded that he still had more to say and ask.

Free Speech? yeah.. I agree with Free Speech. So riddle me this....While Gomer there was bucking for a tazing, what was free about speaking for those who were ALSO there to be heard and have THEIR questions heard and addressed at the same time? Freedom means a shared responsibility to NOT STOMP OTHER PEOPLE'S RIGHTS while you have every opportunity to exercise your own.

That turkey stopped exercising HIS rights and began violating the rights of OTHERS about the 2nd or 3rd time he was asked to step away and shut up, but refused and continued to take everyone ELSE's question time once his had politely passed.

It'd be assumptions and opinions if there wasn't more to that video. There is though. You aren't showing it here. I'm basing my opinion on the entire event, and not simply how it ended with bumper sticker slogans.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


"Don't Taze me Bro" isn't the best example only because you have a point, it's not the venue to stand up and hijack the floor regardless if your "anti" or "pro" whatever.

A better example are events like OWS. Whether or not you agree with them is irrelevant, the founding fathers had political protest in mind when they drafted all these silly antiquated rights and freedoms.

The fact that some cities require a "permit" or have "free speech zones" is unconstitutional and some of our very own citizen foolishly defend the government's actions. If they had their way, you wouldn't be allowed to protest, comment on the internet, NOTHING. So keep defending the tyranny because you don't like the content or people involved.

I'm gonna come down on the side of "Not Yet".
It seems to be headed that way however.
Some would call us a "Nation of Laws", but we have so many laws, that no one, and I mean NO ONE
can possibly keep track of them. We have "laws" that are so complex and so numerous, as to be incomprehensible. This fact should be another of the 14 points listed earlier. I see another thread in the making here just to address this issue. Great thread...very thought-provoking...and eye-opening.
Thanks OP,

Noro

reply to post by kn0wh0w

I guess I should stay out of trouble then huh.

I see this time period much like the beginning of WW2.
The belts tighten as we brace for a much larger war.

That to me, is what I see happening.
But then, I am probably crazy

Originally posted by Soapusmaximus
Also the much publicised crack down, and cases of police brutality involving the many occupy protests.

It proves what the response would be if all of the public have a grievance with their government.

Just wait and see, its just not in the mainstream, but its there - and its going to be rearing its ugly head very soon.

Unless you Americans manage to get the legend that is RP in to office, I fear we are all doomed.

I have to agree that if larger pockets of people were protesting like OWS, probably Martial Law would be declared, but it would have to be extreme. In the meantime, Tea Party didn't get beaten by police. But have either sides gotten what they wanted?

We are getting so tied up in state and federal laws, we have TSA to grope us and put us in front of cancer machines that take pics of our privates, new laws like SOPA and PIPA and NDAA being brought to the fore, and I hate to think what is going to happen when Sonia Sotomayor gets her wish of International Law telling us what to do. Well thats the NWO so yah we're on our way. It will only get worse.
However, Guantanamo Bay isn't such a big deal in the scope of things.

www.thefreedictionary.com... police state n. A state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic, and political life of the people, especially by means of a secret police force.

I suppose it depends on your POV.. there were no police check points when I was a kid or other proto-fascist patriot act goodies. And I recall being faced with a much more devastating boogie-man foe.. the commies with nukes.. yet there was no TSA (Touching Sexual Areas) fat finger probe at the airport. We got there 30 min early, paid in cash without suspicion, luggage went through a crude x ray, as we walked through a humming metal detector smoking cigarettes all the way to the seat.

To me, its more police state every day just about time I look around.. but its sneaky, and you dont get pimp slapped every time a right is lost...

To some, noticeable intrusions are just the way it is... to others it's "new".. thats just the way it goes, and why history repeats.

No, not yet. But with the courts whittling away at the 4th Amendment and all of the Presidential Executive Orders on the books to declare martial law at the first sign of a nationwide crisis we certainly have Police State tendencies.