Russian scientists reach buried Antarctic Lake Vostok

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by piotrburz

Originally posted by 0bserver1
Here's a nice Graphic of the the drilling at Lake vostok,

Graphic Lake Vostok

I guess i'm genius

But really thanks for this animation, star for you!

Hello Herr Genius

Now that animation shows that...

Starting from a depth pf 3,500m and higher, ice moves at a speed of 3 meters a year on the surface

And since they started the current Hole 5G in 1993 that means the surface has moved 54 meters

So how did they keep that hole open with such lateral movement?

Look at the sat photos, it's surrounded by mountains.

It's like a giant bowl of ice, not going to move like ice on the Ross shelf.

according to wikipedia the magnetic anomaly measures just one microtesla

en.wikipedia.org...

which again according to them is the same strength as magnetic tape at the tape head

en.wikipedia.org...(magnetic_field)

im no scientist but it doesent seem very much does it?

Bet the scientists aleady know that the opening to the inner core of the world is right there waiting at the door

Originally posted by AGWskeptic
Look at the sat photos, it's surrounded by mountains.

I'm not the one who claims it moves 3 meters a year...

The Russians did, the ones doing the drilling

I merely pointed out that an annual movement of three meters doesn't make sense with keeping a hole open

Originally posted by reficul
reply to post by PhoenixOD

 

its the undiscovered bacteria and viruses that alarm me!

remember small px and indians,or t.b. and south america! what about the swine flu in the early 1900's?
or even maybe some lost alien,like in the x-files movie!!! (thats a stretch!) or maybe the remnants of atlantis!

Anything they might find down there as far as bacteria is concerned would;
1) be primitive compared to modern pathogens.
2) be adapted to a different ecosystem -- hence, not readily find a host on the surface.
3) mostly be contained by the immediate surroundings the Russians put it in.

>> That doesn't mean the Russians or anyone shouldn't take care -- but I doubt we've got to worry about any "horror movie scenario." The main problem is contaminating this ecosystem with external pathogens which could wipe it out in a few months. The other worry is the pressure and undermining the ice Plateau with quakes if they create a pressure differential (the ice above might collapse if air or water escapes too suddenly).

Originally posted by xZodiacx
Im sorry guys I guess I though this was Arctic lake, not Antarctic. So much for making an impression with my first post! lol smh

edit on 7-2-2012 by xZodiacx because: double stupidity

Don't be sorry by friend, alot of folks are wrong about this. Atleast you didn't run away from your mistake. It's an easy error to make if you have never studied either poles. As a kid I always thought The 1982 movie THE THING had taken place in the North Pole, which after actually educating myself over a decade later, I finally found out that to be wrong.

My point of bringing up my childhood assumptions, is that I would guess that I was one of many young boys or men back then that were duped by such a classic movie. Enough of that for now though, because I could watch the original 1982 THE THING a thousand more times, and that is the truth. That's the kind of movie it was and is.

If anyone is interested in the subject of this (meaning the hidden history of Antarctica), I, as well as others, are open to anykind of discussion groups or anyhing else organized that we could all put together.

With that being said, while at the same time enjoying eachothers just plain company, thoughts, knowledge, and personal experiences, I love this stuff so much. ~SheopleNation

here is my post from a similar topic.


Just some thoughts to consider:

Over the last year at Camp Vostok we have witnessed a change in the scientific procedures. The main change and concern has been the "Rush" to reach this subglacial lake. As scientists, I'm sure they would brush off this consideration as no problem at all. They would most likely respond by saying that they were now "super focused" not careless because we were so close. But along with the rush to be first, there is the nagging question of not considering the consquences. Scientists continue to be deluded by this elaborate line of bull#. That is, they are seeking to know the truth about nature and the origin of our species. But in reality, that is not what drives them. They are not driven by abstractions like the search for truth. If they were so inclined, they would never have left that borehole open to the elements until next year. In fact they would have never drilled into these unknown relms utilizing such crude techniques.

Let's face the facts. They are more preoccupied with accomplishments then they are with pure science. It seems that they have never stopped to ask if they should do this in the first place (drilling thousands of meters below frozen Antarctic tundra to open up an enourmous subglacial lake). Pure scientific discovery is always extremely aggressive and almost always changes the world afterwards. Scientific discovery usually results in the rape of the natural world. We leave behind scars in the earth, pollution in our oceans, radioactive waste, space junk and the list goes on.

According to press releases, the Russian team stated that they were able to pump out all the keresene and other solvents and that the lake water rushed up the well and froze forming a plug. Next year they plan on taking samples of the lake water. It seems to me that there are still alot of unasswered questions.
Such as;

1. Won't they have to re-drill into the lake water next year to launch a probe or take a sample?
2. Are they certain that they have not contaminated the site (above and below)?
3. Did they release any gases or other contaminents into the atmosphere?
4. What if they found life forms?
5. What if they found intelligent life?
6. Why was this lake buried so deep?
7. What if humans were not meant to touch or expose this lake to the surrounding environment?
8. Are they certain that the site is stable?
9. Could acess to this lake cause an environmental paradigm shift?
10. Will access effect the lake temperature and environment?

This is just a sample of the hundreds of questions that still remain unanswered.
I don't know about you, but I feel a little queasy about the unpredictability factor going on here.

Stringman

reply to post by zorgon


That is a MASSIVE comment!! How will people manage to explain that considering if the ice is shifting they would of had a hard time keeping hole open
2 Risk damage to drills even possibly snapping
3 Whats to say that they have not missed the mark?

Also another member mentions the mountains on all sides? Therefore where does any ice move to?

I dont know if this has been posted before but take a look at this article i posted to this post here it also mentions Hitler and other interesting things......i found it strange.

MOSCOW – Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin on Friday received the first sample of water from an underground lake in Antarctica that was hidden for an estimated 20 million years.

Read more: www.foxnews.com...

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reply to post by Anmarie96

The water was in a glass container and appeared yellowish in color. It carried a note that read, "Lake Vostok, more than million years old, depth 3,769.3 meters (12,365 feet), 5.12.11, Antarctic."

The Russian team had not been heard from for more than a week before the breakthrough was announced, raising fears for its safety. Temperatures were dropping below minus 40 degrees Celsius (minus 40 degrees Fahrenheit), and the clock was ticking before the onset of the Antarctic winter, when the temperature would get twice as cold.

Hmm , is this a bluff? I know there are two more teams working on getting though to the lake.

I think there's more to it then just water down there

reply to post by 0bserver1


One can hope, eh.

Peace,
Ben

Cool article and topic.

I've read a piece of fiction related to this, as well as seen both Thing movies. Yes, it makes your mind speculate out of control.

What if it's a large pool of stored toxic/nuclear waste from previous advanced civilizations? (ancient aliens)
What if its a strange pseudo innocuous gas/chemical that radically changes our atmosphere (total recall?)
What if its a quasi black hole, time portal? (there was an apparent team investigating a vortex?)
What if they find a giant spacecraft and a crazy giant morphing bug frozen in an ice cube? (THING!)

but my guess is that they will find a few interesting mutations of microscopic plankton, algae, and/or fish and shrimp, if anything at all. Something like a simple and boring little algae that can live without light would be an amazing, life changing discovery. How about a plankton that can hibernate 15k years? The air content itself is one of the more important pieces of data to them, so yeah it's going to be delicate work.

I hope they let us in on what they find and don't whitewash it with hollywood types and quack scientists this once, wouldn't it be nice?