Superbowl Halftime Conspiracy!

Thank ye gods she didn't show her tit like Janet did.

But perhaps it would have fired up the Pats defense.

Next year, forget the famous people at halftime and just have cheerleaders showing boobs. It's be very provacative and profitable. I am no enemy of the female breast, but these Super Bowl chicks and their symbolizsm is incredibly boring and stupid.

Like when Mads kissed Brits? God that was the lamest kiss two women ever shared in front of the world. Yet it worked for me on some level. Just let the cheerleaders emulate these famous chicks, and make that next year's Super Bowl show. I'm saying drop the creepy cloaking # and go straight for the Hooters(tm) appeal.

No need to put the sun around any nips, just show em.

I'm gonna attempt to make a specific point that I feel cuts to the heart of this conversation.

What the ONA refers to as "The Sinister Dialectic", is what these artists are aligning themselves with.
It's usually to cross the threshold to Fame. So it comes down to their own vanity & greed, anthropomorphized.

They don't need to know what, culturally (Aeon-speaking) they are supporting.
They do it with & without knowledge. More of them without, than with.
As with Autotune, the artist doesn't always know it's being applied since other people handle that for them (it's not optional) and mostly after the artist has left the studio and gone home. I know this. It's my field.

We've all probably heard Bowie's "Quicksand" lyrics "I'm closer to the Golden Dawn, Immersed in Crowley's uniform of imagery" Then please read the rest and see that he's divided between the Aeon he's immersed in and "Heralding the Death of Man". OK folks... it's easy. You can do it.

Watch the video for Morrissey's song "I have forgiven Jesus" and listen closely to the lyrics and what they are saying. When he gets to the part, "I wore my heart in my hand. Do you understand? Do you understand?" look at what he's doing, *twice* with his hand, sort of half under his robe and off to the side.

Back on to Florence & the Machine.. when she performed her song "Shake It Out" (from her album "CEREMONIALS") on SNL, the black Gospel backing singers were wearing black robes with a stylized version of an upside-down Pentagram around their necks, like a huge circular collar with a white outline of the shape.
The lyrics of the song are entirely about her freeing herself (and everyone themselves) from Christianity's separation of God & the Devil and finding the devil and "hell" inside of yourself.
"It's hard to dance, with a devil on your back, so shake him off." and "found the devil in me". Then she talks about sacrificing eternal light, because she's "Damned if I do and damned if I don't."

"And I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't
So here's to drinks in the dark at the end of my road
And I'm ready to suffer and I'm ready to hope
It's a shot in the dark and right at my throat
Cause looking for heaven, found the devil in me
Looking for heaven, found the devil in me
Well what the hell I'm gonna let it happen to me"

Oh, also "it's always darkest before the dawn" = reference to Lucifer: "dawn of the morning".

Just see the rest of the lyrics and watch the SNL performance. I don't know if it's online, I watched it live and saw all of this. It's very clear "to another specialist", but also very subtle and encoded for everyone else. A textbook definition of "Occult".

Just now, while on a lyrics page for this song, this ad was on the sidebar, showing a Pathworking on the upper Left Hand Path. While saying "Stimulating Curious Musical Minds" - eMusic.



It's lighting up the center Sephirot's 'Kether' and 'Tiferet', while also illuminating the left-path Sephirot, 'Binah' and 'Gevurah'. This is a Qliphothic Pathworking. Look it up.

www.gnostic-scriptorium.com...

And it's the same as Autotune. Very few people out in the world know what it is or that it's on everything. But a music producer hears it on everything and knows exactly what is happening at a bit by bit level.

It's an enhancement of reality.

These symbols not only augment the results, but they also enhance the experience for people.
And just like the "Stimulating Curious Minds" thing above, it reaches out to you in a sub-conscious way, broadcasting an impulse that resonates in your brain like a piezo-electric pick-up, whether or not you know what is happenging.

If you know, you know. That simple. It's not a conspiracy theory to say Autotune is over-used. It's a simple fact that most people don't recognize because it's esoteric.

One of the songs that I wrote (released as a single) with a certain known pop artist is full of hidden symbolism that we put in there because we are both interested in the topic and wanted to call TPTB out. But still, there are YouTube videos saying it was written by Illuminati. I just have to laugh... there's a clear difference between an inflamatory (to the) Illuminati anthem and songs that praise and support the "Sinister Dialectic" and the Aeon that Crowley was envisioning (more so aligning himself with). That said, this artist is a Crowley fan.

If you wish to remain in denial after considering these words, you just probably won't ever plucking "get it".

Originally posted by Arles Morningside
Given the nature of the Occult (which really isn't as exciting and dramatic as people think), it really is a life time and beyond Journey as stated before. You can't just read a few books or simply google it.

Well said.
When an initiate wants more drama and excitement, they seem to shift further to the Left. All else is far more subtle and less "dramatic" as you put it. I include OTO in the dramatic category. Have you ever been to an OTO gathering?

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When you said "Just now, while on a lyrics page for this song, this ad was on the sidebar, showing a Pathworking on the upper Left Hand Path. While saying "Stimulating Curious Musical Minds" - eMusic."

What exactly is a pathworking and how does it coincide with Stimulating Curious Musical Minds?

Yours is by far the most appealing post I've seen so far on here

Originally posted by moonzoo7
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Just trying to use humor in my social commentary. I find the premise of the thread ridiculous, and I'm calling you out on it. You can see any symolism in anything if you choose to do so. If you want to see Satan around every corner, or in the clouds, and on your burnt toast, you can.These are psychological projections that you assign to the objective world, or as we like to call it, reality.
You propose that there is a subliminal occult message being sent out by a pop star during a football game, and that said subliminal messages actually have an effect on the physical world, or on people through an occult, metaphysical "spell". I think that kind of speaks for itself without my smarta** comments.
Schizophrenics also think that the radio and TV are sending them personalized messages as well.
Your premise is based on interpretation and magical thinking.
Where's the 'proof"?

edit on 6-2-2012 by moonzoo7 because: grammar

no what you are doing is participating in logical fallacies and trying to mock people with seemingly logical rebuttals but in fact are way off base

when you realize these cabals DO worship different things and infiltrated in hollywood and banks and big energy..you then realize this IS their church and they are using symbols just like the Catholic church does. you seriously need a brain hoss

Originally posted by fairguy
reply to post by LeonoraTenen

 

When you said "Just now, while on a lyrics page for this song, this ad was on the sidebar, showing a Pathworking on the upper Left Hand Path. While saying "Stimulating Curious Musical Minds" - eMusic."

What exactly is a pathworking and how does it coincide with Stimulating Curious Musical Minds?

Yours is by far the most appealing post I've seen so far on here

Thank you.

A pathworking is a combination of Sephirot (or Qliphot in the Left Hand Path) that are used, explored, contemplated, (meditated on in a *practical* ritual setting) usually for a specific purpose, if not for sheer contemplation. It is used to set in play a specific group of archetypal energies. Like plucking a chord on a guitar instead of a single note.

They didn't align the pathwork with the foreground "tree". That's why I think of it as the reverse side of the tree which, via perspective view is shrinking into space. That's how the Qliphot relate to Sephirot (opposites/counterparts). The Qliphot are the anti-matter version of their counterpart.

Because it is hinged off of Tiferet at the bottom, (Tiferet is the heart - and hub between "dimensions") they could also be insinuating (by the shrunken image of the path) that it is a pathworking on the Yetzirah plane, (2nd tree up in the 4-tree model of the 4 worlds or dimensional "planes"). The tree in the foreground would be in the realm of Assiyah. Material existence.

There is no other pathworking (combination of Sephirot) which has this same shape. Unless you consider Daat a Sephirot, which it is not. And it's clear that the pathwork begins (or ends) on the bottom with Tiferet, not Yesod. So it is absolutely 100% certainly in the 4 sephirot I previously mentioned.

As far as how it corresponds with "Stimulating Curious ___ Minds"... I don't really think it's necessary or an upgrade to the conversation to pontificate and interpret that.
Then it kind of becomes semantics.

The statement stands on its own.
It's pretty clear what (as DeadSeraph put it) "psychological implications" or insinuations it has, coupled with the specific image they are using.

You cannot say that it is a random pretty geometric image. It's too specific and lopsided/asymmetrical to call unintentional.

It's entrainment. Sympathetic harmonic resonance.

www.soundfeelings.com...

Look up the science of Cymatics. It is the study of resonant wave patterns and sound's effect on matter (relates to wave/particle physics).
Some of the geometries shown in Cymatics experiments (like the note "C") resemble the ten sephirot (concentric hexagrams). Sustained musical tones will create these geometries in a fluid medium (ie, water, air) and powders as well. It's the tetrahedral/cubic (square/hexagonal) matrix.

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Look at my breakdown of the lyrics of her performance on page 37, she used the same cryptic undertones you're talking about

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Wow! My mind is blown right now, this is something I will definitely read up on and your posts are an awesome start. Thanks!

Originally posted by fairguy
reply to post by LeonoraTenen

 

Wow! My mind is blown right now, this is something I will definitely read up on and your posts are an awesome start. Thanks!

Glad to share. It isn't easy to put to words... I'm doing my best and appreciate your patience.

One other connection that needs to be made:

There are 10 Sephirot and 11 Qliphot. Daat ("knowledge") is the missing sephirot in the frontal tree and is what is filled in, in the Qliphot. The other name for the Qliphothic tree is the "Sitra Ahra".

The 10 is matter and 11 is anti-matter. Order from Chaos (aka "Ordo Ab Chao" in Freemasonry)

The reason MLO/ONA/TOTBL/Current 218 (etc...) followers exalt the #11 and despise the #10 is for this reason.
CHAOS OVER ORDER! Anti-matter defeating matter.

They have an 11-sided sigil which represents 11 "personalities" of the opposer.
This corresponds to the Qliphot on the Sitra Ahra.

They believe the Sephirot (the reason for physical creation) is a mis-use by God ("the demiurge") of Chaos - and Chaos Magick, for his own insecure & imperfect motives. He created the 10-fold (digital) universe from the 11-fold chaos. This in their opinion is counter-evolutionary and they want it all to go away and for the entire physical universe to recede back into Chaos. How fun! Right?

But in the meantime, we each can be like the demiurge by doing the same Chaos Magick that he did to create this whack physical universe. When they do ritual workings, they create constructs on a higher plane, which they consider to be their own heaven. They are creating their own Godhood and ditching the other one which sucks. Just like the objective is in Vamachara Tantra & Aghor Yoga.

After creating these "constructs", their buddies can go to check out their work and report back with specific descriptions of what they saw. This would be considered a successful ritual working. Subtle on this plane, but not really on others. They go into the world of Yetzirah, to affect a change and because of "As Above, So Below" it will project into the world of Assiyah (creation). If it is a success and it is not always a success.

If you don't believe Crowley was aligned with this path, please consider this official Thelemic resource:

www.heruraha.net...

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Order from chaos, matter and anti-matter? Sounds like modern science. How old are these ideas? I've read but couldn't back it up that Big Bang and Evolution are rooted in Kaballah. You know anything about these?

I watched the performance and did take notice to the symbolism used in the show, such as the owl head dress. Personally I think major artists are aware of the belief of sinister occult motives by major artist such as jz, and in fact incorporate it I to third shows to play on the current trend. Remember Madonna wrote the book on this, there is no such thing as bad publicity, if people are taking about you, then you are successful!

That's what I believe is going on here with her and many other major artist. If you imply to the public that you may be some super star satanic agent who sold their soul for fame and fortune, then people will discuss and investigate you. In short you will get attention and that is exactly what all these performers want.

This is show biz folks, and nothing more.

Originally posted by Theorytripper
I watched the performance and did take notice to the symbolism used in the show, such as the owl head dress. Personally I think major artists are aware of the belief of sinister occult motives by major artist such as jz, and in fact incorporate it I to third shows to play on the current trend. Remember Madonna wrote the book on this, there is no such thing as bad publicity, if people are taking about you, then you are successful!

That's what I believe is going on here with her and many other major artist. If you imply to the public that you may be some super star satanic agent who sold their soul for fame and fortune, then people will discuss and investigate you. In short you will get attention and that is exactly what all these performers want.

This is show biz folks, and nothing more.

You are entitled to your opinion. And what you are saying is that all of the artists who are doing this SO obviously in public, on albums, everywhere, are all just doing it for marketing.
Everything they do reeks of it. It's an obsession for them, not a marketing tactic.

Besides, you're doing the wanna-be gangster vs real gangster argument. If they both do drive-by's, then what's the difference? They're still INDOCTRINATING people with these kewl witchy ideas and utilizing it for their gain. It's no different whether they believe in it or not, it wil have the same effect.

You don't need to know how the engine works to push the gas pedal. And just because you didn't intend to drive the car doesn't mean it won't begin moving.

It doesn't really matter whether they mean to or not or understand it. They're using, promoting and endorsing these practices. If they use it, it is using them back.

Besides, don't any of you remember that Madonna is the Queen of Kabbalah in her own mind?? She's been into Kabbalah (officially) since about 1997. Not just the red-string bracelet kind either. Yeah, she's a part of Kabbalah Centre and that whole thing, but Hollywood is full of Kabbalists and OTO members.

You're calling them wanna-be's. I'm sure if they were here to defend themselves, they wouldn't forsake their beliefs. It's a major part of their life.

All that said...
I think that without the Occult, music would suck SOO bad.
The most beautiful and talented people in the world, come from this rich tradition.

It's much more than just a tool in the wrong hands. It's a tool. It's a medicine and it's a poison.
But TPTB have infiltrated and hijacked it and are parading around in its clothes, utilizing it as a turbocharger to augment their conspiracy of greed. It works and it's hard to separate the flies from the ointment at this point. Their bits are all up in it.

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation

 

Order from chaos, matter and anti-matter? Sounds like modern science. How old are these ideas? I've read but couldn't back it up that Big Bang and Evolution are rooted in Kaballah. You know anything about these?

"Ordo Ab Chao" is a commonly-known term used in Freemasonic Lodges everywhere... usually accompanied by some revelry. The hard LHP folks tend to reverse it.

Matter & Anti-matter are analogies, but they still apply.

The 1st word of the 1st verse of Genesis, (B, R, A, Sh, Y, T) is like a big bang.
It doesn't mean "In the Beginning". It means "At the Head, is 6" - the 6 directions: N,S,E,W,Up & Down (the octahedron/cube). 3-dimensions of X-Y-Z, emanating from Nothingness (origin point)... organizing into hexagonal matrix.

The 6 days of Creation and "Day of rest" is the Hexagram (6-pointed star). The 6 days are the 6 triangular outer spaces and the day of rest is the central space (hexagon). It's like the original waveform pattern. Also, the octahedron can be viewed from its hexagonal orientation, as a hexagram and the cube can be visible as a hexagon with 6 lines emanating from the center. This is what Paul Foster Case's BOTA "Cube of Space" is based around.

From my best assessment, these ideas are way older than any of the surviving traditions or named systems/modalities. Back when life was very simple and people tried whatever plants they could find, these concepts became known through transcendental experience, associated with either psychoactive plants or quiet internal contemplation.

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I know what the word occult is meant to mean. My point was that when it's used people just throw anything and everything into that category for no apparent reason. Even things which aren't at all hidden. Oh no, Madonna has her helpers wearing Roman outfits and has an ancient civilization themed musical performance, must be some sinister occult illuminati plot

Usually when I encounter someone using the word occult they are describing something which isn't hidden or describing something that is only "hidden" from dimwits who don't understand simple symbolism or history. Also people tend to use the word to imply some sinister intent as if those referencing mythologies or religions other than Christianity can only have malicious intentions. Classic examples like this abound but are best found in the legendary Satanic Panic, in which everything from Dungeons and Dragons to the He-Man cartoon were labeled occultic evil satanic influences by ignorant Christians.

As to your point about Roman mythology... SO WHAT? Lot's of ancient religions and cultures practiced sacrifices of everything from grain to animals to other human beings.

There is NO hidden knowledge. Just figments of human imagination.

That is truth, that is knowledge.

No longer hidden.

Let me tell you the truth. The truth is what is, and what should be is a fantasy. A terrible, terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago.

-Lenny Bruce

But in all seriousness, i see no reason to glamorize horse # 'cause people actually believe that crap. And it is a shame.

Originally posted by LeonoraTenen
All that said...
I think that without the Occult, music would suck SOO bad.
The most beautiful and talented people in the world, come from this rich tradition.

Nah, if there were not people with talent music would suck so bad.

Truth is these people studied music, practiced night and day and became really good musicians. All the other crap was marketing to sell records. But that is if you go back to the 60s, 70s and it really came to a head (so to speak) in the 80s with the metal bands from that time. After awhile and from over exposure it lost it's marketing value. Maybe it will make some kind of come back but the down side is when people take that # seriously. I know...i dont want to be negative but its better to know the truth and like i said 'wish in one hand, # in the other'. I am looking at all the hidden knowledge right now, it's in the palm of my hand and my hand is EMPTY.

Truth is there were less distractions in those days and music was taken seriously, it was taught in schools, played practiced at home and often times nearly 24 7 especially by musicians that became famous. Thats all...no mysteries, just a lot of work and practice.

That said, i see nothing wrong with this superbowl performance. I suppose it had a theme, and like someone else said: throw some ideas in a hat and see what comes out. What is the pulse of this generations fantasies. Just cruise the internet for a few months and there is your show.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
As a performer (former) I feel it was an amazing show....but I look at it differently than most....
With that said.....her show revolved around Mythology....
I find interest in it, but don't take alarm or feel there is a conspiracy....

edit on February 5th 2012 by greeneyedleo because: (no reason given)

I would agree that almost no one is looking at this halftime event as a satanic or a new world order ritual. Entertainment usually reflects a societies values. The subtle or not so subtle references to power (Roman garb, etc.) is a reflection of our culture. War and power plays are evident in our everyday lives. I think the presentation by Madonna was stylishly done and I enjoyed it for the creative efforts. The fact that her event reflects popular power and war-related imagery only tells us what our society finds acceptable every day. You can be critical of Madonna, but only if you're critical of the day-to-day acceptance of violence in our govt and society too. If you're sensitive to the violence portrayed on TV and in our entertainment that is a good start, but you must renounce the real violence done in our govt. and society instead of the reflections of it in our entertainment. To mock one thing while accepting another would be hypocritical.

When it comes to pop stars!

Dont believe the hype !

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
As to your point about Roman mythology... SO WHAT? Lot's of ancient religions and cultures practiced sacrifices of everything from grain to animals to other human beings.

Okay, but the 20th Century has been the greatest era of sacrifice, with two altars called world wars, set up and drenched with blood.

And we are ruled by Latin speaking tribe inside their courtroom, and all their power derives from Rome, and the power of Rome is from a purse held by Rothschild and their adherent sacrificing Luciferian families.

Plants do not produce blood, so don't get confused. Grain doesn't get sacrificed, doesn't spil out its blood causing frenzy and arousal in the humans. Only a fool compares sacrifice of life, to a pile of grain. They are completely different.