The wacky world of Free Energy.

Lots of "Free Energy" threads over the years and quite a number as of late, I thought I would do a quick search and post some quoted text from various threads.

Some may be slightly out of context, some won't be, but at the end of the day it should make for an entertaining read. The best thing Free Energy threads do, is bring out some of the funniest (often unintentional) responses on the board.

So here it is:

My tribute to Free Energy

Mehran Keshe will sell freee energy generators for 5,000 Euros in 2012 that will produce 3 kilowatts of energy for 40-50 years continuously. The 4 kilowatt generator will cost more.

The only draw back is that he wants 100 euros a year for maintenance fees.

Ah... If only my magical machine needed no maintenance fees!

Of course it produces free electricity. Listen to the radio broadcast before making off the wall remarks. It takes at least 15 minutes before you have listened to it all.

All this time people have been doing experiments to figure out if something works, but all you need is a radio show.

I'm fully aware that you might have seen similar to this on ATS, especially since I posted another thread about this man and his UFO's that he built.

As far as peer review goes, peer review is a joke. Peer review on a new discovery or invention only means that the academic world wants in on the BIG BUCKS!

Peer review in such matters is not needed by any law in any country.

Peer review is joke a when you consider that he already has patents, and that Iran and Poland are already using his technology.

I don't even know what to say...

Wow the guy has a beard a podium AND a microphone, this must all be true.

Absolutely.

Stan Myers was the original but he made a fatal mistake. He tried to make money.

And also claimed to pass up a 2 billion offer by the Saudis...

It makes mainstream scientists a bunch of lying thieves for claiming space could bend.

Damn mainstream Scientists!

You are like the third person to just totally ignore the OP and claim they are crackpots with no proof.

I'm sure you all will be saying the same thing after they bring their generators to market.

Too bad the generators never made it to market right? The company did well with the millions invested I'm sure.

Also, Steorn has many investors invested in their company / technology. They have 22 jurors evaluating the technology. This is unprecedented for a "hoax" company to do.

Ah Steorn... Turned out to be a rather comical hoax at that...

No matter what anyone says, Tesla DID find free energy. It REALLY is out there. Our unidentified flying objects out there are using free energy. That is why the lights seem to go out in the cars, homes, planes, etc. because the electricity is drained from the appliances and absorbed by the u.f.o. or vice versa.

I wondered why my TV shut off the other day...

My dad invented a free energy machine. But it reqquired alot a fine tuning and he could'nt fine tune it just right. It makes lots of sense and if I explained it to you you would get it instantly. But alas I can't tell you, he's still fine tuning it.

We're controlled by non-free energy right now. Free energy is against TPTB's interests. No profit.

Damn all the non-free stuff!

...the guy at the age of 14 built a working generator that took off through the roof of his landlady's house and disappeared, then with a team of 4 or 5 friends, funded by pensioners, built a 50 foot diameter disc in a field and flew it around the world a total of 200 times over many years.

Quotes were sourced from the following threads:


Mehran Keshe Will Sell Free Energy Generators for 5,000 Euros in 2012 - We have anti-gravity... - Current state of... - Free Energy Produced - Einstein Proven Wrong Again - Steorn's Orbo - Free Energy - Free Energy DIY kit with video! - John Searl




Feel free to add any....

reply to post by boncho


I love it.
It's fun, how also Torsion Fields are gaining popularity.

It's all very scientific and definitely proven by, erm, uh, somebody, i'm sure. I can even show you all these pictures i drawed in mspaint that can prove to you I know how to build a UFO, but since you have questioned me and I feel threatened I'm going to make a lot a noise about being attacked, and stomp off claiming that there's no soup for you. I'll take my toys to another forum.

Sorry, that's a bit of a sarcasm rant about some 'I know how to build a torsion field ufo thread I saw recently.

Anyway. Thank you!

reply to post by nineix


Ah yes..

"Torsion Science", that would be a great addition to the thread!

Originally posted by boncho
"Torsion Science", that would be a great addition to the thread!

Wikipedia brings torsion fields up as PsuedoScience

I'm not sure what the purpose of this thread is for !

Is it to belittle other ATS members ?


I hope the MODS have a think about this one

I wish I could say that many of these people had their hearts and minds in the right place but It seems like it's all just one big game to many of these people.

This is funny. S&F
I think what many fail so realize is that Energy is the ultimate currency.
All work uses energy, and you get paid (with paper or whatever) for work.
So exerting energy over time = money/value.
The concept of free energy is appealing to many who want output with no input.
Would it not be great.

Guys theres no way there will ever be free energy.

Just burn as much petrol, coal, and desiel as is humanly possible and laugh at the dreamers suffocating in your C02 trail.

reply to post by BillyTJames

There will, I am sure be alternative methods of converting energy, but in an energy based economy, the concept of 'free' becomes irrelevant. Zero point energy is interesting, but it will not be free, as the average energy in this concept has to be zero. With this we may end up with a huge energy bill, payable to the universe it's self.

Most of the ridicule comes in(for better of worse), where "over unity" devices are proposed as this violates certain physical laws. I would love to see the conservation of energy law broken, but then again it may indicate some serious flaws in the universe.

reply to post by rom12345


Sorry for my poor attempt at sarcasm.

Im all for free or zero point energy. Hopefully the earths magnetic field will provide some opportunities for developing new cheap, clean energy for all. Im one of those dreamers..

reply to post by BillyTJames


I am certainly open to new discoveries, but also skeptical of people who make outrageous claims.

Originally posted by roguetechie
I wish I could say that many of these people had their hearts and minds in the right place but It seems like it's all just one big game to many of these people.

I'm not sure which side of the argument you are making your statement in regards.

Let me, however, explain my position:
1. Inventor/'scientist'/engineer makes fantastic claims. Same waves around all sorts of convincing documents. Same 'displays' the technology under suspiciously tightly controlled conditions. News and rumors and more news bounces around. excitement builds, and ... NOTHING ever comes of it.
2. Different person, different name, similar credentials, similar technology pops up. Wow, this could be IT! Independent testing from extremely qualified teams show strong evidence, however, it's a sham. Person #2 still manages to hold onto some supporters for funding and further development of the technology and ... the whole thing disappears into obscurity along with the money.
3. Similar, similar, similar, and similar.
4. Ditto
5. Yep, again.
6. Are we there YET? uh, no, again.
7. Maybe this time? sorry, no.

You see the same if not similar thing happening over and over and over, and from a scientific perspective, each incident could be plotted as a data point. Each data point builds a stronger indication with repeated, independent tested examples that each and every time, it will all come to NOTHING.

When #8 comes around, do you expect those of us that have seen this before to go eagerly running with wads of cash in hand, held out?
Not likely.
If anything, you'll see us acting a bit jaded, or, trying to make the best of it with humor.

Would we LOVE to see some free energy solutions? YES!
Would we LOVE to see some new kind of physics that challenges general relativity such that it allows for FTL? YES!

Amid all the claims that have come time and tiem and tiem and time again, have we seen it yet? NO.

For instance, check this guy out: STAN DEYO EXPLAINS ANTIGRAVITY (full video)
That's a thread from 2007, but, this guy has been talking about knowing how to build a UFO since the late 1970s.
Hmmmm.
Have we seen any private sector UFOs popping up in the media, or business sector, if only to charge people a bit of cash for a quick trip to the moon and back? Nope.

These things pop up ALL the time.

That same guy is now doing Bible prophecies, and other hug a rainbow meditate and talk to the angels while balancing a piece of quartz crystal on your head stuff now.
Hmmm.
Is this what you'd be doing if you knew how to build a UFO?
Doubtful, but, some people are kinky like that.

That's just one example of many.

Suffice to say, it gets a little old and some of us are want to gripe about it in our own ways, sometimes in forums like these with other people that want to also gripe about it.

Originally posted by BillyTJames
reply to post by rom12345

 

Hopefully the earths magnetic field will provide some opportunities for developing new cheap, clean energy for all. Im one of those dreamers..

I saw a great article in scientific american many years backs, proposing using the earths magnetic field for electro magnetic induction. I think this one of those mega engineering projects, that could be feasible. Ultimately I believe, that space based solar power is the best long term solution. providing that we can effectively transport the collected energy back to earth. After that, a Dyson Sphere.

Originally posted by boncho

My dad invented a free energy machine. But it reqquired alot a fine tuning and he could'nt fine tune it just right. It makes lots of sense and if I explained it to you you would get it instantly. But alas I can't tell you, he's still fine tuning it.

I can't give Bedini credit for inventing free energy, but I can admire his craftiness in getting people to part with their hard-earned cash for his "experimenter's kits" which are based on this "fine tuning" concept.

He claims he "has to" call them experimenter's kits because the TPTB won't let him outright claim they produce free energy. The truth is, this his out to avoid getting sued for fraud...very ingenious.

And after you buy the kit, if you don't get free energy, it's not Bedini's fault...it probably just needs some more "tweaking" or "fine tuning", that's why it's an experimenter's kit! LOL.

Am I conflicted for simultaneously hating the guys fraud but admiring his craftiness in how he executes it??

reply to post by Arbitrageur

Am I conflicted for simultaneously hating the guys fraud but admiring his craftiness in how he executes it??

I have the same conflict. And because you see it for what it is, you think to yourself, well I could do the same and pull in investor funds and money from DIY kits as well! But then I couldn't live with myself...

In the end you have to sit back and watch people go on the free energy ride.

It is not to say that some unbelievable technology is not out there waiting to be discovered, the problem is how these "inventors" go about bringing their products in the open market. It is consistently done with the same formula and nothing ever really goes to market, money is lost and people are left wondering what happened to it.

I hope one day some backyard tweeker or unknown develops something revolutionary, and when it comes to market we can see how it's really done.

It happens all the time in other markets, but energy is a tough cookie to crack.

Originally posted by rom12345

Originally posted by BillyTJames
reply to post by rom12345

 

Hopefully the earths magnetic field will provide some opportunities for developing new cheap, clean energy for all. Im one of those dreamers..

I saw a great article in scientific american many years backs, proposing using the earths magnetic field for electro magnetic induction. I think this one of those mega engineering projects, that could be feasible. Ultimately I believe, that space based solar power is the best long term solution. providing that we can effectively transport the collected energy back to earth. After that, a Dyson Sphere.

The idea of a Dyson sphere is extremely cool. The Sun is a nuclear reaction, harnessing it in a Dyson sphere would be lie having a gigantic nuclear reactor, obviously far greater than anything that could be built on Earth.

A thousand, five thousand years from now? Maybe a hundred?

Whichever generation is lucky enough to see it, it would be simply amazing for them.

Originally posted by rom12345
There will, I am sure be alternative methods of converting energy, but in an energy based economy, the concept of 'free' becomes irrelevant.

Which is itself a very good point! Food used to be free because sunlight and water were 'free' but since you now have to 'pay' for the land sunlight and water is not 'free' enough to pay the bills. The very existence of life on earth invalidates the notion that you can not have a free energy 'economy' when we clearly have a massive ecology as allowed by a free energy fueled biosphere!

The notion that 'someone', or 'we', somewhere must always 'pay' for energy is nothing but an ideology and one that has made a small proportion of the worlds people fantastically rich.

Zero point energy is interesting, but it will not be free, as the average energy in this concept has to be zero. With this we may end up with a huge energy bill, payable to the universe it's self.

"Average energy in the concept has to be zero"? Based on what principle/theory? Are you implying that conservation of energy plays a scientifically significant role on earth as long as our Sun is shining? That entropy matters significantly while the sun pours out 'free' energy for one and all? You are after all aware that if we had to burn fossil fuels to provide the light to make crops grow we would not be having this discussion? Where did this notion of 'conservation of energy' as important principle to a sun fueled economy come from?

If eventually some agency arrived to make us pay for being in the way of the sun and 'stealing' it's 'energy' that would present problems but i humble propose that the only real solution in this case would be to no longer be dependent on this one sun and to be generally armed to the teeth.

Most of the ridicule comes in(for better of worse), where "over unity" devices are proposed as this violates certain physical laws.

Which physical 'law' would that be specifically? I have contested this claim for going on half a decade now and i am still waiting for someone to point out 'laws' that in fact claims such or can be construed to claim as much. So far i have heard and read of a few 'laws' that are employed by some to suggest that conservation of energy is a serious affair in a closed system but as i have pointed out closed systems are theoretical constructs only so perhaps we should rather concern ourselves with whichever legitimate objections there might still be.

I would love to see the conservation of energy law broken, but then again it may indicate some serious flaws in the universe.

edit on 5-2-2012 by rom12345 because: (no reason given)

If the 'universe' were flawed it would not exist; according to the big bang cosmological model the starting conditions had to be just about exactly as they were to allow for the universe to yield planets and many idle on at least one of them... As best i can tell the big bang model is the ultimate energy conservation violation so i think that until we some good theories as to why universes can pop into existence we should not taunt the universe/god by throwing our hands in the air and blaming 'conservation of energy' for the miserable mess that humanity has so far made of the only, and very free, biosphere we know about.

Thanks for reading...

Stellar

You've posted this thread in the wrong subforum. This is an atheist self-congratulation thread, so it really belongs in the Religion subforum.

Yeah, funny

Didn't see any of my threads in there....
But that's just because i'm right

I understand what you're saying, and yes, there is way too much hocus-pocus pseudo science out there, that's why peer review does work.
Only a chemist could have his findings validated by other chemists, and so on.

It is a shame, it gives real free energy research a bad name, but real research there is.......
ETA; yet more moaning about 'scams for money', oh dear.
All the great inventors worked alone and financed themselves, they only got funding after proving their concept.
This is the way it should be.
I'm pouring thousands into various free energy projects.
So what, it's my money

....As for Steorn, it was ME who debunked it in the first place, so i am on your side, in a manner of speaking.
But i hate it when people go 'hippie bashing' just because we think outside the box....