USA plans to rearm Saakashvili's Georgia

Yep. You heard that right.

Georgian Defense Minister Meets U.S. Secretary of Defense

The U.S. has “expressed its readiness to extend assistance with regard to enhancing Georgia’s defense capabilities which implies new levels of cooperation, deepening existing relations in the key areas and implementation of specific training and assistance programs,” the Georgian MoD said.

Defense Minister Akhalaia said, that from now on the defense cooperation with the U.S. would focus not only on training of the Georgian troops for the Afghan deployment, but also on enhancing and improving Georgia’s "self-defense capabilities.”

That means WEAPONS.

Yeah that worked SO WELL the last time they gave weapons to that nutjob Saakashvili and what did he do with it? He attacked Russian peacekeepers that were there under UN mandate without any provocations and started shelling the cities who didn't lick his boots... which put the world on the edge of nuclear war. That guy.

Don't believe me? Re-read the thread.

Along with that :
Georgia becomes aspirant member of NATO, Russia threatens war

Yeah it's gonna end REAL WELL...NOT.

Just like they armed UCK Terrorists in Kosovo and Armed "Croatian Armed force" for operation oluja nad bljesak, Armed Rebelles in Libya and so on.. we got lots of signs that we are closer to World war 3 then ever and still people keeps watching the other way and ignoring all the facts that is just infront of their eyes

Why would this be a surprise? Georgia has plans on joining NATO and the EU, why wouldn't they be supplied weapons by friendly countries?

Originally posted by MortlitantiFMMJ
Why would this be a surprise? Georgia has plans on joining NATO and the EU, why wouldn't they be supplied weapons by friendly countries?

Because Georgia is under Russia's geopolitical sphere. It's not the EU or NATO that is arming Georgia: it's the USA. I seriously doubt that NATO or the EU will accept a new member that is so unstable in its military actions as to invoke war with Russia.

Personally, I think the US is trying to invoke more Russian incursion into Georgia by backing Saakashvili. That way it makes Russia look like the bad guy, especially considering the Georgian propaganda machine. Remember how terrified people were when the Georgian media portrayed a Russian re-invasion as being an April Fool's joke?

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Because Georgia is under Russia's geopolitical sphere. It's not the EU or NATO that is arming Georgia: it's the USA. I seriously doubt that NATO or the EU will accept a new member that is so unstable in its military actions as to invoke war with Russia.

So? Russia cannot sell arms to Venezuela or Syria? Georgia does not want to be in Russia sphere, rather in NATO - and it is Georgia (and NATO's) choice. Just as Venezuela or Cuba got every right to resist US influence and be close to Russia.

for self-defense? LAUGHABLE. you have to remember that Georgia is America's proxy, therefore, placing weapons in Georgia is based on an idea that those are offensive weapons for America's forward operating base, that is Georgia.

this is obviously sticking with the agenda of encircling Russia and eventually removing it's leadership and placing a pro-western ideologue to continue the domestication of the Eastern people's.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

Because Georgia is under Russia's geopolitical sphere. It's not the EU or NATO that is arming Georgia: it's the USA. I seriously doubt that NATO or the EU will accept a new member that is so unstable in its military actions as to invoke war with Russia.

So? Russia cannot sell arms to Venezuela or Syria? Georgia does not want to be in Russia sphere, rather in NATO - and it is Georgia (and NATO's) choice. Just as Venezuela or Cuba got every right to resist US influence and be close to Russia.

What does this have to do with NATO? Canada, France, Britain, Germany, etc, aren't arming Georgia; the US is (the Russians even confiscated American equipment when they kicked Georgia's ass). You think NATO is willing to give weapons to a proven lunatic so we can all fight Russia in an endwar?

Seriously, our men in Brussels would have to be truly screwed in the head to ever seriously suggest allowing Georgia into NATO. It is the US who is pushing it because of US geostrategy to encircle Russia and cut it off from the rest of Eurasia (hence the American "missile shield" in Eastern Europe).

And I repeat: Why would the EU accept Georgia as a member? EU won't accept Turkey because of various factors, none of which include murdering peacekeepers in order to provoke war with a regional superpower.

Georgia is a wildcard in the region, hence why the US is backing it. The US wants Georgia to cause as much trouble for Russia as it possibly can, to keep Russia tied up on that front instead of progressing elsewhere. There will be no Georgian integration into NATO or the EU; they are just prospects dangled in front of Saakashvili to make him do stupid things for his new friends.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

What does this have to do with NATO? Canada, France, Britain, Germany, etc, aren't arming Georgia; the US is (the Russians even confiscated American equipment when they kicked Georgia's ass). You think NATO is willing to give weapons to a proven lunatic so we can all fight Russia in an endwar?

Two things:
A) US is in NATO.
B) Georgia will be in NATO

At Bucharest we agreed that Ukraine and Georgia will become members of NATO and we reaffirm all elements of that decision as well as the decisions taken by our Ministers of Foreign Affairs last December.

www.nato.int...
Not sure about Ukraine since i fell that majority of Ukranians are against it - and it is their clear right.
But Georgians want it , not only Saakashvilli so given growing gap between West and East, Georgia will be in NATO pretty soon.

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


US being in NATO, DOES NOT mean US is NATO. There are 20+ other members in NATO than the US. I'm sure that the European members have a different perspective on Georgia considering that they share the same continent, and thus the same consequences. USA is half a world away.

And as I said, NATO would have to be insane to suck in Georgia. Do you even know what that would mean?

-Georgia becomes NATO member
-Georgia initiates military campaign to retake full control of Abkhazia and Ossetia.
-Russia jumps back in to protect ethnic Russians.
-NATO is now at war with Russia.
-WWIII

This is why Georgia will never be in NATO.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


Regarding 20+ members, even if 1 member refuses the Georgian entry then NATO cannot take it as a new member.

Who will do this work for Russia? Greece comes to mind right away. Any others?

Russia should try to get the real tune of the Georgian people because that is what is longer term. Current President of Georgian is a crazy power drunk type but his term is going to end soon I think.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

Because Georgia is under Russia's geopolitical sphere. It's not the EU or NATO that is arming Georgia: it's the USA. I seriously doubt that NATO or the EU will accept a new member that is so unstable in its military actions as to invoke war with Russia.

So? Russia cannot sell arms to Venezuela or Syria? Georgia does not want to be in Russia sphere, rather in NATO - and it is Georgia (and NATO's) choice. Just as Venezuela or Cuba got every right to resist US influence and be close to Russia.

What does this have to do with NATO? Canada, France, Britain, Germany, etc, aren't arming Georgia; the US is (the Russians even confiscated American equipment when they kicked Georgia's ass). You think NATO is willing to give weapons to a proven lunatic so we can all fight Russia in an endwar?

Seriously, our men in Brussels would have to be truly screwed in the head to ever seriously suggest allowing Georgia into NATO. It is the US who is pushing it because of US geostrategy to encircle Russia and cut it off from the rest of Eurasia (hence the American "missile shield" in Eastern Europe).

And I repeat: Why would the EU accept Georgia as a member? EU won't accept Turkey because of various factors, none of which include murdering peacekeepers in order to provoke war with a regional superpower.

Georgia is a wildcard in the region, hence why the US is backing it. The US wants Georgia to cause as much trouble for Russia as it possibly can, to keep Russia tied up on that front instead of progressing elsewhere. There will be no Georgian integration into NATO or the EU; they are just prospects dangled in front of Saakashvili to make him do stupid things for his new friends.

The US is hardly alone in suppling weapons to Georgia. 14 members of NATO do so as does Ukraine and Israel. Turkey in particular has played a role in rebuilding a training. The only problem with Georgia's NATO membership is that it has Russian troops in its territory. This complicates things.

Originally posted by victor7
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

Regarding 20+ members, even if 1 member refuses the Georgian entry then NATO cannot take it as a new member.

Who will do this work for Russia? Greece comes to mind right away. Any others?

Russia should try to get the real tune of the Georgian people because that is what is longer term. Current President of Georgian is a crazy power drunk type but his term is going to end soon I think.

Why does it have to be for Russia's sake? I would hope that Georgia is rejected because they are proven to be aggressive and unstable.

MrSpad-
The US is hardly alone in suppling weapons to Georgia. 14 members of NATO do so as does Ukraine and Israel. Turkey in particular has played a role in rebuilding a training. The only problem with Georgia's NATO membership is that it has Russian troops in its territory. This complicates things.

So you don't see the problem that Georgia presents when it bombs thousands of civilians and murders peacekeepers in order to provoke a war with Russia?

If it is really NATO's plan to absorb Georgia, then it should be made clear that NATO is absorbing a nation that is certainly willing to suck NATO into a war with Russia.