Chemtrail Believer Since 2011

reply to post by Snoopy1978

As I said, in areas closer to the equator it probably has something to do with the fact that upper air conditions are less conducive to contrail formation than in more temperate areas. It could also have to do with the fact that there is much less air traffic there.

It may have first become obvious to you but, as I said, there are people who remember the 80's and 90's differently than you do. Who's memories are more valid? But there is no doubt that there has been an increase in air traffic since then, thus more contrails.
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reply to post by dw31243


Three in the afternoon here.

Glad you have such a worldly view on things...

Originally posted by Snoopy1978
reply to post by AtlantisX99

 

The patterns criss-crossed and stayed up for long periods of time and finally widen in blanketing manner as they dissipated? My memory must be very bad then maybe chemtrails are the cause. Hah! I made my point.

You made a point? where??

Told you in my previous post that I am on the fence regarding this subject, I just pointed out that I remember trails in the sky when I was a kid and IF they were chemtrails as you say, they have not affected my memory so in your case, perhaps you should put down the crack pipe

I jest.

However, I did find these two old articles that you might find interesting.

1 - In favour of Chemtrails

CHEMTRAIL SUNSCREEN TAUGHT IN US SCHOOLS

2 - In favour of Contrails

Chemtrail Myths

reply to post by Snoopy1978

Interesting. Your description sounds almost exactly like this paper about studying contrails, from 1970:

The spreading out of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exist from 25,000 to 40,000ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.

journals.ametsoc.org...

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by dw31243

 

..I'm interested in correcting misinformation and lies.

edit on 2/5/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Did you get around to casting your critical and discerning eye over the 9/11 footage yet?
I haven't heard a peep!

To the OP : Those co-operating in this worldwide chemical spraying operation have
most likely been fed plausible doomsday scenario BS, and probably consider their actions
heroic and themselves silent saviours of humanity.
Death threats to themselves and their families (necessary considering the enormity of the
situation faced/presented) seems more plausible as a deterrent to speaking out!
$15,000 seems on the low/insignificant side.

Originally posted by Snoopy1978
I have also travelled throughout the Americas extensively and have seen none of these either. I should note that south america has diverse climates ranging from tropical, dry desert and cold mountain types yet no contrails experienced such as in the post 911 US.

Aircrap.org says there are chemtrails over Brazil - that's in South America isn't it, and isn't that the type of contrails you are refering to??

Alternatively here's a photo of a contrail and shadow over Brazil

Perhaps next time you could do just a smidgen of research.

Originally posted by dw31243
reply to post by Phage

 

It is amazing of how many ATS users I can get online at 12:41am posting against Chemtrails.

UTC-12 here - what's your excuse?

Are you really that dedicated of proving something against clouds?

Love denying ignorance.

Sock Puppets>?

Yeah - well you dont' have to be - you could start actually evaluating evidence against reality instead of just accepting the word of some hucksters - start thinking for yourself for a change - it'll help.

reply to post by Snoopy1978

Contrails, yeah sure. Where were they for 25+ years?!

How about in the sky above you.



Look at that a formation of planes and their contrails in WWII.

Why don't you take a gander at this...

www.457thbombgroup.org...

That should answer your question.

reply to post by pshea38

Death threats to themselves and their families (necessary considering the enormity of the situation faced/presented) seems more plausible as a deterrent to speaking out! $15,000 seems on the low/insignificant side.

Anything to back that claim up or did you just pull that out of your hat?

The trails that jets leave behind grow, creating thin, cirrus-style clouds that aviation officials say result from www-pm.larc.nasa.gov...water vapor from engine exhausts and in the air turning to ice crystals.

www-pm.larc.nasa.gov...

Here is a little more for you...

A lingering concern

If conditions are right, newly formed contrails will begin feeding off surrounding water vapor. Like vaporous cancers, they start growing and spreading. In time, they can expand horizontally to such an extent that they become indistinguishable from cirrus clouds, those thin, diaphanous sheets often seen way up high. These artificial cirrus clouds can last for many hours, and the amount of sky they end up covering can be astonishing. One study showed that contrails from just six aircraft expanded to shroud some 7,700 square miles.

www.pbs.org...

Sounds exactly what chemtrail believers are saying contrails can't do, imagine that..

reply to post by Snoopy1978

The patterns criss-crossed and stayed up for long periods of time and finally widen in blanketing manner as they dissipated? My memory must be very bad then maybe chemtrails are the cause. Hah! I made my point.

Hah! you made no point at all,and did they look like this...



or maybe this will help..



Notice the cloud cover in the pic above, I guess there had to have been a butt load of planes spraying chemicals to get that kind of cover.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h

......I guess there had to have been a butt load of planes spraying chemicals to get that kind of cover.

You have nicely zeroed-in on the problem that the "khemtrail krowd" just don't seem to grasp.

Not only are EVERY "chemtrail" photo showing exactly what would be seen, and are known, as CONTRAILS, that are being formed directly aft in in the exhaust trails of the engines....

.....the mathematics of such an endeavor, if it were actually being done (the alleged "spraying" of something) is the proof, immediately, of the fallacy.

Firstly, one has to come up with the "material" that is being "sprayed"...(the many "khemtrail krowd" suggestions cannot even agree on that!!).

Secondly, one has to account for the maths, as mentioned -- to find some way to describe this "spraying" logically, in terms of known payload limitations and to result in what is observed.

SO far, not ONE "khemtrail krowd" proponent has been able to provide a scientific underpinning to their "klaims"....

Not one.......

reply to post by ProudBird


Unless they can pull the proverbial rabbit out of their hats I don't see that evidence ever being posted in this or any other forum. But it is fun and a bit sad that they keep trying, and trying somewhat like the Energizer bunny that keeps going and going. Also to borrow a line from A few good men.....



This is the perfect answer for the chemtrailers.

reply to post by dw31243


As a so-called "believer", please provide evidence as to how "it" is being done::

Can you explain the exact process?

Can you explain why every telephoto image of airplanes, taken by cameras on the ground, show every time the same thing? Contrails forming just in-line with the engines on the airplane.....just as we all say they will?

Can you explain what "fleets" of airplanes are "responsible" for this so-called "chemtrailing"?

Can you provide any evidence, at all? To include the manufacturing locations of these supposed "chemicals", and then the distribution methods that are used to transport these "chemicals" from where they are manufactured, to the airports where they are then "loaded" on to the airplanes?

ANY bit of evidence would be a great start.....just something!!

Because, so far....there is nothing.


Thanks in advance......

So we know contrails exist and possibly chemtrails. The existance of one does not negate the other. I'm open to both as a cause of cloud cover especially as I'm starting to see a dozen or two of these planes on one day and next day I won't see any.

We all know global warming is an issue. I hope these pilots believe they are helping to save the planet. It's costing somebody a shed load of money to put all these planes up there all day long, month after month, but never on regular paths. They are noticably random from ground level and that goes for their altitude.also.

The BBC has aired plenty of discussion programs on geoengineering and a few pages on it's website.

Here's a good one:
BBC provides a selection of geoengineering options
Please note option 2 - Atmospheric Aerosols and the nice chart below that shows it's the less expensive and most effective method at present (provided by The Royal Society, I'd bet they had some info on their website too)

reply to post by lostjohnny


Yes indeed.....the BBC article is well known.

It discusses the state of affairs of possibilities.....NOT that any of those proposals have been implemented.

Carefully reading the BBC source is important......

Now let me first start off by saying that I believe our government is capable of doing things behind our backs I just don't know about this one. In my opinion, if I were the government and I wanted to spray the people, I would find a way to do it so that it wouldn't create visible clouds. Just a thought. Around where I live the only thing we get from the planes trails is cloudy skys every now and again but as the earlier reply showed that happens naturally exspecially if you live in line with an airport. Over all I guess I just have to think that if they want to poison us there are much better ways to do it other than openly spray things that are visible to us. Just look at how much of a distraction that this subject is from other more important things. It keeps alot of people busy, that;s for sure.

reply to post by dw31243


I will confirm my belief as well, for this is a hard down played subject let the truth ring loud and clear.
www.carnicominstitute.org... and at the bottom of that page hit go back to for a hell of a lot more links. This is big really big and a travesty to us all.
Wish you well.

reply to post by ProudBird


How do they know it's the most effective way of reducing temp if they haven't already tried it?

Planes doing U-turns over my house - not your usual commercial flight manoeuvre. Then there's the sticky black stuff that we have to scrape off our roof windows. Then there's the cirrus type clouds appearing at stratus level. These are usually preceded by small planes flying at 8000 to 12000 ft and sometimes at night.

After a load of local interest, our TV station and papers did stories on how the military are using our low level airspace to practice for the Olympics where they are obviously expecting another 9/11. We have lots of hills, fields and woodlands here, unlike the flat city of London.

We all know global warming is an issue. I hope these pilots believe they are helping to save the planet. It's costing somebody a shed load of money to put all these planes up there all day long, month after month, but never on regular paths. They are noticably random from ground level and that goes for their altitude.also.

Here's a Rothschild plugging his new 10 day weather forcasting service.

reply to post by ProudBird


These guys have a fleet of pilots and planes and can modify your plane to perform cloud seeding.

Weather Modification Incorporated North Dakota

reply to post by lostjohnny


They use of army/navy Military USAF and commercial planes. This chemicals consist of bacteria, plastic, barium, toluene, chlorine, petroleum and many other toxic heavy metals. This will cause mutated genes in DNA and possibly grow another strand to form a triple helix. They affect all bodily organs and kill most plants. This may actually cause a little ice age. Did you know the last one was caused by too much rain and loss of vegetation which caused more methane to dominate the air. They conclude it is to protect us/hence them not us.The EPA refused to test it. In the link I'm leaving you. www.carnicom.com...
The Agenda 21 bugger is lethal and very debilitating for many usually in high seeked land and useless eaters.
This is an EPA page very interesting to say the least. nlquery.epa.gov... me%2Fcomments.htm&areasearchurl=&result_template=epafiles_default.xsl&filter=sample4filt.hts
Napa valley has the highest rate of Cancer due to the spraying, blog.epa.gov...-39462
The EPA is not doing what it can for clean air.