Israel no match for Iran military might

reply to post by xuenchen

Israel no match for Iran military might

Israel has rarely been a 'match' for an enemy. In its earliest conflicts, it used modified Sherman tanks leftover from WW2 to fight off superiority in both design and numbers. Israel's population is no match either, for any of her neighbors.

Where the scale was balanced was in quality; training and strategy. Over time, the Jewish state gained hard-earned respect from her adversaries as well as her allies because of that quality. She defied the odds and won because of it.

Of course, many will attribute her longevity as a nation directly to the US. But there was a time when Israel took the Suez and Russia and the US stood together, firm to see it released. And before that... before the birth of the modern state of Israel, it was the Jews that fought a guerrilla war against the British.

Comparing Israel to Iran in numbers of boots and weaponry is not unlike comparing Iran to the US for the same. But the US is in no doubt about the potential for losses in a war with Iran... so if Iran has missed this point with Israel, she may well follow all those that made the same mistake in the past.

reply to post by Xcathdra


I did not accuse YOU of photoshoping. I am saying, it is not difficult to Photoshop these things. Observe:

Originally posted by MissSinFull
just to give you an idea
Israel
www.globalfirepower.com...

Iran
www.globalfirepower.com...

"GFP provides a unique analytical display of data covering global military powers with statistics compiled through various sources. All manner of countries are considered in the ranking, a spectrum helping to produce a near-complete comparison of relative military strengths from across the globe"

A major issue is missed by "Firepower" are nukes. Israel gets hit hard in one of its cities and the nukes will fly. Once Iran has a couple of its major cities turned to glass I think you will find that Iran has a significant change of attitude about things. Sure Israel will get hit back with missiles from Hamas but nothing close to Israeli nuclear missiles. It will be terrible and everybody will lose. But, better now than after Iran has nukes of their own.

Russia and China will stay out of it because they have no interest in being the target of a few Israeli nukes too. Sure in an all out nuclear exchange between Russia and Israel, Israel will be destroyed. But just like the cold war and its MAD philosophy Russia will not choose to involve itself. Israel has no choice if Iran and its proxies hit Israeli cities hard. They will nuke Iran and its proxies. Russia has a choice, sit it out and then pick the bones of the loser.

Just my opinion.

reply to post by xuenchen


Just a FYI, Isreal has been kicking all there butts overthe last 60 years, it is politics that have let the other countries think that they are a strong force...If the gloves came off, Isreal will win hands down...
Have any of you actually seen some of the other countries military forces? Isreal would clean the floor with them.

Israel has the most powerful Air Force in the world.People are realy laughable.If Israel strikes Iran, Israels problem is all the crazy lunatics surrounding them.Not like Iran has the greatest missle sin the world either.If they get a nuke and a war would break out between Iran and Israel,Iran is crazy enough to use the nuke on Israel.Then Iran would be nuked to death by Israel and the U.S.
That would be castistrophic if that would happen to the entire world.

Iran is not gonna beat Israel in a war.

Originally posted by Ancient Champion

Originally posted by mikeprodigy
Israel has a arsenal of nukes Iran does not.

And you know this how? Did you go over to Iran and check?

Israel has @ 300 nukes, Iran is working to develop their first one. One does not need to go over to Iran to check to know this, the IAEA tells us this.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

I did not accuse YOU of photoshoping. I am saying, it is not difficult to Photoshop these things. Observe:

Good one !!!

The "theme" fits the "glove"

Looked at objectively, without invoking Zionist thugs or Muslim hordes. the two countries are roughly equal in terms of overall strength. The issue is, for what? Iran has 600,000 soldiers under arms, but 50 helicopters for transport. You are not going to see Iran attack Israel on the ground any time soon. Israel has a completely modern air force of over 1,000 planes operational. Iran has a couple hundred, with half of them being F-4 and F-4 airplanes left over from the Shah. It's not as if Iran can gain air superiority any time soon.

But from a defensive point of view, Iran is in good shape. The country is full of mountains and is equivalent to Afghanistan in terms of ruggedness. No one can successfully invade Iran any time soon. Here its army can be used to advantage. Given that you need a 3:1 advantage to invade a homeland, there isn't an army in the world that can invade Iran successfully.

So it's a bit of a stalemate. Iran is 1,000 miles from Tel Aviv, so the idea of anything on the ground is really an absurd idea on the face of it. About all Israel can do is bomb the hell out of Iran's nuke facilities, but that's completely risky. IMO we're facing another MAD scenario. It worked before. Hopefully it will work again.

If you take the gloves off, Isreal has the balls and the ability to wipe out all the cities, so all of Iran would be taken back 200 years...like a lot of the vast tribal areas. Then there is no contest.
What your overlooking..is that other groups hit religious areas for Isreal, yet Isreal is being the bigger person and leaving there religious area alone...so if the gloves come off...I could see Isreal gaining a lot of new territtory too.

I'm not 100% sure with this, but

If this is the same "Mohammad Marandi", then what may we be learning from his "profile":

Seyed Mohammad Marandi
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seyed Mohammad Marandi, a graduate of Birmingham University and associate professor of English Literature at University of Tehran, is the founder and director of Institute for North American and European Studies (INAES).[1] [color=limegreen]Marandi, born in 1966 in Richmond, Virginia, is the son of the former Iranian Health Care Minister and present Iranian Member of Parliament, Alireza Marandi,[2] and a solid supporter of the Islamic Republic and its leader, Seyed Ali Khamenei.[3] He also used to be a frequent interlocutor at international news networks such as CNN,[4] BBC,[5] Al Jazeera,[6] and Press TV,[7] where he frequently supported the policies of the Islamic Republic with regard to its nuclear program[8][9] and the pacification of the Iranian domestic demonstrations following the presidential elections of 2009.[10][11][12] However, recently, he has generally and most frequently appeared only in Russia Today to defend the stance of the Islamic Republic establishment against a probable joint American-Israeli invasion of Iran's nuclear facilities.[13][14][15]

In the world of academy, Marandi's main focus of concern has been the project INAES. This institute, starting as a subsidiary arm to the Faculty of Foreign Languages and Literature of University of Tehran just a few years ago, is now a full-fledged independent center essentially concerned with post-colonial studies with a particular concentration on the critique of Orientalism, as promoted by such figures as Edward Said, Ziauddin Sardar, and Bill Ashcroft.[16]

notice: "is now a full-fledged independent center essentially concerned with post-colonial studies with a particular concentration on the critique of Orientalism"

"post-colonial studies " .... Hmmm.

sounds like a "business survey"


Seyed Mohammad Marandi

There are plenty of scenarios that could play out, and Iran does have a good defensive position.

As more, and more time goes by I worry more and more about the Zionist threat. Everyday it seems more likely that there are factions of the Zionist movement who would use preemptive nuclear war, under the assumption, true or false, they had backing to do so.

Iran is surrounded by mountains. It is almost impossible to occupy Iran, and forcibly replace its government. Even for the US, the size of the Army would have to be greatly expanded before any occupation of Iran could be successful.
Iran has scattered its nuclear program. An Israeli airstrike would destroy a small percentage of Irans facilities. Iran now has an excuse to build the bomb.
Iran may already own bombs, from the black market.
Iran has tens of thousands of missiles. They can destroy Dimona and turn Israel into a burning mess.
Israel atom bombs Iran we have WWIII with China and Russia backing Iran.
Once Israel bombs Iran, the end of Israel is mathematical. Iran may also be destroyed, but it is hard to see how this sequence of events benefits Israel.
Teddy Roosevelt had it right - speak softly and carry a big stick.

reply to post by Gorman91


I never said you accused me of it. I was telling you the poster Alf88 accused me of photoshoppping it. Now he is dismissing the info because apparently western media cant be trusted. Apparently, as I stated before, he will ignore any facts that do not support his argument.

Specifically the info I posted is from the IRIB - Iranian controlled media.

Apparently they were lying.

reply to post by ALF88


I did provide you with the info...
I provided you with the links...
I provded you with the wikipedia site and directed you to the bottom of the page where all the resources can be found.

By all means though keep appologizing for Iran.. You do such a good job of it.

As a side note are you that completely incompetant that you cant refute my info with facts of your own? All I see is you throwing a temper tantrum and calling me names.

Do you have anything to back your argument up other than liar liar pants on fire?

Originally posted by Matt1951
Iran is surrounded by mountains. It is almost impossible to occupy Iran, and forcibly replace its government. Even for the US, the size of the Army would have to be greatly expanded before any occupation of Iran could be successful.
Iran has scattered its nuclear program. An Israeli airstrike would destroy a small percentage of Irans facilities. Iran now has an excuse to build the bomb.
Iran may already own bombs, from the black market.
Iran has tens of thousands of missiles. They can destroy Dimona and turn Israel into a burning mess.
Israel atom bombs Iran we have WWIII with China and Russia backing Iran.
Once Israel bombs Iran, the end of Israel is mathematical. Iran may also be destroyed, but it is hard to see how this sequence of events benefits Israel.
Teddy Roosevelt had it right - speak softly and carry a big stick.

I can only repeat Albert Pikes words:

The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the"agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.

Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral,spiritual and economical exhaustion«We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction,anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of
Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

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I fear you are absolutely correct.

The terms used here to stereotype an entire nation; Israel, is every bit as racist as anything I have ever seen.

Using the word 'zionist' does not relive this because one must assume too much of complete strangers for it to be anything but.

Unfortunately, current trendiness and political popularity spurs on such prejudices... and will ultimately lead to one of two endings...

... mostly silence. When one outgrows the age when such vulnerability is possible, there is the embarrassing realization of having ever been there to begin with.

Nobody is perfect. Our nations are no less imperfect and there is no way to assume a throne of being right when dealing with them. Iran, Israel... someday it will be obvious be for now?

Originally posted by Xcathdra
I did provide you with the info...

You provided us with a picture! A screenshot! Not a link to the IRIB Homepage so we can see that the article is not photoshopped as you claim. It is up to you to provide proof in that regard. Up till now you failed to do so.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
I provided you with the links...
I provded you with the wikipedia site and directed you to the bottom of the page where all the resources can be found.

...and you blatantly ignored the section in the Wikipedia article that deals with the mistranslation, as it doesn't fit your world view.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
As a side note are you that completely incompetant that you cant refute my info with facts of your own? All I see is you throwing a temper tantrum and calling me names.

Rightfully so, you are presenting links that question / contradict your claims. (Wikipedia) and if you keep insisting that Ahmadinejad has said, that Israel has to be wiped of the map, despite the fact that it has been proven to be a lie, then there is nothing left for me to say, apart from you are a LIAR!

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Do you have anything to back your argument up other than liar liar pants on fire?

Wikipedia proves you wrong! Your own link! But fine here is a mainstream article that proves you wrong as well:

Then, specialists such as Juan Cole of the University of Michigan and Arash Norouzi of the Mossadegh Project pointed out that the original statement in Persian did not say that Israel should be wiped from the map, but instead that it would collapse.

Cole said this week that in the 1980s Khomeini gave a speech in which he said in Persian “Een rezhim-i eshghalgar-i Quds bayad az sahneh-i ruzgar mahv shaved.” This means, “This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena of time.” But then anonymous wire service translators rendered Khomeini as saying that Israel “must be wiped off the face of the map,” which Cole and Nourouzi say is inaccurate.

Ahmadinejad slightly misquoted Khomeini, substituting “safheh-i ruzgar,” or “page of time" for "sahneh-i ruzgar" or “arena of time.” But in any case, the old translation was dug up and used again by the Iranian news agency, Cole says. In fact, that’s how it was presented for years on Ahmadinejad’s English-language Web site, as the Times noted in a somewhat defensive article on the translation debate.

www.washingtonpost.com...


Now, the Washington Post keeps on demonizing Iran and speculating if they can somehow interpret "wipe of the map" into the statements, but please mark, we are only talking about the"wipe of the map" quote here and it was proven to be wrong by Farsi experts!

Still media and politicians all over the world keep repeating that lie, and use it as a pretext to threaten Iran, and you gullible as you seem to be "eat" what they "feed" you.

Here is another link:

It's becoming clear. The statements of the Iranian President have been reflected by the media in a manipulated way. Iran's President betokens the removal of the regimes, that are in power in Israel and in the USA, to be possible aim for the future. This is correct. But he never demands the elimination or annihilation of Israel. He reveals that changes are potential. The Shah-Regime being supported by the USA in its own country has been vanquished. The eastern governance of the Soviet Union collapsed. Saddam Hussein's dominion drew to a close. Referring to this he voices his aspiration that changes will also be feasible in Israel respectively in Palestine. He adduces Ayatollah Khomeini referring to the Shah-Regime who in this context said that the regime (meaning the Shah-Regime) should be removed.

www.informationclearinghouse.info...

Originally posted by Matt1951
reply to post by ALF88

 

I fear you are absolutely correct.

There is still time to prevent that war, but it sure doesn't look good.

Originally posted by ALF88
You provided us with a picture! A screenshot! Not a link to the IRIB Homepage so we can see that the article is not photoshopped as you claim. It is up to you to provide proof in that regard. Up till now you failed to do so.

Nope I provided you with a link as well. Actually I provided that link more than once. You are jsut ignoring it.

Originally posted by ALF88
...and you blatantly ignored the section in the Wikipedia article that deals with the mistranslation, as it doesn't fit your world view.

You should keep reading after that part instead of stopping where it supports your argument. Specifically the sections discussing western media using the IRIB article as is, which included wiping Israel off the map.

Originally posted by ALF88
Rightfully though, you are presenting links that question / contradict your claims. (Wikipedia) and if you keep insisting that Ahmadinejad has said, that Israel has to be wiped of the map, despite the fact that it has been proven to be a lie, then there is nothing left for me to say, apart from you are a LIAR!

aaawwwww mongo no like.... What part of Iran are you from?

Originally posted by ALF88
Wikipedia proves you wrong! Your own link! But fine here is a mainstream article that proves you wrong as well:

Where the 1st resource at the bottom of the page is the IRIB article I linked and posted in the thread. Any reason you keep trying to jump around that fact?

Originally posted by ALF88
Now, the Washington Post keeps on demonizing Iran and speculating if they can somehow interpret " wipe of the map" into the statements, but please mark, we are only talking about the wipe of the map quote here and it was proven to be wrong by Farsi experts!

that would be ebcause ahmadenijad stated it. Actually more than once and I provided those sources as well, which apprently you ignored. I also included the latest comment from the Ayatollah stating Israel would be wiped out.

How are you going to spin that info? More western propoganda? There is even a video of the Ayatollahs speech where he stated it. Please humor me and explain how thats not calling for the elimination of Israel?

Originally posted by ALF88
Still media and politicians all over the world keep repeating that lie and use it as a pretext to threaten Iran and you gullible as you seem to be "eat" what they "feed" you.

Because its not a lie, as has been shown to you time and time again. Next step would be for you to read the information in its ENTIRETY.


How is the weather in the state of denial?