Strange thing I found when researching Ali Khamenei

I am going to quote from wikipedia if anyone has any legitimate sources please do share.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has issued a fatwa saying the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons was forbidden under Islam. The fatwa was cited in an official statement by the Iranian government at an August 2005 meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna.

Iran's nuclear program has been a subject of international debate for decades. The Iranian government claims the purpose of its nuclear development is to produce electricity, while some western countries accuse it of trying to create nuclear weapons

Sources: www.rferl.org...

Strange indeed.

If the Iranian regime are telling the truth, and they are actually following what they preach then the west is simply war mongering and has some other interest in the middle east, no doubt oil.

However, if they are trying to create nuclear weapons they are setting a terrible example for Islam and showing the west that caution is needed when dealing with Muslim countries.

We won't know for certain however, until it hits the fan.

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Quran doesn't say anything about nuclear weapons.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
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Quran doesn't say anything about nuclear weapons.

Then, I wonder why the surpeme leader of an Islamic state governed by Islamic law would make such a statement, the mystery thickens.

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From the Asia Times. Not sure how reliable it is though, it talks about the fatwa near the end in bullet point.

Edit: Link to where Ayatollah Ali Khamenei condemned the attacks on 9/11 and warned that "saying that if the Americans send in their troops, they would only face more problems." I didn't realize they blamed Afghanistan that quickly. Seems he was right about that, maybe he is someone they should listen to. He doesn't make a strong case for Iran to want to destroy the west as some people think they want to do.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
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Quran doesn't say anything about nuclear weapons.

Lol, yeahh..... how many nukes were around in the 7th century?

Fortunately, religions evolve beyond their founding doctrines by many different means, and apply to much more then simply killing wild donkeys.

Use your noodle.

reply to post by ClydeFrog42


The quran is a book for all times, even to this day it is relevant.

We are a simple people that just like disco dancing.
No nukes here.

Peace be upon you.

- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad



I believe em!

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
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The quran is a book for all times, even to this day it is relevant.

So... then.... why doesnt it say anything about nukes? Surely, something for "all time" would broach the subject of nuclear annihilation............ and flying cars....... Mcdonalds.... chicken sandwich.......

Religious doctrines change. As per the OP. Am i mistaken? As society moves into the future, so too does religion. Not exactly some stagnant "thing" removed from time. Though, it may have some catching up to do.

Clearly the Quran is relevant for muslims... its their bible? hello, capt. obvious.

Things you say = could use some work

Producing,and using any forms of WMD's are against Islamic believes,therefore they are considered to be HARAAM,..meaning ,Can't do,disobeying god,instant discharge....it's like you invite them to a public dinner and watch them go crazy with the pork chops and beers!....it ain't gonna happen man,it just isn't.

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We won't know for certain however, until it hits the fan.

So should we wait around til it happens?

Or should we do something about it?

The frightening thing is, if Iran is being deceptive in its Nuclear ambitions the muslim world believe this Ayatollah is the voice of Islam and will do as he commands. He, bascially has the power to issue a fatwa for all muslims to engage western countries in the name is Islam, similar to what Osama Bin Laden did several times. The only difference is O.B.L was an exiled arab, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is the Supreme Leader of one if not the most prominent and vocal Middle eastern countries with support from Moscow and Beijing.

Originally posted by tvtexan
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We won't know for certain however, until it hits the fan.

So should we wait around til it happens?

Or should we do something about it?

Sorry for double post

I personally think we should act but minimise any civilian casualties, simply place a trade embargo on Iran and prevent any other sourcing of materials needed to produce the weapons if that is there goal and continue with the diplomatic efforts. Although, I'm not politician and my idea is likely flawed in several ways.

"Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, or an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save food for yourself. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."

- Abu Bakr, First Caliph (Muhammad's First Successor)

If Khamenei respects the words of Abu Bakr, then this quote could be an Islamic precedent against nuclear weapons.

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However, if they are trying to create nuclear weapons they are setting a terrible example for Islam and showing the west that caution is needed when dealing with Muslim countries.

NO!

No, No, No,

The Iranian hardline Religious nut-jobs in charge are not representative of Islam. Real Islam is peaceful. [So I hear and I'll take that on face value] Iran has been sponsoring covert acts against their neighbors.[Whether many here want to believe or acknowledge that fact or not] for decades.

The Iranian people [Mostly Persians] are awesome people.

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Your right Slayer, even if Khamenei is a Supreme Leader, its of Shiìte Muslims not all, and Islam is intended to be a peaceful religion. I am a full-on Canadian living in Algeria, 99% Muslim country, not a foreigner in sight, and the people here are peaceful!!! NORMAL. They love God, they love their families, they work hard with basics, and they appreciate the land. That`s all, they should just be left alone or allowed to develop to improve living standards. Most houses here are built out of cement cinder blocks, that`s it!!! If it rains, or the wind blows too hard, the power is out, you build a fire to survive, to keep warm, to make bread. Iran is the same premise, only they have improved their living standards, and now they are a target!!!! Scary times are coming, cause if this is all you had, and it was going to be taken from you, you would fight tooth and nail too. I don`t think they have nuclear weapons. It`s a lie.

If you think this guy is a standard Muslim then all muslims want to kill infidels,which isn't in the Quran is it? Iran is the seed of most terrorism, these guys have been at it for years.The leadership is not acting within the tenants of any faith,in fact Wahabists say they may do as they they wish to any infidel as they are beneath the Muslim follower. where is that in the Quran?

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Quran doesn't say anything about nuclear weapons

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL

The quran is a book for all times, even to this day it is relevant

Well I'm sure glad you squared that away for us.
So, Tell us Professor, I mean PROFESSIONAL how exactly does the return of The 12th Imam fit in with Iran possibly developing and/or obtaining Nukes?

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The 12th Imam thing is hogwash, they are waiting for the Imam Mahdi, meaning the guided Imam, the righteous one who will fight against the powers of the antichrist.

During the Iraq-Iran war, Iran still possessed some of the Shah's chemical weapons. When the Iraqis used chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers, the theocratical regime refused to use their own WMDs in retaliation. So there is precedent, which shows, that at least Khomeini meant what he said.

That said, even if a leader genuinely believes and cares about nonproliferation and vows to never use horrible weapons - you cannot predict how his successors will behave in the future. Regardless if the system is a democracy, dictatorship, fascism, theocracy or communism - sociopaths tend to rise to the top.

I believe sociopaths mustn't be allowed to have command over nuclear weapons. I Therefore oppose any proliferation of nuclear weapons, even if such prevention is unjust, because it is only applied selectively on some countries while others like Israel get a free pass.

That said there is no evidence, that Iran has diverted any nuclear material for a weapons program. The inspection process has already been politicized to justify sanctions against Iran. The important new allegations are based upon documents retrieved from the Iranian laptop of death. I advise everyone to just look up how this laptop was acquired and what experts say about the nature of these documents.

In 2006, that might have changed due to Ahmadinejad.

IRANIAN FATWA APPROVES USE OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS

In yet another sign of Teheran's stiffening resolve on the nuclear issue, influential Muslim clerics have for the first time questioned the theocracy's traditional stance that Sharia law forbade the use of nuclear weapons.

One senior mullah has now said it is "only natural" to have nuclear bombs as a "countermeasure" against other nuclear powers, thought to be a reference to America and Israel.

The pronouncement is particularly worrying because it has come from Mohsen Gharavian, a disciple of the ultra-conservative Ayatollah Mohammad Taghi Mesbah-Yazdi, who is widely regarded as the cleric closest to Iran's new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

www.telegraph.co.uk...