One Million Moms rally at JcPenny's to fire Ellen Degeneres for being GAY!

reply to post by Annee


Now I can tell you why and how we have a secular government that is based on commerce laws.
Can you elaborate on what you believe your rights are derived from in this sense?

Because you have no rights, or special rights from the angle I believe you are leading into. You are granted liberties, but no special rights. Your liberties come from the magna Chartre This is the preceeding law.
And it is liberty granted to sovereign people by their creator, not the state.
As for marriage the answer would be simple.
Remove marriage as a contract with the state that makes children commerce in the eyes of the state.
Let marriage retake the original meaning in it's religious context to sovereign people to be between a man/woman/God.
But you want to do it all by force through government, which treads on other peoples liberties. In doing so you give up any rights or liberties granted to sovereign people as you freely grant sovereignty to the state. As much as you want to pretend to believe otherwise, I highly doubt you have any idea where these supposed rights come from. I will state clearly, you have no rights, especially at the expense of others liberty. In so doing or attempting to do it through the state, you freely give it all away to the state. So it is the state that has all the rights at this point as you become a bondslave. Get it? doubt it!

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

Could it be that the counterculture was against the state's involvement of marriage?

Ok let's clarify this point then. If the counterculture wanted the State out of their desire to live together, then why do Gays need the State to live together? Could it be that this is more about visiting dying people in hospitals and getting health insurance or what happens to the estate when someone dies? Taxes? inheritances? Or is it a need to be accepted by society?
Clearly Gays want the State involved if they are demanding laws be changed.

Why do any of us need the state to be married? If affords us legal rights. The counterculture was a whole different animal back then. Most gays don't want to be counterculture, they want to be a part of our society - equal - with equal rights. If you have the right to get that marriage license, then so should they.

BTW, the counterculture still had the right to get that marriage license - they just exercised their freedom not to get it. Gays don't have that choice. They want the choice. What's so wrong with having the same legal choices that you have? They are citizens of America and pay taxes just like you do.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
Then why is this entire thread about 'protecting' Ellen from the "anti-gay" Million Moms?

See I thought it was actually highlighting the stupidity and ignorance of a group of bigoted women in the 21st century?

I didn't think it was about "protecting" Ellen?

What words would you prefer me to use today to describe my views or to make my point? Can we poor unenlightened straight people get a memo so we know what word is appropriate this week?

Er... I'm straight? You think because someone argues for equality or argues against homophobia and bigotry that they are automatically gay?



Yeah... okaaaayy



The point is there is no "Gay Agenda"..... there is only a desire by many different groups, not only gays, to be recognised and protected by the law as equal citizens.

That's it.

Anything else you want to throw in there is on you.

People can also hate whoever they wish, like whoever they wish, do business with whoever they wish, associate with whoever they wish... and there is nothing... nothing that anyone can do to change that.

Er... no they can't? What world do you live in... damn.
You go and try and eject a Black person or Gay person or Disabled person or white person from your business on the grounds of their colour, sexual orientation or ability... and see what happens...

Like whoever... fine... associate with whoever...great...hate whoever...awesome...

But no... you cannot discriminate on those grounds as a business.

Unless Dr. Paul gets in

reply to post by manna2


Thank you for articulating the point about our inalienable rights being granted by our Creator and not by the State.

reply to post by mnmcandiez

All sins are not equal in God's eyes. All sin is an offense against God and a rejection of his love. But mortal sins cuts off relations from God until one seeks forgiveness. Venial sin weakens relations with God. Far from a bible thumper, but just clarifying.

Moving on, that is absolutely ridiculous that many people think people should stop shopping there just because of a spokesperson. As someone said earlier people really do need to get a hobby. If your really offended, don't shop there. No need to turn this into some anti-homosexual rally.

Originally posted by suspicious22
Do you actively seek to associate with groups/individuals whether it be hetrosexual, gay, republican, democrat, or any groups/individuals that you have no common interestes with. And, whose values are different than yours. I seriously doubt it. However, if you do your are indeed an exceptional person. These million moms are just voicing their displeasure with a company who chose to hire a controversial individual for their spokes person. They did not have any common interests or values with this spokes person and in their opinion it was a bad choice by J.C. Penny Company. They have the right to voice their opinion no matter what you or I think.

Maybe you are right. After all, Ellen has donated hundreds of thousands of her own personal money to help those in need, such as the victims of Katrina -- and to homeless animals. She doesn't have any values in common with these people at all.

reply to post by blupblup


Speaking of disabled people, I'd love to see gays defend the rights of unborn fetuses displaying features of down syndrome. Or liberals in general defending that. They defend the whales, the baby seals, wolves, plants, but not babies in utero who may have disabilities. Why is that? They believe in euthanasia and mercy killing. So, the unborn baby with disabilities somehow has even less rights than gays who want to be married, because now they are not even granted the right to life.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
I'd love to see gays defend the rights of unborn fetuses displaying features of down syndrome.

That really is insulting.

Gays are individuals - - just like everyone else. They are not a group think.

Speaking of the ramifications of the International Socialist subversion of American institutions, I got a letter today which quoted Sonia Sotomayor(the radical judge appointed by the radical current administration) regarding International Law, and it is apparent that she believes that International Law trumps the Laws of individual nations.

"International law and foreign law will be very important in the discussion of how we thnk about the unsettled issues in our own legal system."

What un settled issues is she talking about that we must rely on foreign laws or international law to decide??????? Sharia Law? The UN RIghts of the Child declaring children to no longer be under the guidance of their parents but the State instead? Leave it to the imagination here.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by manna2

 

Thank you for articulating the point about our inalienable rights being granted by our Creator and not by the State.

edit on 5-2-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

Super. So if we can remove the state from having anything to do with marriage and any legal requirements associated, it will only take a license from a church to be considered married. No problem there - there are plenty of churches willing to marry gays in the eyes of God. Church marriage was never the problem.

But until then, the state has ultimate control. So until this glorious time when the government is kicked out of the marriage business, and because the government claims to be a secular institution - gays (as consenting adults and tax-paying citizens) should be able to get a marriage license from the state.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
I'd love to see gays defend the rights of unborn fetuses displaying features of down syndrome.

That really is insulting.

Gays are individuals - - just like everyone else. They are not a group think.

Oh now you want to talk about people as individuals. What happened to all your declarations of Christians being in some group who have no individual ideas and thoughts.
What hypocrisy. Annee you are wonderful at flamethrowing insults but you are suddenly thin-skinned when you feel it coming back your way.

Be insulted all you like.
If you want to talk about liberties, let's talk about unborn babies.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by blupblup

 

Speaking of disabled people, I'd love to see gays defend the rights of unborn fetuses displaying features of down syndrome. Or liberals in general defending that. They defend the whales, the baby seals, wolves, plants, but not babies in utero who may have disabilities. Why is that? They believe in euthanasia and mercy killing. So, the unborn baby with disabilities somehow has even less rights than gays who want to be married, because now they are not even granted the right to life.

Have a look and educate yourself:

www.plagal.org...

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by manna2

 

Thank you for articulating the point about our inalienable rights being granted by our Creator and not by the State.

edit on 5-2-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

Super. So if we can remove the state from having anything to do with marriage and any legal requirements associated, it will only take a license from a church to be considered married. No problem there - there are plenty of churches willing to marry gays in the eyes of God. Church marriage was never the problem.

But until then, the state has ultimate control. So until this glorious time when the government is kicked out of the marriage business, and because the government claims to be a secular institution - gays (as consenting adults and tax-paying citizens) should be able to get a marriage license from the state.

So, is this a matter of getting the State involved or not?

Personally, I think they should have all the fun of legal implications that everyone else does. How fun is it to divide one's common property in a divorce settlement. And should we have a prenup or not? Given the statistics that could be an interesting learning curve.

reply to post by kaylaluv


Ok, great. I'm impressed with that.

reply to post by Manhater


I know how to remedy that...plow them down with a Hummer!!!! They'll clear out quick then. Of course I do not promote violence but then I don't promote stupidity either...people want to burn on OWS but this is OK???

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by manna2

 

Thank you for articulating the point about our inalienable rights being granted by our Creator and not by the State.

edit on 5-2-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

Super. So if we can remove the state from having anything to do with marriage and any legal requirements associated, it will only take a license from a church to be considered married. No problem there - there are plenty of churches willing to marry gays in the eyes of God. Church marriage was never the problem.

But until then, the state has ultimate control. So until this glorious time when the government is kicked out of the marriage business, and because the government claims to be a secular institution - gays (as consenting adults and tax-paying citizens) should be able to get a marriage license from the state.

So, is this a matter of getting the State involved or not?

Like I said, if the state was no longer in charge of marriage licenses for ANYONE - gay or straight - then there's no issue. But because the state IS very much in charge of marriage licenses for straights - gays want the state to provide them licenses as well. I'm not really sure how I could make that more clear.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

Ok, great. I'm impressed with that.

You see, this just proves my point that you and others like you are members of a hate group who hates gays and lesbians with all your heart. Nothing will ever break through that hate because it is not based on logic or reason. You just said that no gays support the unborn fetus. I proved you wrong, but you won't admit it. This is hate at its worst.

Doesn't matter, though, because people like you are in the minority. Things are changing in this country regarding equal rights for gays, and you can't stop it.

reply to post by kaylaluv


Yes, I understand that. I understand that marriage is a commitment beyond the simple mechanics of co-habitation. It comes with more responsibility as well. And deep ramifications in the event of a split.

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

Ok, great. I'm impressed with that.

You see, this just proves my point that you and others like you are members of a hate group who hates gays and lesbians with all your heart. Nothing will ever break through that hate because it is not based on logic or reason. You just said that no gays support the unborn fetus. I proved you wrong, but you won't admit it. This is hate at its worst.

Doesn't matter, though, because people like you are in the minority. Things are changing in this country regarding equal rights for gays, and you can't stop it.

I do not hate anybody. How about people like you love to put people into stereotypical boxes. EIther people have to agree with your opinion or they are part of a hate group.
I merely pointed out that the counterculture used not wanting marriage as a way to poke at traditional institutions and now it's just the opposite.
As for gays supporting unborn babies, yes, I stand corrected on that issue. Are you not now using that as a self-righteous way to make yourself superior to me?

Are you next going to tell me that man-boy love is an acceptable practice and people like myself are standing in the way of a man marrying a child?

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

Ok, great. I'm impressed with that.

You see, this just proves my point that you and others like you are members of a hate group who hates gays and lesbians with all your heart. Nothing will ever break through that hate because it is not based on logic or reason. You just said that no gays support the unborn fetus. I proved you wrong, but you won't admit it. This is hate at its worst.

Doesn't matter, though, because people like you are in the minority. Things are changing in this country regarding equal rights for gays, and you can't stop it.

You proved me wrong and where in the heck do you see that I didn't admit it? You are full of it. You have nothing on me in the self-righteous department.