Bob Lazar's W-2

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


So the letters "DNI" on a bogus looking video are supposed to prove that Lazar's fictional Department of Naval Intelligence is real? When I went shopping at WalMart last night, I saw dozens of shelves marked with signs that said "DNI." Is WalMart part of the government/extraterrestrial conspiracy, or is it possible that the letters "DNI" can stand for any number of things that have nothing to do with Naval Intelligence?

Originally posted by Shadowhawk
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

So the letters "DNI" on a bogus looking video are supposed to prove that Lazar's fictional Department of Naval Intelligence is real? When I went shopping at WalMart last night, I saw dozens of shelves marked with signs that said "DNI." Is WalMart part of the government/extraterrestrial conspiracy, or is it possible that the letters "DNI" can stand for any number of things that have nothing to do with Naval Intelligence?

Respectfully gentlemen... sorry, just assuming... it could possibly be that DNI, regardless of the definition is a black department employing or consisting of subonctractors such as one can easily find in a cursory inspection of the yearly budgets.

It also boggles the mind that Mr. Lazar went from Physicist, UFO fame, to purportedly being destroyed by our government and moving from New Mexico to Michigan and now thru his front "front"??? business holds several contracts with the same government which supposedly destroyed his life.

It might be of mention here too that the State of Michigan receives a substantial chunk of NASA's 2013 budget and the majority goes to DBA's, fronts which one can easily see and one I most enjoy is a DBA as ___________ Volunteer Fire Department which employs 9,000 people.

Hmmmmmmmm...

Originally posted by gariac
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

From passing aircraft, 40 miles. But no problem with binocs. From the hills, about 50 miles, but you can use a telescope. Bob should have made up a different location. The problem with Papoose is it can be viewed. He should have put the base on the other side of the mountain, maybe called it Groom Lake west or something like that.

You expect to get really accurate imagery of any possible facility BUILT-IN TO THE HILLS from 40-60 miles?

This is the most absurd arguement I have heard from any want-to-be skeptic. I don't care if you have the best binoculars or telescope in the world. 50 miles is a long, long, long way..........

In your mind, you debunked my satellite argument. However, it was really stupid to bring up HAARP since it can be seen on Google Earth.
n62 23.5 w145 8.8

What can be seen is debateable. Perhaps a rough outline like area 51 but any important details would be air-brushed.

So much for your government cover up conspiracy. And of course, the Russians probably have great imagery of Groom Lake, the NTS, and of course the unused area where S-4 is supposed to be located.

I don't think the russians really care about area 51 anymore than they care about other american images.

The russians likely have their reverse-engineering sites near the caspian sea where lots of ufos are spotted.

It is not nations fighting it out like you would think. It is one for all, and all for one kind of deal.

America, russia and china co-operate when it comes to ufos&aliens and other highely controversial topics.

You really need to read up on multispectral imagery. Camo hasn't worked, other than to the naked eye, for about 60 years. First IR film, but now real time multispectral imagery.

How is IR and multi-spectral imagery relevant to our discussion?

What makes you think you can get images that penetrate through some kind of highely reinforced door(s) that lead into the hills where the facility is supposedly located? And even if you could penetrate what makes you think the ufos or personel would emit a heat signature? Lastly what makes you think the government would allow such imagery to circulate?

I think a simple paint job would suffice perhaps with a sandy texture added to the mix. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 50 MILES OF CLEARANCE FROM THE NEAREST OBSERVATION POINT! Think about this for a second.

Funny, in about 30 visits, I never saw one orb. The other problem with the S-4 location is that it is in a very private valley. The base could have done their tests completely out of view from places east of Groom Lake. You can't see the Papoose dry lake airspace from Tikaboo, K-mart, White SIdes, etc. These are the place where Groom Lake watchers use or used. Papoose can be seen from Reveille, Bonanza, or Stirling. You really need to loop at a map of the area before you post again.

Maybe you should pay attention next time, or find a better observation point. Either way you did something wrong. Others have seen orbs and not everyone is a paranoid dellusional idiot.

Anyone with a basic understanding of technology and a little common sense can debunk your bs........

Originally posted by bg_socalif

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by Shadowhawk
I think there are more important issues to examine:

Bob Lazar's supposed W-2 form lists the employer as the "Department of Naval Intelligence,:" which doesn't exist.

Yet there seems to be an official label of DNI encoded in the alleged smuggled video from S4, along with the date and time of the video taken. DNI stands for Department of Naval Intelligence. The same DNI that is on bob lazar's majestic 12 badge and his W2 stub.

There is no Department of Naval Intelligence. However there is a Director of Naval Intelligence (DNI) who serves as the head of the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) in Suitland MD. I was unlucky enough to do a tour there, way too much brass for my taste.

Yes, I think you are correct in your analysis. I remember reading about this somewhere else but I always manage to get the two confused. I guess its a habit of "department this" and "department that"....

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


I gather you have never been to the Mojave desert. It is a target poor environment. Anything odd sticks out.

When I first started shooting Groom Lake panoramas, I'd test out my gear from Mt. Diablo, shooting Travis AFB. It is actually hard to find the base amongst all the visual clutter.

Groom sticks out like a sore thumb in the desert.

Any activity around S-4 would be spotted from passing aircraft. Anything flying with significant altitude could be spotted from home on the west side of route 95. Again, it is a stupid place to put a secret base, especially when you have a great place to put a secret base on the other side of the mountain.

I gather you didn't bother to research multispectal imagery since you comment was not what I would expect from someone educated on the subject.
www.fas.org...

The FAS website is outdated on the subject. They have been doing active (as in illuminated with lasers) multispectral analysis for at least a decade.

I know some people want to believe Lazar so badly they will dream up any excuse to keep the story alive, but it is time to put a nail in Lazar's BS. Over twenty years and still he didn't share his physical proof.

Originally posted by gariac
Over twenty years and still he didn't share his physical proof.

But he's got a bike that has a Jetcat RC jet turbine engine in it. And some miracle battery(s)/electric motor combo that goes 15 miles at 30mph. Course, that could be the element 115 brushes in the motor.

And as far as Lazar distancing himself or putting the Area 51/S4 nonsense behind him, I find it telling when the first uploaded video he has on his channel is "Bob Lazar & Area 51/S4". I'm sure it helps drive up sales on his website.

reply to post by FosterVS


Funny he didn't get a security briefing BEFORE landing at Groom Lake.

Now he claims this was an EG&G job, but presents a DNI W2.

They show him with a still camera, though we only have seen crappy video.

Classified zipcode. Unbelievable. It is a Washington DC zipcode.

A good accountant can make any kind of numbers look however they want. Just ask Goldman Sachs...

A government accountant could probably work wonders in this regard.

Originally posted by randomname
i'm pretty sure if you look up anybody working at groom lake, if you even manage to identify them, they won't even have a w-2.

and if you do find their w-2, it'll say mcdonalds.

and it would make sense for any organization working with top secret material, to erase any trace that might identify employees, including college records.

for national security interests and to prevent capture and interrogation.

Good Point. One of the people I grew up with during the 70s and 80s has an older brother I never met. Its been damn near 40 years and still never met him but I know for a fact he exists and he is an officer stationed at area 51.

reply to post by OldCurmudgeon


Watch this 10 year old video from CBS one day before 9-11. I hate republicans but kudos to donald rumsfeld for coming clean...at least partially!



Or this...



Phil Scheider, deceased ex-government geologist, talking about alien bases in america......



Money just "disappearing", "unaccounted for", etc and then combine this with insider testimony about aliens&ufos and underground bases. I feel like a huge sucker paying institutions like nasa and department of defense/department of energy taxes so they can LIE to me.

reply to post by Ameliaair

Good Point. One of the people I grew up with during the 70s and 80s has an older brother I never met. Its been damn near 40 years and still never met him but I know for a fact he exists and he is an officer stationed at area 51.

You know for a fact. Great. Please give us the facts to prove he works at Groom Lake.

Or do you just make up stuff?

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07 Bob Lazar's evidence correlates with countless other evidence. It takes some leg work but anything can be found. The disclosure project is a good starting place. Then watch some john lear and richard hoageland videos, read about thomas castello, phil schneider, jason bishop, william cooper, commander-x, william hamilton, etc.

Lazar evidence correlates with countless other evidence. Evidence?
Phil Schneider
Hoagland
Commander-X + Epic Fail Who in the H is Commander-X??

You forgot to mention General A from the Art Bell Show.

Adding insult to injury you cite the Victor video as evidence?

You flame others accusing them of failing to do research. Half an hour of looking into Victor and his alien video and seeing who his backers and front men were ought to stand for itself. But you probably will eventually cite those individuals as evidence also.
Youtube videos are not deemed as research.

Lazar....Lazar sucks man. I hate to tell you this, but he is conning you. Lazar is a wannabe UFO mechanic and his story is moldy & stale. You attempt to validate Lazar with similar stories from other people that work this circuit of counter-culture, or have in this past.

Hoagland

Lord HairHelmet said that there is a UFO hiding behind Comet Elenin just to name one of his recent "works". It failed to show itself as predicted. I'm sure it was the work of NASA and was a cover-up
Hoagland has said so many outlandish things that have never, ever, ever, everevereverever come true. And he fails to stop there. Two weeks later it's a new conspiracy. It's the same line of BS over & over with this man and I dare you to come here and post anything on Hoagland and pass it off as Gospel. In advance, don't even bother referring to the "Coast to Coast Science Advisor". If Hoagland isn't either one of the two following things, I will eat rancid crow...A.A disinformation agent. B. A completely insane individual. Both?

Actually richard hoageland is pretty mild. His new york times bestseller book "NASA: Dark Mission" just states observable facts and or opinions during his work with nasa and cbs correspondent.

Hoagland...mild?? Surely you jest. Nazi tanks on the Moon. Glass towers on the Moon. Nazis on the Moon since the 40s. Nazis on Mars. UFOs behind comets. UFOs disguised as whole Moons. Triangles, faces, factory machined parts oh my. Dude, mild?

John Lear and Bob Lazar are more "out there" and then you have Branton and Commander-X

More out there than ^. How? Please provide proof of this. While although definitely "out there", Lear and UFO mechanic Lazar are room temperature compared to the likes of Hoagland. I want some information on this Commander-X as well. Forthwidth.

Strieber. Are you aware that Strieber was exposed as a CIA agent coming on some 20 years now?
I've heard of his ass-rape and I found it quite disturbing. I do not believe Strieber no further than I could toss him. I find him rather creepy.

Originally posted by randomname
i'm pretty sure if you look up anybody working at groom lake, if you even manage to identify them, they won't even have a w-2.

and if you do find their w-2, it'll say mcdonalds.

and it would make sense for any organization working with top secret material, to erase any trace that might identify employees, including college records.

for national security interests and to prevent capture and interrogation.

I think your reasoning here is entirely plausible, therefore we can reasonably conclude that the W-2 provided, by whatever source, to attempt to bolster Lazar's credibility is almost certainly a fake.

reply to post by RKWWWW


What he means to say is, erasing him completely is aboslutely possible and this means you cannot be sure if everything is false. Your 'conclusion' W2 is wrong is based on pure speculation, Even if he's fake eventually, that doesn't mean every document of his is fake too... afterall he's a human being, US citizen and naturally has files that all people have?

reply to post by Imtor


Can you please tell me how to make Lazar disappear as well? I've been trying for years and no matter what I do, Lazar is still there.

reply to post by Marrr


Ignorance is bliss but shortlived dude. I suggest if ufos&aliens and the government cover-up is too much for you to handle, you find a topic more suitable to your liking. Calling every bit of my evidence fake is something I would expect from a scared child or paid ufo debunker.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by Marrr

 

Ignorance is bliss but shortlived dude. I suggest if ufos&aliens and the government cover-up is too much for you to handle, you find a topic more suitable to your liking. Calling every bit of my evidence fake is something I would expect from a scared child or paid ufo debunker.

Thanks for putting a lot of effort & work into your reply. It's amazing, you've drawn up a psychological profile on me based upon two posts. Incredible!
You're a bit off the mark though, and ironically, I believe you went a bit Freudian on me there because amazingly, if I were to do the same analysis per your posts, I would definitely say that the post in reply to me above was written by an ignorant, naive child mind that was a bit too scared to respond against actual facts & open-minded, unbiased research. Regardless, your flat-out personal attacks are indicative of themselves.

For your own reasons, and I will not judge, but you hesitated to respond to any of the points I made previously. I'd like to discuss these with you without the personal attacks/insults. I will only cite actual "evidence" and "research".

First, why on Earth would you list as a credible reference anyone that goes by the name Commander-X? Are there any books, papers, or sworn statements made by this man that I need to be aware of? I don't know where I'd ever begin a conversation with my local librarian in regards to material written by the author "Commander-X". Where has Commander-X given a press conference and where can I view it?
This sounds too familiar to something one would hear on the likes of the Art Bell Show. Did this "source" come from a radio interview? I have no problem sharing my sources with you. Will you do the same for those on the opposite side of this debate? Disclose information on Commander-X now please.

You denied to even mention any of my points regarding Lord of the HairHelmet Ring, Richard C. Hoagland. I will say that I love Hoagland's hair. Just wanted to be clear on that. No hating on him, at least on that.
Now on to more vague matters...
Hoagland clams:
We are in a Space War with Space Nazis
Nazis have been on the Moon since the 40s
Nazi tank on the Moon
Comet Elenin masked a UFO
Nazi evidence & howitzer on Mars
I'll leave it at five. Anything to say on this ^ ?

Victor-
This is one important video/evidence cache if I am given to understand you correctly.
Here we have a masked voice man who claims sneaking a video out of Area 51.
For a man that was around state of the art tech daily with his job, I'd like to point out one fatal error to you. And it is a mute, mundane little error, yet one significant enough to show a flaw in the intelligence, assumed intelligence of his audience, and one Hell of a cheap attempt to make a story seem credible. It has nothing to do with a Strieber analyzed, tortured alien under extreme interrogation.
Rather, I simply submit to you Victor's voice for consideration. Here we have a voice disguised by electronic means from a device easily obtainable from a local cb radio shop. This man allegedly worked at Area 51. Area 51 is a military installation. And in this said military, they have people that are skilled in decoding & unscrambling altered communications such as these, and let me tell you, they are good, gooood, goooood
at what they do. They'd have this voice unscrambled and compared to voice recordings already stored on their base computers. Among all the lighter rumours about the supposed security at the base, we've heard of voice authorization as one of the criteria for entry into secured areas. This man would be arrested within the hour of his disclosure. You can count on that. I will, as said, leave you with this one point on "Victor". After your rebuttal, if you continue to pursue this aspect of our debate, I can provide additional, more conclusive evidence as required.

Look into your "evidence" more than simply viewing it on youtube and accepting it as legitimate proof of an ongoing conspiracy. If you are so confident in this evidence, I suggest you purchase a laptop and head to every free wi-fi spot you can. Get your internet browser open, perhaps multiple browsers open with different youtube evidence videos on each one. I ask of you to approach every person at the hotspot and show them your evidence and discuss this conspiracy with them. God Speed

reply to post by Marrr


So this guy sneaks a camcorder into S-4 and manages to get it out, undetected. Uh, right. But we are also to assume that a facility housing space aliens doesn't have security cameras in the room with said alien? It seems pretty obvious such a room would be under surveillance and the use of a camcorder would attract attention.

The problem with youtube evidence is I have to watch really stupid stuff on youtube when I can be watching singing dogs or surprised kitty. And just when are we going to find that Charlie kid and stop him from doing more finger biting!

Originally posted by Marrr
Can you please tell me how to make Lazar disappear as well? I've been trying for years and no matter what I do, Lazar is still there.

edit on 23-3-2012 by Marrr because: (no reason given)

The lack of info speaks for itself? So there is no info about him, ok, the guy is considered dumb right? And suddenly he makes rocket propulsion cars or whichever. He's got have some degree, afterall I cant do such things like he does, right? Where is his diplom? Why is it not seen anywhere? Or are you saying he does things without having any academic knowledge about it? Wish I could do that too..

reply to post by Imtor


Tom Mahood answered all your questions years ago. Pretend the government can force a university to pretend they have no records on a student. Well the problem is there are other sources of such information. Tom went to the MIT alumni association and there was no records of Robert Lazar. He paid for Lazar's BK data and the information there does not fit the timeline Lazar presents.

www.dreamlandresort.com...

Lazar is quite slimy. He married wife number two while still married to wife number one. Wife number one commits suicide by CO. Unpaid bills galore. Even that Corvette he drove in the videos and to the UFO conferences were never paid for.

The name Tagalini in the timeline article is the guy Lazar knew who worked at the TTR. He probably told Bob about Site-4, the "Have Glib" radar project facility south of the TTR. Bob probably got the name S-4 from Site-4.

As flaky as Lazar is, try researching his buddy Gene Huff. Not much nice said about him. Huff's rebuttal is on the Mahoods old website, now sitting on the Dreamlandresort website.