Who or What is God to You?

Originally posted by smithjustinb
God is simply the creator.

What he is, I speculate can be defined as intelligent energy. Energy with the ability to perform intelligent work and organize itself into patterns of increasing complexity to further its ability to do what it does... intelligent work.

At the root of all matter and energy is consciousness. So the undivided universe is God. Everything is alive. Some things are more alive than others. Some things are more alive than we have ever experienced.

Life can't happen without an intelligent template. An intelligent process cannot begin from the inanimate.

Something can't be said to exist without something observing it as so. So the big bang happened because the hyper dense singularity became aware or was aware. After that, the goal was to define what, how, and why. The more advanced you become, the better you are able to answer those three questions. That is the purpose of life. It is to grow. The universe wants to verify its existence and paint a clear picture of what it is.

god is simply the creator.....now let me go on and make things complicated. lol, I'm just poking fun at you. You start out with a simple idea, and make it extremely complicated....*ponders*

God is simply the creator....don't bother explaining it in words. it'll sound like nonsense.
God is simply the creator.

lol I was going to post that God is the creator....then I saw you had posted it already. and I needed to add some words to clarify what you said. When everything that could be said, was already said. Then God spoke some more, and more was spoken. All of a sudden, God created something that could create itself. And we had a paradox, but paradoxes can't exist, so what we had created truly existed. then the creator that the original creator had created, created something that God hadn't thought could be created. and we had another god. then we began creating and creating and creating. until we had a paradox of a paradox. but paradoxes can't exist, so we had reality.

God is the original creator.




I hope I didn't blow too many minds with that one...read it again, slowly.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by chr0naut

 

I do not deny anything about who he was... as i've said i know exactly who he was...

I simply don't assume he said something he did not.... And he did not claim to be God... ever

He didn't claim to be God, he claimed to be I AM, whose name happens to be...Yahweh, the Lord.

John 8:56-59

56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Here, Jesus claims that the Sabbath was his day, the Lord's Day. He also says something the jews didn't much care for to the point they were going to try to stone him. Claiming you lived 2000 years wouldn't be enough for them to stone you, they would have just laughed at you and thought you were crazy. It was his claiming to be I AM that angered them. Those 2 words "I AM" was considered blasphemy for anyone to say.

Im glad you understand that... now let me show you something...

The exact situation you are discribing.... and look at his answer to the Jews that wanted to stone him for "claiming to be God" as you say... I will bold and underline it so you don't miss it.

31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

39Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

.....................................

They want to stone him because they believe he called himself God as you also believe....

IF he called himself God, why would he question them about it?

Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

He questions their claim because he DID NOT SAY HE WAS GOD.... EVER!!!

His work glorified his father who is the one true God... He did nothing of himself.... And he ALWAYS refered to ONE that is greater then HE...

IF you want to understand your savior... listen to his words. Not Pauls, NOT the OT... the words of the son of the one true God.

Im sorry if you don't understand what im saying... apparently some people are not meant to understand.

IF you call him God, You call your saviour a liar... and he did not lie.

You christians listen to your preachers... when you should be listening to him.

I do not, and will not make that mistake...

Good luck my friend

reply to post by Akragon



I think the following are ABUNDANT EVIDENCE THAT

Yeshua, Jesus The Christ is God . . . One with God . . . etc.

You seem to have forgotten:

John 8:58

New International Version (©1984)

"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered,

"before Abraham was born, I am!"

New Living Translation (©2007)
Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!"

Ahhhhhhhhhh . . . Do you deny the part about

every knee shall bow?

Romans 14:11

New International Version (©1984)
It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'"

14:12
New International Version (©1984)
So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For the Scriptures say, "'As surely as I live,' says the LORD, every knee will bend to me, and every tongue will confess and give praise to God.'"

14:12
New Living Translation (©2007)
Yes, each of us will give a personal account to God.

Isaiah 45:23:

New International Version (©1984)
By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.

New Living Translation (©2007)
I have sworn by my own name; I have spoken the truth, and I will never go back on my word: Every knee will bend to me, and every tongue will confess allegiance to me."

Matt 28:18:

New International Version (©1984)
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Jesus came and told his disciples, "I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth.

John 13:3:

New International Version (©1984)
Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God;

New Living Translation (©2007)
Jesus knew that the Father had given him authority over everything and that he had come from God and would return to God.

John 17:2:

New International Version (©1984)
For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For you have given him authority over everyone. He gives eternal life to each one you have given him.

Phil 2:11:

New International Version (©1984)
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

New Living Translation (©2007)
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Eph 1:21:

New International Version (©1984)
far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Now he is far above any ruler or authority or power or leader or anything else--not only in this world but also in the world to come.

Col 2:10:

New International Version (©1984)
and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.

New Living Translation (©2007)
So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

Romans 10:10

New International Version (©1984)
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved.

reply to post by BO XIAN


*sigh*

No i didn't forget any of those verses... And i deny Paul in general...

As a matter of fact i deny Paulianity even more then i deny Christianity...

As i've said, feel free to call him a liar... it makes no difference to me

reply to post by Akragon

36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

IF you call him God, You call your saviour a liar... and he did not lie.

You christians listen to your preachers... when you should be listening to him.

I do not, and will not make that mistake...

If you'd had made that interpretation in my ESL classes in China, I'd have flunked your answer.

v 36 is saying essentially:

36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world,

"Thou blasphemest;"

because I said, I am the Son of God?

He is saying essentially:

'I am of God and I AM THE I AM. You say I blaspheme incorrectly because I merely speak the truth of what IS about me.'
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reply to post by BO XIAN


You are incorrect sir...

Apparently whatever class you're talking about was christian based....

Read it again...

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes
reply to post by Ralphy

 

fair question
a fair attempt to answer: god is a word that is used to a collection of mental concepts that is neither clear nor homogeneous. in history this word was abused over and over to discipline people, wage wars, create misery.

for me, on personal level, god is the word that makes my visitors end up being kicked out on the street as i don't tolerate this kind of stuff in my private sphere, nor do i stay if in others' private spheres there's explicit room for the imaginary friend.

Couldn't it have been easier to just type:

"Hi, I'm a xenophobic bigot."

oh, sorry, I was under the impression you were talking to yourself...

well yeah, that would have been easier, but that would have been a lie since i'm neither.

what's your trouble, boy? Read something you can't have? not capable of coming up with a decent argument?
hey, here's a tip for you: start calling names! Insult people who defend positions you don't like.

but, before you continue, it might serve all parties if at least you understand the meaning of the words you use.
where in my reply are the elements that give hand to "xenophobia"?

may the flying pink spaghettimonster be with you my son

Originally posted by chr0naut

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Sure, that's amazing, but that doesn't make us God. He created the distant stars by a single spoken sentence. We hope and dream to be able to visit them someday. lol

And someday we will. lol. Individually we aren't God, but we are of God. We contain God's essence. As Jesus said, "I am in the father and the father is in me". He also said we are in him and he is in us. So therefore we are in God and God is in us.

You see? Everything I have said so far, I supported with quotations from the Bible.

By the same logic, you are Napoleon Bonaparte, Genghis Khan and Adolf Hitler.

Being "in" a box does not make one a box.

Bonaparte was being Bonaparte and I am being smithjustinb. We all are different expressions of the same thing. One forest, many trees, all serving the same function in different ways.

reply to post by NeverSleepingEyes


A xenophobe is someone who has contempt for people different than themselves. That's evident in the first post I replied to, and likewise in your reply above.

You're also a bigot:

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

Bigotry.


I suggest two things. Either buy a thesaurus and keep it on the back of the toilet, read it while you crap. Or, don't share how you really feel about people who love God if being identified as a xenophobic bigot hurts your feelings.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

God can. Jesus said we could and he said we would. In fact, he said we would go on to do greater things than what he did. I can show you the scripture.

I'll take you up on that offer. Show me what you got. Last time someone was resurrected from the Dead was during the Apostles time. Show me you can raise the dead, show me you can heal people. Show me you can feed 5000 with 2 loaves of bread and 5 fish. Show me you can call 12 legions of angels down from heaven. Show me you can cause earthquakes. Show me you can convert tens of thousands of people to Christ instantly with a 100% conversion rate.

Sorry but, there's only one Christ and youre not him.

He is me. We are his body. He is in the father and the father is in him. Being the body of him, so it is with us. All is one.

We are intelligent energy.

Consciousness presides over all. Everything is alive. Everything is life.

Intelligent energy has the ability to perform intelligent work. Not just work, but intelligent work. All intelligent work is an act of will. Will is the mediator between the source and the action. Your existence and everything you do is done by the will of the creator.

Trust all. Serve all. Respect all. Appreciate all.

For all is done by the will of the creator. To respect the will of the creator is to respect the creator. To trust the will of the creator is to trust the creator. To appreciate the will of the creator is to appreciate the creator. Then, and only then will the creator reveal him/her self to you in abundance. At that point, you become a prophet.

reply to post by Akragon


So by totally ignoring and disregarding Paul whom Jesus himself handpicked as the replacement for Judas for the task of teaching the gentile peoples about Jesus, this same Paul who recieved the Holy Spirit and could perform miracles and suffered immensely for Jesus even down being beheaded by the Ostian Road, you just totally disregard.

, thats just...crazy.

Hebrews 1:1-14

1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Well here's something else of Paul you want to ignore:

The part where the Father makes Jesus God. This same Father also claims that Jesus is the one in whom he made creation through, which would make him what? The Creator. Jesus gets his Godhood back and he is our Lord and we are his people which makes him what to us? Our God. What created you is your God, both Father and Son created us, so both are our God. Truly, the Father and the Son are One. Turns out Jesus wasn't lying after all . Confused yet? Thats because there is only one God...in one Triune God. All three part of the same whole, Body, Spirit and Soul. Jesus is the second Ark that houses the Father, he is the tabernacle.

reply to post by Akragon


Lets not forget Hebrews 10:1.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Here's that hebrew symbology again. Hm, the law was just a shadow of things to come. Well, the very first tabernacle, the very first Ark of the Covenant was designed to do what? House the presence of God while on earth and this was just a shadow of something to come...that something was Jesus who became the second Ark that housed the presence of the Holy Spirit which is what? God. God is the Holy Spirit, yet he is also the Father and yet his is also the Son. Here it is again, Jesus said what? Lets see what he said to Philip:

John 14-8-11

8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

"Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father" The Father and Son are in eachother. Well i'll be...there's that pesky hebrew symbology again, the Father is in the Son quite literally. This makes Jesus what? The second Ark of the Covenant. Jesus is also called what? Immanu'el which means "God with us" and according to Judeo-Christians, Jesus' true name.

So, how many books of the bible do you willfully ignore? Everything but the Nagh Hammadi?

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Yes im fully aware of trinitarian beliefs... they are not confusing, they're just incorrect according to your own book.

And i willfull ignore author that contradicts Jesus...

Pauls teachings contradict Jesus in many cases... He wasn't hand picked by Jesus... He didn't even know Jesus at all... he met him one time, and then was "inspired" by the spirit...

Inspired means nothing...

Im inspired to write on these forums every day. Perhaps i should write a gospel too

And what exactly do the gnostic texts have to do with this conversation?

Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes

may the flying pink spaghettimonster be with you my son

If you add me to this blessing then thank you. There will be many ways to view the devine. Namaste

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by chr0naut

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Sure, that's amazing, but that doesn't make us God. He created the distant stars by a single spoken sentence. We hope and dream to be able to visit them someday. lol

And someday we will. lol. Individually we aren't God, but we are of God. We contain God's essence. As Jesus said, "I am in the father and the father is in me". He also said we are in him and he is in us. So therefore we are in God and God is in us.

You see? Everything I have said so far, I supported with quotations from the Bible.

By the same logic, you are Napoleon Bonaparte, Genghis Khan and Adolf Hitler.

Being "in" a box does not make one a box.

Bonaparte was being Bonaparte and I am being smithjustinb. We all are different expressions of the same thing. One forest, many trees, all serving the same function in different ways.

I am me and you are you. Yes part of the same whole that one day will be as one. Maybe even so close that we have a hard time telling where one ends and the other one begins.

Are the life that lifes in me part of me or not? Is the cells in me me? Is the bakteria that live inside me and help me live part of me? Am I this body? Am I my aura? Where do i begin and end? Am I my mind? Am I my ego impulses? Am I my devine impulses? Am I soul? Am I Spirit? Am I part of everything? Am I crazy? . Am I happy? Yes. Namaste

reply to post by NOTurTypical


my last contribution to this nonsense

there was a fair question, i gave a fair and personal answer
that answer was just that, a personal stance
you are fully entitled to an opposite stance, but not to start calling me names
as you are entitled to determine what happens in your private sphere, I am entitled to the same.

your definition of xenophobia sucks big time so maybe you might benefit from bringing the thesaurus-suggestion in practice?

i think this should be enough.

Originally posted by apushforenlightment

Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes

may the flying pink spaghettimonster be with you my son

If you add me to this blessing then thank you. There will be many ways to view the devine. Namaste

if the blessings of an atheist help you in any way
please be my guest and feel blessed
(hmm, feels kinda weird to be a blesser, suddenly... oh well, one gets used to everything eventually, so they say)
isn't the brain a wonderful thing?

Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

my last contribution to this nonsense

Okay.

there was a fair question, i gave a fair and personal answer

Yes you did. No one said it wasn't personal.

that answer was just that, a personal stance

Correct.

you are fully entitled to an opposite stance, but not to start calling me names

They are labels, it's your choice to be offended or not. Your post was overtly bigoted, I merely pointed it out.

as you are entitled to determine what happens in your private sphere, I am entitled to the same.

Yeah you are, bigots are granted the same entitlements and rights everyone else are.

your definition of xenophobia sucks big time so maybe you might benefit from bringing the thesaurus-suggestion in practice?

LOL, wow, that was hyperbole, but now that you mention it maybe I will pick one up.

i think this should be enough.

Okay... that was painless.

reply to post by apushforenlightment

I am me and you are you. Yes part of the same whole that one day will be as one. Maybe even so close that we have a hard time telling where one ends and the other one begins.

Are the life that lifes in me part of me or not? Is the cells in me me? Is the bakteria that live inside me and help me live part of me? Am I this body? Am I my aura? Where do i begin and end? Am I my mind? Am I my ego impulses? Am I my devine impulses? Am I soul? Am I Spirit? Am I part of everything? Am I crazy? . Am I happy? Yes. Namaste

"Ye can be like gods."

People still falling for that lie for over 6,000 years. Gazuntite.