If Islam is to blame for the twin towers is Christianity to blame for manifest destiny?

I often see people blame the religion of Islam for what happened on 9/11. If this is true, is Christianity to blame for manifest destiny?

For your knowledge, if you don't already know. The role of manifest destiny is the thought that America belonged to the US so it must expand. This was backed up by religious belief in God giving the US this destiny. This ended up in the slaughtering and enslavement of Native Americans. So, is Christianity to blame?

reply to post by Tea4One


I wouldn't go so far as to BLAME...but I would say a certain degree of responsibility lies with them.

However, condemning modern Christians for those actions and those missions would be akin to condemning the whole of the white population in America for slavery.

Let bygones be bygones. There is really no point in dragging it all up...it can only bring pain and resentment for something that has been over with for years.

reply to post by Starchild23


Arguable but I just want to challenge people on the assumption that Islam is to blame for the twin towers... when it's not, at all.

You can't blame an entire religion for what a few who profess to follow it do.

The people who brought down the towers and killed thousands of people were not followers of ANY religion. They were criminals, using religion and politics to justify their actions.

Bush did a really good job of igniting hatred against Muslims for 9/11, however. I would like to be a fly on the wall when he gets his.

All them religious peoples are crazy. You don't need a book to understand what you see with your limited view of the wavelength spectrum. You still don't see all of the wavelength either at that.

Human nature is to blame for both. Religion is just a symptom.
Manifest Destiny created the greatest nation in all of human history. To make an omelet, you have to break some eggs.
Kudos to the American Indians who fought back, though.
And it's looking like that manifest destiny is turning round to bite us on the rear. What comes around, goes around, I guess.
But, like Red Cloud and Sitting Bull, we should fight like hellish banditti to keep our culture, Constitution, and money.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Bush did a really good job of igniting hatred against Muslims for 9/11, however. I would like to be a fly on the wall when he gets his.

That makes two of us. Well probably more than just two.
Don't worry, they'll get theirs, if not in this lifetime, than the next.

Religion definitely is responsible for religious nut jobs. That's why I don't go to church and prefer to pursue my own "spiritual" explanations.

reply to post by Tea4One

This ended up in the slaughtering and enslavement of Native Americans.

Inaccurate statement. The Native Americans weren't enslaved, they were just exterminated. I am descended from the Cherokee tribe on both sides of my family and yeah i am a christian and no i do not blame christians for what happened. Instead i blame Lucifer because he's the one that started this mess in the first place. If you want to lay blame, it needs to go on the original perpetrator instead of laying blame on someone else.

By your statement it would be perfectly ok to blame every other nation or ethnicity for everyone else's misery since no nation today ever got where it is now without persecuting or murdering some other people for their land, food, money or belongings.

Best to just let sleeping dogs lie because in the end, it doesn't matter. Whats done is done and finger pointing doesn't resurrect the dead.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Instead i blame Lucifer because he's the one that started this mess in the first place. If you want to lay blame, it needs to go on the original perpetrator instead of laying blame on someone else.

Lucifer is the original perpetrator? Why stop there? God created Lucifer. Like you said, blame must fall on the original perpetrator.

reply to post by Glass


Top drawer Sir, or Madam

Yes, if you wanna blame "Lucifer" you may as well blame his employer.

If the God of the story books exists, than he is one sick sob, I'll tell ya hwat Bobby.

Originally posted by ToFarGone
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Top drawer Sir, or Madam

Yes, if you wanna blame "Lucifer" you may as well blame his employer.

If the God of the story books exists, than he is one sick sob, I'll tell ya hwat Bobby.

like i said, whats done is done. Finger pointing doesn't bring back the dead. I trust in God to make it all count for good, he knows what he is doing better than we do and i am happy to leave it at that.

reply to post by Tea4One

I often see people blame the religion of Islam for what happened on 9/11. If this is true, is Christianity to blame for manifest destiny?

For your knowledge, if you don't already know. The role of manifest destiny is the thought that America belonged to the US so it must expand. This was backed up by religious belief in God giving the US this destiny. This ended up in the slaughtering and enslavement of Native Americans. So, is Christianity to blame?

As a personal viewpoint, I dont hold that one religon is to blame for the crimes of a few.

But I do play that card when I am dealing with someone who insists that an entire religon is to blame for the misdeeds of a few. Works everytime.

Religion has been blamed for an awful lot of things that were nothing more than the actions of man.

Originally posted by Tea4One
I often see people blame the religion of Islam for what happened on 9/11. If this is true, is Christianity to blame for manifest destiny?

For your knowledge, if you don't already know. The role of manifest destiny is the thought that America belonged to the US so it must expand. This was backed up by religious belief in God giving the US this destiny. This ended up in the slaughtering and enslavement of Native Americans. So, is Christianity to blame?

This is 2012, isn't it? And I seem to recall the Islamic terrorists have always been terrorists in countries they invaded. Perhaps Manifest Destiny is an Islamic ideal to begin with?

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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This ended up in the slaughtering and enslavement of Native Americans.

Inaccurate statement. The Native Americans weren't enslaved, they were just exterminated. I am descended from the Cherokee tribe on both sides of my family and yeah i am a christian and no i do not blame christians for what happened. Instead i blame Lucifer because he's the one that started this mess in the first place. If you want to lay blame, it needs to go on the original perpetrator instead of laying blame on someone else.

By your statement it would be perfectly ok to blame every other nation or ethnicity for everyone else's misery since no nation today ever got where it is now without persecuting or murdering some other people for their land, food, money or belongings.

Best to just let sleeping dogs lie because in the end, it doesn't matter. Whats done is done and finger pointing doesn't resurrect the dead.

This is from Wilma Mankiller, one of my heroes.
Wlima Pearl Mankiller

Spiritual practices and religious beliefs among tradition- oriented Cherokee people differ greatly. Most are Christian and some follow traditional Cherokee ways, but outwardly there is little difference in the way tradition and Christian Cherokee people conduct their affairs, live their lives, and participate in the community.

While we can agree the government did make many egregious mistakes when it came to the Native Americans, we should never forget there were many Christians who did oppose the treatment of them. The Cherokee also have their own written language due to the hard work of the great Sequoyah, who was helped in this syllabary by a Christian minister.

The Trail of Tears was named for the white Christian people who watched this horrific scene before them, as the Cherokee and various other tribes were forcibly removed into Oklahoma. There will always be Christians who oppose evil treatment of others, including girls and women in Islamic countries this very hour. It was the Christian Abolition movement that fought slavery.

This is Alexis de Toqueville's account

Alexis de Tocqueville, the French philosopher, witnessed the Choctaw removals while in Memphis, Tennessee in 1831, “ In the whole scene there was an air of ruin and destruction, something which betrayed a final and irrevocable adieu; one couldn't watch without feeling one's heart wrung. The Indians were tranquil, but sombre and taciturn. There was one who could speak English and of whom I asked why the Chactas were leaving their country. "To be free," he answered, could never get any other reason out of him. We ... watch the expulsion ... of one of the most celebrated and ancient American peoples. ” —- Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America[

Manifest Destiny was not a Christian idea, it was thought up through the greed and sanctimonious words of those who did not practice Christianity as Christianity is.

Jana Mashonee sings O Holy Night in Navajo


Scarlet Purple Robe in Navajo


Now for those who are Muslim, what are they doing about the genocides against Rwandans? They sure like to point fingers without even looking at what their own ideals and fellow religious adherents are doing.

Islam ???

Twin towers ???

No , your dollars and illuminati ==> 9/11





Are you new to the internet ? or Just don't know what to search in the Google ? (kidding)

here are some keywords :

illuminati , 9/11 , inside job , LOOSECHANGE2 , illuminazi , dollar bill , money lost , attack on 1993

want more ?

Originally posted by hmdphantom
Islam ???

Twin towers ???

No , your dollars and illuminati ==> 9/11

Are you new to the internet ? or Just don't know what to search in the Google ? (kidding)

here are some keywords :

illuminati , 9/11 , inside job , LOOSECHANGE2 , illuminazi , dollar bill , money lost , attack on 1993

want more ?

edit on 2/2/12 by hmdphantom because: (no reason given)

Are you implying the Simpsons are created by the illuminati? Did the writers of the Simpsons have some kind of prophetic knowledge? It is funny how that worked out. But as far as Loose Change, Dylan Avery recanted his position so Loose Change has become moot.

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OK

Materialist are easily played.

Prophecy knowledge ??

Materialists don't know the difference between prophet and a\ordinary people.

And those who plan to move the puppets , make it look like they have predicted the movement.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
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OK

Materialist are easily played.

Prophecy knowledge ??

Materialists don't know the difference between prophet and a\ordinary people.

And those who plan to move the puppets , make it look like they have predicted the movement.

Why through the Simpsons? That is like saying..."The Simpsons are merely a puppet mouthpiece for the Illuminati because the Illuminati control Fox only one half hour of the week on Sunday evenings"...Is that what you really are saying?

The Illuminati have no more to do than draw an animated cartoon and hire all the voice actors to play the parts, because the Illuminati can only control the world one half hour a week. Wow, that's a lot of time on their hands.