FDA's New Claim: "Your Body Is a Drug—and We Have the Authority to Regulate It"

reply to post by otie1


I wish this would stop but the 99% of the population are slaves to the system. They won't question theses things because it never comes across their minds. When I look at humanity on a smaller scale I see slaves/masters.
It's sick. The elites sit on top of a pile of cash, while us, the common man, works our asses off in a job that we hate. Sure we bitch about it but what can we do?
Revolution is the only solution
The one response of an entire nation.
Revolution! The only solution.
We've taking all this # now its time for restitution!!!

reply to post by MegaMind

Anyone defending the FDA cannot possibly know whats going on or they must getting paid to defend it. In which case they are no different from those they defend.

What, exactly, do you think is going on? Please be specific, it's hard for me to concentrate on vast, unspecified generalizations.

reply to post by MegaMind

I'm not missing any points.

.... But perhaps a little history.

The FDA, USDA, Big Pharm and organizations like the AMA run a health dictatorship in this country to simultaneously ruin our health and profit from the so called "treatment". It's Evil pure and simple.

I wasn't aware people were supposed to live forever.... or that people were living to see 110 years of age back in the 1700s...

It's kind of difficult to make the claim that food and/or drugs are 'slowly killing' a population with a continually increasing average life-span and quality of that life (old doesn't mean decrepit, anymore - even without drug treatments, because of the nutrition available).

Anyone defending the FDA cannot possibly know whats going on or they must getting paid to defend it. In which case they are no different from those they defend.

The FDA and other such regulatory agencies have largely out-lived their purpose and must come up with new crusades to serve as both busy-work and make it appear as though their budget is justified.

I've already given my argument "against" the FDA and other such regulatory agencies... but I think you're taking a flawed and toxic angle with it.

This will ultimately turn into a discussion regarding: "Organic" and "natural" products/drugs/therapies - and I've had more of those than I care to repeat to a proverbial wall. Suffice to say, however, that the natural world will # you up if you don't give it proper respect. We created the conveniences of modern society for a reason - and much of it is survival-based. We cook food to kill parasites and/or break down toxic compounds. We add salt (and other preservatives) to prevent spoiling the food. The list goes on.

Basically - if you go around with the attitude of "natural stuff is natural and therefor good;" you'll be in for a hell of a surprise.

reply to post by Aim64C


Seriously? God there is no hope. Take a look around you!!! People everywhere have cancer, diabetes, heart disease.

Where were these diseases 50 years ago?

Drug and Food Companies are making record profits while the health of people in this country couldn't be any worse.

We are at a "health crisis" in case you haven't heard.

If everyone wasn't in a flouridated, anti-depressant stupor maybe people more people could see what was happening.

reply to post by DJW001

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by MegaMind

 

Anyone defending the FDA cannot possibly know whats going on or they must getting paid to defend it. In which case they are no different from those they defend.

What, exactly, do you think is going on? Please be specific, it's hard for me to concentrate on vast, unspecified generalizations.

I'm not surprised you're finding it hard to concentrate on the basic concepts that I've already outlined.

Pretty simple - make public sick - treat public's sickness - make lots of money - suppress real treatments - get more money and regulation and control over people - repeat.

I don't expect you to be able to "see" what I'm talking about, even though it should be obvious to anyone with a pulse and brain. I've seen enough of your posts to know exactly where you come from. You're on your own, I can't hold your hand anymore ...

I've always viewed our bodies as "walking talking chemical reactions" cuz that's all we are pretty much, but for the FDA to claim some obsurd stunt like this is just another grab at power.

The ONLY thing good about Mitt Romney is that he wants to downgrade the FDA.

I don't know if other people have said this but stem cells don't just come from "sacrificed fetuses". Our body is full of them. We can extract stem cells from our bones and put them to use in our own body.

I think the FDA is saying this so the Pro-Life Republicans that wanna cut certain government agencies will look at them as "beneficial" for their cause because they're gunna stop parapalegics from cracking open fetuses like coconuts to extract the sweet sweet stem cell milk from them (sorry I was thinkin bout South Park lol). FDA is just playing on Right-Wing fears to show that they're "still important".

reply to post by MegaMind

Where were these diseases 50 years ago?

The cause of "natural" death.

What do you think people died from 50 years ago?

We are at a "health crisis" in case you haven't heard.

It's interesting how you claim all of these agencies/groups are "in it for profit" - and overlook the largest market-motivator they manipulate: fear.

Sure - they can make money off of treating obvious issues - but the real money is in convincing you that you have an issue and turning everyone into a hypochondriac. There's a disease for every person.

Drug and Food Companies are making record profits while the health of people in this country couldn't be any worse.

You don't get out much, do you?

If everyone wasn't in a flouridated, anti-depressant stupor maybe people more people could see what was happening.

On well water my entire life... and never subjected to anti-depressants or other drugs intended to "make me normal" (other people have difficulty learning and scoring well on tests... why would I care to be normal, again?). But, there again, I also have symptoms in line with autism-spectrum disorders such as Asperger's. I'll talk to myself for three hours about how the dishes need to be washed - and never wash the dishes. So, it's not the lack of city water or drug therapy that has resulted in my mental status.

You're doing the typical human thing: dehumanizing something you can't understand.

We do it to our ex boy/girlfriends, annoying/useless coworkers, and just about anyone that is an instigator of frustration. It's easier to classify it as "not human" and move on with our lives. It's a conflict coping mechanism... "well - they just aren't human... so I don't need to devote any more of my time to figuring out how they can be the way they are."

And it's that coping mechanism that leads many people to become the very thing they despise.

reply to post by Aim64C


So cancer isn't on the rise over the past 50 years, neither is diabetes or heart disease - yeah ok.

Fear - yeah what are all those commercials for?

If you have these conditions you may be suffering from ________. Ask your doctor about _____.(fill in the blank). Common side effects include .....

After taking whatever pill you too can be as happy as the people shown in the commercial. A commercial for medicine? really?

Of course I get out - do you? Fat people every where, diabetes exploding even in children.

You you living under a rock?

I'm not having trouble trying to understand what's going on here. I'm not dehumanizing anything so I can cope.

Its real simple - People profiting at the expense of other people - been going on for a long time and will unfortunately continue for a long time. Perhaps it is you who cannot cope with this simple premise. Instead it is you that must invent ways to ignore what is happening. You can't handle the concept that people might abuse other people for profit. You don't believe large scale corruption is happening or even possible. It is you that can't cope with the truth.

Its too bad really that you can't see ...

And I agree - its not the lack of city water or drugs that caused your condition. But how do you know it wasn't caused by exposure to foods you've eaten or drugs that you've been given such as shots. Or it could be a natural occurrence.

Whatever the cause I hope truly hope that you research everything you can about your condition and try to draw your own conclusions about what treatments you think you need, if any. Modern medicine can have its place (pretty good at fixing broken bones) but, But it isn't the only place to look for solutions - if any can be found I hope you can find them. I am not familiar with what you described.

reply to post by MegaMind

Pretty simple - make public sick - treat public's sickness - make lots of money - suppress real treatments - get more money and regulation and control over people - repeat

You're right. No-one ever got sick, grew old or died until the FDA was founded. Is that about it?

Strange to read that my body is a drug ... as long as I can be a hot tramp I'm ok with that. Social security for those of us over 62

reply to post by MegaMind

So cancer isn't on the rise over the past 50 years, neither is diabetes or heart disease - yeah ok.

50 years ago, how much knowledge did we have of cancer? How many people were tested for it? How reliable were those testing methods?

Further... why test for something you can't treat?

People died, the cause was listed as a general heart failure, usually, and the family wouldn't often opt for an autopsy that would tell them very little (even if they could afford it). Life went on.

Of course I get out - do you? Fat people every where, diabetes exploding even in children.

Obesity is on the rise. That has little to do with the FDA and everything to do with the indulgent-microwave mentality.

Diabetes is a similar issue. Although, in children, the cause is often genetic. That is another fact of life we are going to have to get used to as we see an increase in genetic diversity. Our larger population and society allows for genetic traits to exist, and even flourish, that would have meant certain death just 100 years ago.

You you living under a rock?

Well, my dream-home will be built into the bedrock of a steep south-facing hill in territory similar to the Ozarks (if not the Ozarks).

I have too many nightmares about tornadoes.

Its real simple - People profiting at the expense of other people - been going on for a long time and will unfortunately continue for a long time. Perhaps it is you who cannot cope with this simple premise. Instead it is you that must invent ways to ignore what is happening. You can't handle the concept that people might abuse other people for profit. You don't believe large scale corruption is happening or even possible. It is you that can't cope with the truth.

.....

I'm not having trouble trying to understand what's going on here. I'm not dehumanizing anything so I can cope.

Good job! You did it!

Allow me to quote myself, because I'm just that awesome:

"The FDA and other such regulatory agencies have largely out-lived their purpose and must come up with new crusades to serve as both busy-work and make it appear as though their budget is justified. "

"Agencies like the FDA will selectively regulate businesses they know are likely to pay out a fine. Many institutions operate consistently in violation of regulatory codes and simply pay the fines (because non-compliance with a fine is more cost-effective than compliance).

Corporate lobbyists also come in and manipulate the policies of regulatory agencies to stifle small business development. Large corporations cannot innovate at the rate small businesses can."

"We don't need the FDA. We're in a different age. Large food market retailers will handle a lot of their own food quality controls in the absence of the FDA.

You will also see the start-up of third-party rating commissions. Much like how there are sites dedicated to game reviews. Or how you have the IEEE and ISO that serve as the closest thing to an international regulatory committee (if you want to do business with anyone serious about doing business - you comply with those standards; because you'll be hard-pressed to win a contract without compliance)."

And I agree - its not the lack of city water or drugs that caused your condition. But how do you know it wasn't caused by exposure to foods you've eaten or drugs that you've been given such as shots. Or it could be a natural occurrence.

I don't use this often: LOL

Autism-spectrum disorders are, essentially, how neuroatypical people are classified. People with, say, Asperger's often have very powerful memories - able to recall exact phrasing and page numbers (though each case is unique). Many are ridiculously intelligent because of their ability to recall information. But most have difficulty relating to and socializing with people.

The "cause" is simply that my father and mother were both intelligent people and I spent most of my early years talking with adults rather than children (though this was partially my own preference as much as it was situational).

It's a perfect example of how there's a "disease for everyone." 'Neruoatypical' is the term used to define anyone who has an atypical neurological function. It's something like how ADD and ADHD were all the rage back in the late 90s and early 21st. "Back in the day" - that same 'disorder' was treated with a ruler to the knuckles and the kid left school at his first legal opportunity and did something more in line with his character.

Not a power grab..

This is routine procedure and will end the same way it did with other fluid collections.

Semen.
Blood.
Bone Marrow.

This is just a step in the machine to get it regulated so you are getting what you are intending to get.

reply to post by DJW001


Straw man or not, this is not what you contended in your post. You mentioned, in a quite forthright manner, that they are putting a Quack out of business.

As for what the FDA said or really meant, this is what the FDA said publicly, in an exceedingly well parsed, lawyer driven, political PR statement and most assuredly bears zero resemblance to what they actually want to accomplish. For what they want to accomplish, one will actually have to speak with the doctor himself for better insight. At this point, given the FDA is a mouthpiece for JJ, Monsanto and Merk - (Merk makers of FDA approved and promoted vioxx), what their PR screed says must be taken in the most negative context.

How ridiculous!!!!!! - what next for 'drug' classification? - blood for transfusions, stents, hip replacements, pacemakers - oh and don't forget skin for skin grafts.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by MegaMind

 

Pretty simple - make public sick - treat public's sickness - make lots of money - suppress real treatments - get more money and regulation and control over people - repeat

You're right. No-one ever got sick, grew old or died until the FDA was founded. Is that about it?

Absurd ... we are done since you can't intelligently discuss it or focus on general ideas ....

the FDA is a loving caring organization that works with loving caring big pharma that only wants to help people get better.

And its working ... people everywhere in the US are getting healthier and better all the time. Cancer is in major decline as well as heart disease and diabetes. Those prescription drugs are doing wonders. You see all we needed were vitamins, minerals and prescription drugs to be healthy happy people just like in the commercials.

reply to post by Aim64C


Like I said I was unfamiliar with what you had so laugh it up!

So the populace as a whole isn't any worse health wise than they were 50 years ago ...

Drug companies care about you. Food makers care about you. The FDA cares about you.

What a wonderful world we live in.



Whatever ...

reply to post by crankyoldman

Straw man or not, this is not what you contended in your post. You mentioned, in a quite forthright manner, that they are putting a Quack out of business.

They didn't say it in so many words, but that's what the issue really is. There is a for profit franchise performing experimental procedures that have not been adequately tested. Do we know if the patients receiving this treatment understand that there have not been properly controlled studies? Is it fair to charge people to be human guinea pigs?

reply to post by MegaMind




People are finally living long enough to die of cancer and heart disease. Back in the days when most people got trampled by horses, chewed up by factory machinery, died of whooping cough, scarlet fever, pneumonia or malnutrition, cancer and heart disease were often given names like "consumption" and "chest pains."

reply to post by MegaMind

the FDA is a loving caring organization that works with loving caring big pharma that only wants to help people get better.

Where do I say that? Would you please explain to me why any government would want its labor force to be weak, debilitated, inefficient, under-productive and subject to random absentee-ism? Most totalitarian governments ram healthy living down its population's collective throat. Mandatory calisthenics, draconian anti-drug and alcohol laws, organized sports. Why would a government want its population to be unfit for conscription at a moment's notice?

reply to post by DJW001


That data on life expectancy is skewed because infant mortality is averaged in and infant mortality used to be higher. Take out early deaths and there is little difference.

research it yourself ....

Nova Magazine ... Life Expectancy and Medicine

Human Lifespans Nearly Constant for 2,000 Years