Gabrielle Giffords Shooting

Originally posted by vaelamin

Originally posted by starviego

*The lone killer caused 33 different gunshot wounds in 19 people with a maximum of 32 rounds fired, indicating a more than 100% accuracy rate, all in the span of 12 or so seconds. From a new gun owner who had no formal firearms training. Not exactly within the 'means' of a genuinely crazy person.

Not possible. Not even a trained soldier would be able to pull that off. Also they would have to be moving targets. Ive seen what happens when a gun shot gets fired in the public and there is panic and every one runs. No way can some random kid who is apparently crazie pull off that kinda accuracy.

It's "happened" before. It was key in taking many guns out of the hands of the citizens. Port Arthur

Watch this video Jared had made, previous to the shootings.

reply to post by revolutionphase1


What's the point you wanted to make with the video?

reply to post by juveous


I'm just posting anything relevent to "Jared". I came across this video recently, very strange indeed.

To most people who think i'm full of crap with this conspiracy, i encourage you to study the body language of his so-called "friends", back in the videos on the first page. Some red flags should go off while watching them, its human instinct. Your being tricked! See through the illusion!

Wow.. The sheer number of self declared firearms experts around here can just be a sight to behold. How many have suggested or outright said the number of rounds fired to the number of people shot and/or killed is impossible? Can't be done?

Okay. How many folks saying this have ever fired a live weapon on or off a range? Not a paintball gun or a BB gun. A real firearm, and preferably an automatic like he was using that day? This sick man wasn't another Oswald with a grassy knoll shooter to speculate on. He was what strikes me as what everyone working with or around him has concluded he is. Criminally insane.

Let me offer something to consider.

[Updated at 8:55 p.m. ET] A law enforcement source familiar with the investigation says the Glock model 19 used in the shootings was purchased legally. The official did not have details at this time as to when and where the gun was purchased.

The gun was loaded with a 30-round magazine. The official said it is likely the extended magazine used in the shooting was purchased separately and at a different time. The official said such a magazine does not automatically come with a weapons purchase and that it would be extremely rare for them to be sold together in one purchase.

Source

This is a video of someone clearing the 30 round magazine of a Glock 19 handgun under calm conditions on a controlled range. He manages 30 rounds in 14 seconds by my count, and he's firing fairly controlled and aimed as rapid fire goes. He could probably increase that speed by half again and still not be spraying into the ceiling.



The Giffords shooter (I really don't care to keep using his name...it gives him recognition he doesn't deserve) was raging with adrenaline unless someone can find a story saying he was doped with tranquilizers or something. So, he sure wasn't taking slow, controlled shots like the video above. He was spraying in the general direction and actually hit 18 people he wasn't there to kill.......assuming Giffords was the target.

Whats so hard to believe about that? A mentally unstable goober sprays a crowd like a lead firehose and never had to do something like reload. When it came time for that brain teaser, he was jumped and put down. Nothing about this strikes me as unlikely or the least bit difficult to believe.

What is far more difficult to believe in my opinion, is that any agency or covert organization would invest the time and take the risks some would suggest, to kill.....who? An old Judge with nothing particularly unusual to hit credit? Or Giffords? Of the females in Congress...if that were the source of such a thing..I can sure think of ones FAR more powerful and troublesome than this example ever had time to be.

As they'd say in the old Clue.... It was the nutcase, in the parking lot with the pistol! Case pretty much closed, in my mind.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

As they'd say in the old Clue.... It was the nutcase, in the parking lot with the pistol! Case pretty much closed, in my mind.

edit on 3-2-2012 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

This was a heavily trained double agent with a 33-round glock, shooting fake people. It may not have even took place. "Alright everybody....NOW!" Blood packs are exploded, Jared is arrested, helicopter arrives, Gabby survives being shot in the brain, heart-felt story, retires, event dissapears in U.S History..........but I decided to bring it back up. Mabe the benifits of it being faked are unknown right now. Like we would know right? I'm just getting to phase 1 by providing theories that this could all be a bunch of bull. Its actually quite comedy when you think how far they went with it. (especially Jared friends i mean .....cmon now..)

Here Hillary Clinton chimes in about the event at the 3:30 mark:


I encourage you to watch the interview with the pink haired guy in that same video ^ . Listen close & watch for body language.

Something about this entire event in extremely wrong and more people need to wake up and realize that they are literally being toyed with through the packaging of mainstream media.

For example: In the previously posted video(pink-hair guy outside with goofy glasses reporter), it is fairly evident that the pink-haired guy is being extremely vague and safe with his word choice and descriptions(as the reporter also does), so much in fact that around the time they go into their rambling about how Jared was "passive and agressive" and whatnot, you can literally hear their forced conversation stagnating. Yet it all made the airwaves, because if they would have only put up a smaller piece it would have been more obvious that the guy is saying pretty much nothing.

Here's what I can gather from all pink-haired guy's description(s) of what happened: He took an advanced poetry class with Loughner. In that class(and possibly the whole school) it was common knowledge that Jared was 'off' and 'disconneceted'. People 'didn't understand him' quite literally 'when he spoke,' it didn't make sense. In other words, Jared had some kind of mental problem(Why pinky doesn't just call it that I'm not sure). So, that advanced poetry class(prob. 20-25 students I'm guessing), decided to shun him because he made them 'uncomfortable'(The 'friend' only manages to throw in one detailed example of this- something about Jared clenching his knuckles alot- which seems pretty stupid if you ask me. Rather than attempt to get him real help(his incredibly crappy poetry should have been a big indicator in an advanced poetry class), they kick him out, and/or pinky doesn't quite remember if Jared was there at the end(because he said this the interview after he said Jared was kicked out).

And then, of course, there's the obvious details: You're telling me this guy decided to wear his obnoxious, pink hair, paint his nails bright purple and bust out the teeny band shirt for a serious interview about his disturbed former friend Jared the safeway shooter? Not to mention that the interview was conducted at PCC(where pinky and jared knew each other), even though the interviewer says that pinky actually goes to U of A. Why is this guy dressed like some kind of intentional weirdo yet he seems to be carving his details not with the purpose of giving detailed info. Its like he wants to tell us that Loughner was(and is) mentally unstable, but for some reason he's playing a game; he's attempting to give this impression without actually saying it, that is, through suggestive language. The goofy-glasses reporter helps him out in that regard, by parroting everything he says back to him in the form of another question. Unfortunately, forcing such a conversation under false pretenses yields noticeably bland results, if you're an actor, because it is already predetermined that both characters have the same goal, to suggest this info to the viewer. It really is like spotting bad acting.

People should trust their intuition more when looking into this case. I'm not telling you not to look for facts and observations- I'm saying look examine the most conventional aspects first, you'll see that something about the people interviewed as Jared's 'friends' seems forced or contrived.

*Oh, my mistake, it seems that pinky, "Steven Cates" did try to reach out to Jared. See Jared always sat at this bench in school ya know, just sitting there alone, being a loner, and Steeven decided to go sit there with him, and there the two would sit, Steven comparing poetry with Jared(because they were in poetry class together, and that is what poets always do: they write something and then immediately go show it to a mentally unstable guy who barely qualifies as an aquaintance, a guy who must have realllly sucked at poetry, if his youtube videos are any indication).

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thank you

There are about 4-5 friends the media used. All of them are obvious actors, its crazy. Pink hair guy takes the cake though.

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When everyone involved is an actor being paid to play a part - it all makes sense. Mkultra and mind control and the social control institute in England - look them up and research for yourself. People are controlled through fear. Also keep in mind that only six people control ALL the media in the world. Only six people essentially own all the television companies, movie production houses, newspapers, publishing houses and music companies. Think about it and then have another look at the video clips.
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It's like when you are looking at Where's Wally - once you have found him - you cannot unfind him!!

Much Peace...

Originally posted by revolutionphase1
reply to post by SilphCo

 

thank you

There are about 4-5 friends the media used. All of them are obvious actors, its crazy. Pink hair guy takes the cake though.

edit on 4-2-2012 by revolutionphase1 because: (no reason given)

come on mate. obvious actors? It looked like an honest interview to me. Tell me, what about the interview either incriminates or defends Jared Loughner? I mean isn't that the point of using an actor, for leverage in persuading. All he did was give an opinion about his character and school life. Couldn't all these "actor" be easily verified by friends, family and social networking as say, just normal students?

Originally posted by SilphCo
And then, of course, there's the obvious details: You're telling me this guy decided to wear his obnoxious, pink hair, paint his nails bright purple and bust out the teeny band shirt for a serious interview about his disturbed former friend Jared the safeway shooter?

Yes. Its the mans chosen self-expressive style, damn that would be all the more reason to do it, because its televised lol.

Not to mention that the interview was conducted at PCC(where pinky and jared knew each other), even though the interviewer says that pinky actually goes to U of A. Why is this guy dressed like some kind of intentional weirdo yet he seems to be carving his details not with the purpose of giving detailed info. Its like he wants to tell us that Loughner was(and is) mentally unstable, but for some reason he's playing a game; he's attempting to give this impression without actually saying it, that is, through suggestive language. The goofy-glasses reporter helps him out in that regard, by parroting everything he says back to him in the form of another question. Unfortunately, forcing such a conversation under false pretenses yields noticeably bland results, if you're an actor, because it is already predetermined that both characters have the same goal, to suggest this info to the viewer. It really is like spotting bad acting.

Talk about over-analyzing something . How about that he's not a doctor, and really its safer to just imply people's character on national television then to be explicit?

Originally posted by Amanda5
reply to post by bknapple32

 

When everyone involved is an actor being paid to play a part - it all makes sense. Mkultra and mind control and the social control institute in England - look them up and research for yourself. People are controlled through fear. Also keep in mind that only six people control ALL the media in the world. Only six people essentially own all the television companies, movie production houses, newspapers, publishing houses and music companies. Think about it and then have another look at the video clips.
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It's like when you are looking at Where's Wally - once you have found him - you cannot unfind him!!

Much Peace...

Ive done research on mkultra. This jared kid never had any connections to the cia of industrial military complex. Theres absolutely no evidence for that. You cant just say , oh someone shot at people, must be mkultra.

I never said it was MKUltra. All I am proposing is that all the facts be looked at. To view the seven o'clock news - in any country and just accept what is given to you - is for people who do not think and who seem to want to be told what to think.

There is a lot in this world that is hidden from us - so much of what is televised is controlled to the nth degree.

I am all for exploring what we are given.

Much Peace...

Originally posted by juveous

Talk about over-analyzing something

. How about that he's not a doctor, and really its safer to just imply people's character on national television then to be explicit?

He never said he was a doctor nor did I. Just because he's not a doctor doesn't mean that he understand what mental illness is on a basic level.

Apparently this guy saw Jared's outbursts most in the advanced poetry class, which I'm assuming was some smaller workshop-style class with less than 30 students. I've been in these classes, I've had the experience of being a fellow poetry student and I think at that level most everyone is a little 'weird', in a good way, because they are free thinkers and they focus on the creative. I know I've gotten away with saying things in my workshop classes that other teachers wouldn't ever allow. If Loughner was scaring his poetry class with his outbursts, his opinions, and his blatantly bad poetry, he must have been REALLY off.

In which case, why did no one try to get him help? Shouldn't the problem have been glaringly obvious? The guy's brain was scrambled.

But that still doesn't explain why pinky can't seem to outright say that Jared's had a mental problem. I mean, pinky seems like a smart individual, a wordsmith, if you will. The reporter isnt asking him to diagnose him on-air but that doesn't mean he can't give his opinion. No, the whole interview seems very fishy. You need to put yourself in this guy's shoes. There is a reason he says everything that he does, and there is a reason he doesn't say everything that he doesn't. All of these interviews were used to paint a picture of Loughner to the general public: Drug-user, NON-political, conspiracy theorist, nihlist(which is just there way of saying 'we don't really know what to tell you this guy believed in, let's just say he believed in nothing).

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wellaware is a scam bigtime
dont go bringing Ed's work into the mix. He is Fake News




No star No Flag

Originally posted by revolutionphase1
reply to post by SilphCo

 

thank you

There are about 4-5 friends the media used. All of them are obvious actors, its crazy. Pink hair guy takes the cake though.

Be interesting to find out how many people watching this actually thought it was a little too made for TV.

The early reports indicated that Jared might be a scrabble geek so....

I was like what "Winchesteronthevese" isn't a word?

Apparently not

www.cbsnews.com...

At least now we have closure.