Anon Expose Ron Paul's Connections with White Supremacist Group

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by xstealth

Removing business regulations is exactly what we need. Are you a business owner?
Taking government out of our lives is exactly what we need, why do you think college tuition is so out of hand?

No I am not a business owner, and neither is 80% of america. So anything to benefit business owners at the expense of the other citizens is not for the "common good". We tried having a society without laws for businesses, and what we got were monopolies, robber barons, and strike breakers. It didnt work, thats why laws were made in the first place.

What does govt interference have to do with college tuition? Obama declared last week that if these PRIVATE institutions cannot bring their costs down, they will no longer recieve Federal funds, something I agree with.

So you are saying that the government should not oversee education at all? Then university degrees would not be worth anyhting, as there would be no standardization....Western Ozark U. might say you are qualified to be a nuclear physicist when MIT says you arent even close. What then?

Well there is some things the government shouldn't be involved in, one prime example is overtime. The overtime law takes away billions of potential income. Healthcare laws will limit companies from adding more employees, because once they get a certain number of employees then they have to do more for them.

This is all great, but if the primary goal is to increase employment then these are not helping. With no gov restrictions, more jobs would be added and companies would compete against other companies offering better benefits for the better workers.

We still have monopolies, where are the anti-trust laws with banks? These huge companies ignore EPA laws, AT laws, and more; its the small businesses that get fined and restricted.

Government needs to get out of the way, if they do one thing it should be prohibit private lobbying from corporations and set max campaign contributions from corporations the same as people. Corporations are people right? I don't think so, but the government does so the same contribution laws should apply.


And yes, the government needs to get out of education completely. Our school systems are a joke, and the only reason college tuition is so high is because the government backed student loans and with this and the inability to bankrupt student loans; the government gave the green light to colleges to charge as much as they want.

Originally posted by xstealth

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by xstealth

Removing business regulations is exactly what we need. Are you a business owner?
Taking government out of our lives is exactly what we need, why do you think college tuition is so out of hand?

No I am not a business owner, and neither is 80% of america. So anything to benefit business owners at the expense of the other citizens is not for the "common good". We tried having a society without laws for businesses, and what we got were monopolies, robber barons, and strike breakers. It didnt work, thats why laws were made in the first place.

What does govt interference have to do with college tuition? Obama declared last week that if these PRIVATE institutions cannot bring their costs down, they will no longer recieve Federal funds, something I agree with.

So you are saying that the government should not oversee education at all? Then university degrees would not be worth anyhting, as there would be no standardization....Western Ozark U. might say you are qualified to be a nuclear physicist when MIT says you arent even close. What then?

Well there is some things the government shouldn't be involved in, one prime example is overtime. The overtime law takes away billions of potential income. Healthcare laws will limit companies from adding more employees, because once they get a certain number of employees then they have to do more for them.

This is all great, but if the primary goal is to increase employment then these are not helping. With no gov restrictions, more jobs would be added and companies would compete against other companies offering better benefits for the better workers.

We still have monopolies, where are the anti-trust laws with banks? These huge companies ignore EPA laws, AT laws, and more; its the small businesses that get fined and restricted.

Government needs to get out of the way, if they do one thing it should be prohibit private lobbying from corporations and set max campaign contributions from corporations the same as people. Corporations are people right? I don't think so, but the government does so the same contribution laws should apply.


And yes, the government needs to get out of education completely. Our school systems are a joke, and the only reason college tuition is so high is because the government backed student loans and with this and the inability to bankrupt student loans; the government gave the green light to colleges to charge as much as they want.

I think you would be more at home in a fascist state.

No overtime laws? Sure, lets all work 70 hour weeks for pennies, just like the Chinese! That will make America great again!

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

First you believe that Media and Government are in bed together yet you're willing to swallow this drivel when Media says, Hey look here is what your new Robin Hood has done now!

Your all being manipulated. Move along, nothing to see here.

I would agree with you, except that this isnt being reported by mainstream media...only by "underground" sources.

So..... what now?

Makes no difference to me. I can have an underground source, many of them. One for Ron Paul, one for Ronmey, one for Obama, one for Newt - thing is you don't really know who is behind this or why. No one does.

Originally posted by aching_knuckles


I think you would be more at home in a fascist state.

No overtime laws? Sure, lets all work 70 hour weeks for pennies, just like the Chinese! That will make America great again!

Do you know how many companies have overtime work for their employees, but won't give them the extra hours because they don't want to pay the wage increase?

Millions of people are losing hours...

The wage agreement is between the employee and the employer, and the employee wouldn't be obligated to work the extra hours. Government never comes into that equation, and I've never seen an American working for pennies; come up with a real point instead of debating like a liberal.

reply to post by leprapom
if your gonna say yes to RP as pres then you should know follow his views and opinion's this in my view is just more RP hate and slander for if you read what he Ron Paul says on the issues you will know it is all bull spit as seen and read here www.advocate.com... from the link

mainly his belief that personal liberties should not be encroached upon by the federal government — could help him attract socially conservative voters. Paul said he believes that states should have the right to legalize gay marriage, marijuana, and prostitution if they choose to do so.

so where is it that states his is not for any of the above? It is non existent

"If you do not protect liberty across the board, it's a First Amendment–type issue," he said. "We don't have a First Amendment so we can talk about the weather. We have the First Amendment so we can say very controversial things. So, for people to say that, 'Yes, we have our religious beliefs protected, but people who want to follow something else, or a controversial religion — you can't do this' ... if you have the inconsistency, then you're really not defending liberty. But there are strict rules on freedom of choice of this sort, because you can't hurt other people, you can't defame other people, but yes, you have a right to do things that are very controversial. If not, you're going to end up with a government that can tell you what to eat or drink or whatever."

I like the last part how true

you have a right to do things that are very controversial. If not, you're going to end up with a government that can tell you what to eat or drink or whatever."

is this not what we have now or soon to be? NDAA2012 the "P"act TSA DHS the now dead SOPA and PIPA bills and now sugar???? yes they now say sugar should be regulated same as cigs beer and drugs, Have You Not Had Enough???????

reply to post by leprapom


The only people who think Ron Paul is considered to be a infallible deity-like entity are the people who say such things when talking negatively about Ron Paul. They fear repercussion for saying anything at all negative about Ron Paul, as if they're gonna be attacked without merit. Let's clear the air, no one thinks Ron Paul is a infallible deity-like entity. People will however defend their candidate of choice.

As far as this accusation from Anon, well, let's see some proof because Anon, or those who are poser Anon's, talk a lot crap.

I like minimum wage and labor laws and I'm pro-choice.

BUT, being able to get a decent wage and having an abortion if I need one won't do a bit of good if I don't have a job, and I'm locked in a cage somewhere because of thought crimes.

That's the way the country is going, so my decision to support RP is a matter of my priorities. Freedom first.

Since I don't feel like it is IN PLACE right now, it has to be top priority. Once it is restored, then I'll worry about if my granddaughter can have an abortion if she feels she needs one.

I think RP is on the right track with getting the government out of the way. Things are a lot different from a 100 years ago. My company just cut my hours as to eliminate overtime. They still want us to produce like we are working 50 hours but the hell with quality. I will probably end up fired but I believe customers should get what they pay for. How is gov regulations helping the economy right now? Unemployment is realistically at almost 12 %. You can't trust the gov to do what's right because it itself has become corrupt. Like with a free market lets the consumer decide where to shop, no regulations mean more job creation. Let employees decide where they want to work. If a company can't hire anyone because they don't offer competative overtime compensation, then they will either have to adapt or fall to the waist-side. I'm tired of a small group of people deciding what's best for the majority. Name one thing this gov has managed well.

But it wasn't a white supremacist group he was with.

I think people are forgetting the definition of words these days and are just throwing them around for the sake of it.
Hell......if you oppose immigration these days you are a 'white supremacist'.

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by _R4t_
Just because he can be connected to them doesn't mean he has anything to do with them... I know a # load of hell angels and there was lots of mafia # that ran in my family in the 50's up to the 2005 when the last "high profile" member of the family if you will, died.

edit on 1-2-2012 by _R4t_ because: (no reason given)

Hes not just "connected" to them, he has met with the leaders and discussed policy. This is akin to your family's dad working on a plan with the Hells Angels, then the Mafia gets pissed and your dad says "Hey come on, Im just connected to them!"

In my eyes, if you are a racist, you are ignoring the Constitution of the US, and therefore cannot be a "constitutionalist".

See this is the type of mentality that cause lots of people to be labeled and conflict in this world... Its like saying... Oh he spoke of sex with homosexuals he HAS to be gay...

Being a "constitutionalist" wouldn't it mean he has to threat every americans equaly??? Is job as a politician is not to discriminate but to listen all parties and try to make a good decision that will suit everybody and the country at once...

If you want racist go read Mrs. Obama's thesis... wait lemme cut n' paste one of the best line for you when speaking of her project and how she's going to conduct her study...

“Respondents will be more comfortable with blacks than whites when they will take part in interactive activities with both of these races”.

So how long before this thread is deemed "Off Topic" by ATS staff? (*waves to tothetenthpower*)

In any case, I am kind if loving how some of the right wing trolls are totally flip-flopping in regards to Anonymous. Why it wasn't that long ago some where cheering them on because of that fake Anonymous video claiming Anonymous would take down CNN due to unfair treatment/coverage of Ron Paul.

No matter - this issue is not going away. It will not be swept under the rug. There is clearly something to these claims, and I think it's high time Ron Paul puts his big boy pants on and gets in front of this.

It's 2012 people. Racism is not something to be tolerated.

This is complete and utter propaganda. They claim to be opposed to tyranny, but here they are now trying to slander the only hope for a free world. Just more evidence that they are controlled or imitated by intelligence agencies. I often spend several hours trying to figure out if a particular anon statement is actually legit and backed by them, but this time I can't be bothered... I think it's absolutely clear who is behind this one.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder


dictionary.reference.com...

In order for this to be "slander" - it would have to be untrue. Why do Ron Paul supporters here on ATS continue to misuse this word (esp. on this particular topic)?

In any case, the evidence keeps piling up. I know this stings, but clearly there has to be truthful elements to this story and situation regarding Ron Paul and his ties to white power groups.

That's the thing about anon. Anyone can attach themselves as an "official" spokesperson for any OP and say anything they want for any reason.

So, even though i support Anon (and Ron Paul), the system makes it difficult to trust. Also, I think Ron Paul will give anyone a chance to talk and listen to their ideas. Even a racist person is going to have some real concern and logical complaints/ideas not pertaining to their prejudices at all.

I mean Rosalyn Carter met with serial murdered John Wayne Gacy.. doesn't mean it reflects who she is.

If he talked to white supremacists a few times it would have to be compared to how many times he talked to other groups.

The NAACP prez gave him the nod and said he wasn't a racist, that's good enough for me.

reply to post by leprapom


Because they tend to be more leftist anarchist, in my observation. Otherwise they would be for real individual liberty. I guess they really stand for collective anonymity after all. And I do mean collective. The mask represents no individuality if you think about it. It's great for activism, but when it comes down to it, why did they support OWS, a leftist movement associated with CPUSA and even endorsements from Neo Nazis. Neither OWS nor anon seem to support Ron Paul and individual liberties. Why did Anon support the Egypt uprising but not the Tea Party? Doesn't that tell all of us something?

Originally posted by negativenihil
reply to post by ChaoticOrder

 

I know this stings

being viciously anti-immigrant, anti-abortion and against gay marriage — not to mention having authored the racist “Ron Paul Papers”

Do you know how many times these individual points have been brought up on ATS and proven to be based on nonsense? This is most certainly the typical slander we see against Ron Paul, the only new thing here is some supposed connection to 'A3P members'.. now lets see the evidence shall we?

In addition to finding the usual racist rants and interactions with other white
power groups, we also found a disturbingly high amount of members who are also involved in campaigning for Ron Paul. According to these messages, Ron Paul has regularly met with many A3P members, even engaging in conference calls with their board of directors.

So it's according to the word of racists? So many people have tried to run with this 'Ron Paul is racist' nonsense, that I wouldn't find it surprising in the least if these racists actually believed it, and backed Ron Paul for that reason. Now should we believe their word that Ron Paul actually meets with these people? I hardly think so.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


I would be willing to bet Jimmie Carter had secret meetings with the Ayatollah even while pretending to endorse the Shah. That is pretty typical of radical behavior.We know that in the end he left the Shah out to dry while his administration supported the radical clerics.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Ok.. maybe?
I don't know if it's really relevant. I only mentioned Rosalyn in jest.

Originally posted by negativenihil
reply to post by ChaoticOrder

 

dictionary.reference.com...

In order for this to be "slander" - it would have to be untrue. Why do Ron Paul supporters here on ATS continue to misuse this word (esp. on this particular topic)?

In any case, the evidence keeps piling up. I know this stings, but clearly there has to be truthful elements to this story and situation regarding Ron Paul and his ties to white power groups.

edit on 2-2-2012 by negativenihil because: (no reason given)

After reading the link I'm not convinced. It's just claims by an anonymous blogger. No proof? No documents they supposedly uncovered? It's just a claim. I'd be more than happy to change my opinion if proof were presented.....yet there is none. If they really found something it'd be pasted up all over the internet already. So where is it? Otherwise it's just a......

NON-ISSUE....btw, show me the evidence that is "piling' up. The only thing I see piling up are claims with no evidence. Yeah.....sure sounds like a "pile" to me!

MODS need to move this to the HOAX Section.


NO PROOF yet, move this thread.