Is Magick real?

I think it is what do you think? (To the Christians.) If I use such magic am I going to hell?




I created a "New" magick
Thanaterochrist
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Chaos is not the opposite of order, but the order that is beyond what can be conceived.

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If you use magic maliciously you go to hell, if you work miracles you are sainted.

Because divine intervention is not a tool that can be trusted in mans hands, we do not believe man has the right to use magic. Magic certainly exists, tautology of the powerful forces we can't begin to comprehend is that since we do not comprehend them we can not use them.

We find ourselves looking at a tap of energy that can be relied on for centuries, the Sun. Magic is real, we merely need tools to tap into a wireless network of anonymously-requested energy at any location we desire for whatever reason we can apply it to. No one wants to give anonymity the power of the sun, but I am not afraid of Anonymous.

Expect me.


EDIT2: watch first video, kinda excited. Second video now, excitement unabated.

Originally posted by Sachyriel
If you use magic maliciously you go to hell, if you work miracles you are sainted.

Because divine intervention is not a tool that can be trusted in mans hands, we do not believe man has the right to use magic. Magic certainly exists, tautology of the powerful forces we can't begin to comprehend is that since we do not comprehend them we can not use them.

We find ourselves looking at a tap of energy that can be relied on for centuries, the Sun. Magic is real, we merely need tools to tap into a wireless network of anonymously-requested energy at any location we desire for whatever reason we can apply it to. No one wants to give anonymity the power of the sun, but I am not afraid of Anonymous.

Expect me.

I am one of the Masters who make the grass green. I use white magick.


Any other enlightened magi online?

I suspect it is, yes.

I think there are very few people who have it mastered; and that anyone who uses it for malfeasance is punished multi-fold for having done so.

I've dabbled, studied, cast spells of protection or healing or comfort....
been part of 'circles' to raise a healing force to send out....
prayed....
meditated...
all the standard common-knowledge techniques.

But then again, I've also simply asked the angels, who I'm told (and tend to believe) are waiting always, around us, for our requests.

Is there something more to our universe than we see/feel/hear/touch/smell????

I am certain there is.
Only those with the noblest of intentions are given the secrets. I'm nowhere near that yet.....
but....the main rule is "if it harms none, do as you will"
hey, you asked!

Originally posted by wildtimes
I suspect it is, yes.

I think there are very few people who have it mastered; and that anyone who uses it for malfeasance is punished multi-fold for having done so.

I've dabbled, studied, cast spells of protection or healing or comfort....
been part of 'circles' to raise a healing force to send out....
prayed....
meditated...
all the standard common-knowledge techniques.

But then again, I've also simply asked the angels, who I'm told (and tend to believe) are waiting always, around us, for our requests.

Is there something more to our universe than we see/feel/hear/touch/smell????

I am certain there is.
Only those with the noblest of intentions are given the secrets. I'm nowhere near that yet.....
but....the main rule is "if it harms none, do as you will"
hey, you asked!

If it's not hermetics its not real magick. Christians/Jews what do you think of this... Moses was taught by a heraphont into the studies of hermetics. SO Hermetics should not be considered evil.
www.kybalion.org...
www.hermetics.org

Stay on the GOD aligning side of the spectrum if you don't want "them" after you.

So you think it's real?

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Oh, sorry.. Now I see your question was directed at the Christians...

Um, well, nevertheless, that's what I think...I was raised a Christian, have since renounced any 'organized' path...but still have allegiance to the actual teachings....
of love.

EDIT in response to edit:
Yes, that site would encompass (at first blush) what I believe.
I believe Christ himself studied those teachings, and his 'miracles' were magic. If they happened at all.

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Magick is at its core psychology. So yes it is in fact very real!

If you think you are going to be casting level 5 fire ball, than quit while your ahead because that's not going to happen.

It is about focus, perception. Utilizing your WILL to achieve a union with YHWH, GOD, The ONE.

But in the end its practice is manifested by the user. There is no wrong or right way, no dogma is attached. Do not let anyone tell you that you must do this or must do that, let your holy spirit tell you these things. There are many good books that can act as a reference or guide, but again I warn you these books are not bibles or books of dogma even if presented as such, you must find the path.

The Tree of Life: By Israel Regardie

In a Garden of Pomegranates: By Israel Regardie

The Book of Thoth: Aleister Crowley

There are many more but I consider these some of the best of modern mysticism. But many of the principles in these books can be interpreted from all the holy books of the world.

Good luck on your quest my friend.



ETA: Oh and yes most Christians believe the use of Magick is evil, and is the power of Lucifer.

Originally posted by wildtimes
But then again, I've also simply asked the angels, who I'm told (and tend to believe) are waiting always, around us, for our requests.

Is there something more to our universe than we see/feel/hear/touch/smell????

I am certain there is.
Only those with the noblest of intentions are given the secrets. I'm nowhere near that yet.....
but....the main rule is "if it harms none, do as you will"
hey, you asked!

whistles Hey, over here. I'm not the best angel but I can answer some questions. I am educated in mortal manners, moreso than in divine matters.

>Is there something more to our universe than we see/feel/hear/touch/smell????

Yes, I find it hard to believe you can't see such truth when presented with its silhouette.

Pink is an implication of how light works, it is made up of many reflections of the light emitted we can't see; the electromagnetic spectrum is wider than our vision, however pink is a silhouette of the truth that there are more than the colours we can see, bouncing around in this world off surfaces we can see. Pinks power is not deceit, but illumination of ignorance.

I do not expect this simple matter to be taken as mind-blowing evidence of Gods plan, but a plan is there if you look for it. Disregard its evidence, you'll never believe.

>Only those with the noblest of intentions are given the secrets.

The noblest of intention leads to Hell, do not fight a devil you can't beat. Asking questions, speak truth to power, find the power of truth is the one you want to speak to, spare no words on the demons that beset you, be strong my friend.

Noah apparently cast a curse on Ham's son which turned his skin black. There seems to be nothing in the bible that says god punished him for it. Least nothing i can find

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>Is there something more to our universe than we see/feel/hear/touch/smell????

Yes, I find it hard to believe you can't see such truth when presented with its silhouette.

I DO see it....I think you may be misinterpreting my meaning.
I KNOW there is more to it.
thanks, though, looking forward to more interaction here on our beloved ATS (if you're willing)....

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We are free, we understand truth, cya around later.

reply to post by EzenSurreal777


You cannot be sent to a place that does not exist unless you create it for yourself.

Chaos is not the opposite of order, but the order that is beyond what can be conceived.

Very well put. Keeping that in mind the pursuit of magic, majick, majik, etc is not an easy task nor advised for most people. It is reaching into the chaos of the universe and creating/manifesting your will. It reminds me of this scene from DUNE

It is not something to be undertaken lightly nor with a flippant attitude. It is easier to cause harm with it than help. Most of us are conditioned this way by TPTB from birth. In my humble opinion it is worth pursuing once your mind has been freed. Funny thing is, all the things you dream of creating with it tend to fall away once you are free. Priorities change, LoL.

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Once you convince yourself you are free what chance do you have at convincing yourself you'll lay your freedom down for the chance to liberate others? Life on the line, or life on the lamb?

Quote: It is about focus, perception. Utilizing your WILL to achieve a union with YHWH, GOD, The ONE

Couldn't have said it better myself. Before someone wants to start "practicing" majic, they need to learn how to focus on tasks. They need to start small and work their way up. They need to learn how to keep their focus no matter what else is happening around them. Mental distractions will kill majic faster than anything else.

The question of whether majic exists is also open to the individuals definition of the word, and this will be determined by what the individual wants to accomplish. If you're thinking David Copperfield or Chris Angell, think again. These are illusionists, these are not majicians. Majic, to me, is the ability to change your reality through sheer will alone. It takes action of course, but it all starts in your mind and it has to stay there until the change is complete. And this is where focus comes into play.

You're not going to complete a task, any task, if you keep getting distracted. Whether you're eating an apple or summoning spirits, you have to keep at it relentlessly until you're done. Now eating an apple is obviously not majic, but summoning spirits is. I think majic is so misunderstood and laughed at these days because our society is not geared to thinking about things in the long term. From 10 second T.V. commercials, to the way they edit T.V. shows and movies to show shortened clips that make the movie or show as a whole, we are bombarded every day by things that require us to think in short, sharp shocks. This sort of thing is not conducive to majic and, to me, it's getting us away from our full potential as humans. We are so pre-occupied by what we see, that we forget about what we feel.

Do I practice majic? I haven't for a long time, but what I have to accomplish these days borders on that. At least to most people in todays society. Kind of the same type of thing I had to do a long time ago. I can do things that most people around just can't seem to do. Why? Because I know how to focus on what needs to be done in my life, and at times others', and I don't allow distractions to get in my way. There are times when that focus involves doing things within other peoples' "timelines" if you will, but most of the time I just have to let nature take it's course.[ I learned the hard way a long time ago how bad things can happen to a person when they try to push things"through the pipeline" so to speak.] And simply by doing that, I can accomplish things that leave people scratching their heads. It can also frustrate people, myself included, but nature is what it is.

The amount of emotional multi-tasking that I'm having to do these days would be enough to make most peoples' heads explode. And it wasn't until recently that some people even knew what the hell was going on. This is where focus comes in again. If you let people in to what what's going on in your life in this regard it can cause distractions. You have to be able to put up a wall between what needs to be done and the world around you. You still socialize, work, and do everything else that needs to be done during the course of the day, but you have to keep the emotions out of the mix. [Again, it's been a long time since I've had to do something like this, so I'm working on the emotions part.] There will come a time though that you have to let all of this out for your own sake. An emotional bloodletting if you will. If you keep too much of it inside for too long, that in and of itself can be a distraction.

My final word on majic; Yes, it exists, but not in the way that many people think it does. The definition of the word has been so bastardized through the years that most people wouldn't know real majic if it came up and bit 'em the a**. But all in all, it's really not that big of a thing. And that's where the misunderstandings come in at becasue people think of majic as some sort of mysterious, otherworldy art form. It isn't. It's a natural process that a person can either tap into or they can't. It's really that simple.

There are people though who seem to be natural at it and they don't fully realize it. They don't seem to fit in anywhere too well on a personal level and they're always on the look out for something. They don't know exactly what it is they're looking for, but they'll know when they find it. Some people call them angels flying too close to the ground. There's a line in this song that sums them up perfectly.

"We all have wings, but some of us don't know why"

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It also reminds so much of how Germany looked in the early '80's when I was there. Beautiful

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But all in all, it's really not that big of a thing. And that's where the misunderstandings come in at becasue people think of majic as some sort of mysterious, otherworldy art form. It isn't. It's a natural process that a person can either tap into or they can't. It's really that simple.

There are people though who seem to be natural at it and they don't fully realize it. They don't seem to fit in anywhere too well on a personal level and they're always on the look out for something. They don't know exactly what it is they're looking for, but they'll know when they find it.

Thanks, Taupin. You said it beautifully. Maybe I'm closer to getting it than I thought. What say you?

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As a "Christian" I would have to say yes I believe magick is real. I have myself have seen magick and no it wasn't Houdini magick or Chris Angel magick but real magick that could be felt and seen. In fact several times in Scripture magick or sorcery is mentioned. King Saul went to the witch of endor who was a powerful necromancer and shaman and requested that the spirit of Samuel the Prophet be summoned so he could speak with him. Scripture even forbids the use of socery and witchcraft saying that anyone who practises such arts should be put to death. I however don't believe in such extremities. I have seen the effect magick has on the user and it isn't pretty and I think it is punishment enough.

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I'll PM you later tonight, early this a.m.

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reply to post by Sachyriel

Once you convince yourself you are free what chance do you have at convincing yourself you'll lay your freedom down for the chance to liberate others? Life on the line, or life on the lamb?

Same chance as anything else you undertake. It is either something you choose or not. Is this a Jesus reference?

Originally posted by EzenSurreal777
I think it is what do you think? (To the Christians.) If I use such magic am I going to hell?

I created a "New" magick
Thanaterochrist
en.wikipedia.org...

Chaos is not the opposite of order, but the order that is beyond what can be conceived.

Read more: www.answers.com...

edit on 31-1-2012 by EzenSurreal777 because: (no reason given)

You used the word magick first. What kind of magick do you mean? Do you mean the Harry Potter kind or the Aleistair Crowley kind? Are you trying to cause something to change in the natural by attempting to manipulate the natural? I am sure your car would seem to be magick to people who lived a thousand years ago, as well as the internet we post on.

Explain what you mean by magick. Do you mean the Mickey Mouse kind?

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I think it is what do you think? (To the Christians.) If I use such magic am I going to hell?

Magic is the use of natural law. Define the word esoteric and you find that it means hidden from view by a select few. Define the word occult and you find that it means hidden. Science reveals what is hidden in nature. Magic becomes just another natural law when explained by inquiry. God is ultimately the governor of all law that binds the universe into purpose. The question of heaven or hell is merely a question of belief. Do you believe in God? Do you believe that He sent His Son to die your death on a cross, therefore freeing you from the sin in the garden?

What is the sin? The misuse of the fruit of knowledge. What is the misuse of the fruit? Using it for gain. What does God use it for in nature? To give. What is the opposite of giving? Taking. What are you when you take? A thief. Who did John the Baptist say would be refused baptism into a new life? Remember, Jesus said, "you must be born again."

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.

9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

Who were the Saddusees and the Pharisees? They were the experts in the law. They were using the law to manipulate the people. What does magic desire?

Now you can answer your own question.

Then, realize this. How many theives were on the cross? Two. One repented and the other scoffed. Who met Christ in paradise? Even at 11:59pm, the one who repented made it just in time. Christ saved him by his faith.

To repent, a person turns away from the sin. Give and don't take. This is God's will for all of us.