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Originally posted by Ralphy
Lets say someone raped and killed some children and the parents of the children wanted the attacker to be set free from jail and forgiven. Would the morality in this situation depend on if the attacker realized what he did and how it hurt the family? Would it be wrong for the family to forgive the man that destroyed their family?
Do you have to have limits on the golden rule? Say the father of the children pictured himself in the shoes of the attacker, maybe he would of thought he would like to be forgiven and shown mercy in those shoes.
Would it be crazy to forgive someone with that mentality of picturing yourself in their shoes and wishing for mercy even though the attacker doesn't care about his actions?
I guess what I'm getting at is, should we forgive/love people who haven't yet learned their lesson?
Originally posted by yourboycal2
reply to post by Ralphy
Actions speak louder then words , he has to show genuine regret to even be considered for forgivness.
There can't be anything to forgive if he is not sorry for his actions , and deeply regrets it . That wound takes along time to heal,
but if he shows consistency in those years of grief , then i would re-consider his plea. You don't have to love him , but you don't have to hate him either , there is dislike.
Only if he was truly sorry , i would eventually forgive .
Originally posted by theBigToe
Use your brain and answer if you want to love a child raping pedophile yourself.
Originally posted by Ralphy
Originally posted by theBigToe
Use your brain and answer if you want to love a child raping pedophile yourself.
I think you misunderstood me.
I'm just bringing this up for discussion sake to see how different people view this situation. I'm not talking about supporting murder and rape, I'm just mentioning if people like that deserve forgiveness and if so in what context.
Originally posted by yourboycal2
reply to post by theBigToe
There are plenty of reasons to forgive people , if there was no forgivness , then we should just put to death all the killers and rapists that are in prison now ?
didn't think so....
Originally posted by yourboycal2
reply to post by theBigToe
Killing the problem is not the solution , it only kicks the can down the road. A person who murders and rapes children , yes i agree should not be part of society , but should be allowed to live remainder of his life in designated areas. Forgivness comes with time. Everyone deserves forgivness if they are truly sorry ,and willing to do whatever it takes for society , to earn that trust back. If they willing to go through all of that , i don't see why not.
your empathy might have a limit , but mine i believe goes further
Originally posted by Questioneer05
do you believe that you're crazy? if it, you are, becase we all are one, is really crazy to know it? if someone feels pain, it will affect you? and i mean in fisical way, will, maybe, that person attack you? it will make you feel what he/she feels... or at least something close to it...
if you can forgive, you just understand yourself, and everyone, that's the first step
Originally posted by yourboycal2
reply to post by theBigToe
I was giving examples of not forgiving , and maybe not you , but some advocate cap punishment.
I also made it clear they should be in designated areas .
They are human beings just like any other , they have sexual urges towards children , and a sick mind to murder. I believe people can be rehabilitated . But many would rather see them perish , then to keep trying .
pedophilia is a major problem world wide , and some of our powerful leader have been accused of engaging in it . We have to get to the root of the problem , instead of patching it up
Originally posted by Manula
reply to post by theBigToe
Are you perfect? Never did anything wrong in your life?
Show some mercy and compassion for your brothers and sisters, of course people must deal with their wrong doing but people like you only add more misery and negativity, no cure, no love, no evolution from you, why don't you grow up a little.
Originally posted by yourboycal2
reply to post by theBigToe
Not with today's tech is right , there are ways though in the future . Espically with nano -tech.
a sexual fetish is nothing more then the pathways of the brain and neuron connections. , it can be altered
There are plenty of ways to deal with the brain , neurons , thought patterns and processes.
your a firm believer the punishment to fit the crime ? okay , who decides which punishment is equal to the crime?
what scale do you use?
capitol punishment is wrong because your just as ugly as the person who commited the crime. This is no secret. It only patches the problem , not fixes its root causes.
with time , new tech's , new therapy , new rehabilitation they can be fixed.
It is one of the many projects i want to tackle , and its on the to do list. I need to get alot of resources first to set up my own trials.
it can be done , but to dismiss them and never to forgive them doesn't help anybody , only compounds the problem. It may take a long long time , but if they do show improvment and genuine sympathy , i see no reason why not.