Government conspiracy to stop you from eating horse meat

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by mainidh

 

Yes and it begs the question why people want to kill our horses for mass consumption.

All I can think is that it's the human mind to consider everything and anything beneath us. That logic scares me, because in the wrong mind it applies to people also, which my first post was intended to make light of.

If people are starving and it is necessary I believe in survival of the fittest, but this has nothing to do with survival and all about a form of status. The irony is, those who claim it is their right to eat anything they want, would never do it themselves and would prefer someone else to sell it to them, this I am fairly sure of.. Because someone in the position to do it, would not be sitting at home, on the PC, bemoaning about it, but already doing it for survival.

This argument is so old, I remember I first had it on the internet in about 1994. Maybe early 1995. and the arguments were the same. Me Human, Kill creature. No need, but Blood lust and make me feel superior!!

Heh but back them, manners and decorum were not alive and well, and I tended to rile a lot of people.

Oh well, Ultimately, its like saying I can blow up the moon because it's mine. Why cant I?

Originally posted by mainidh

Originally posted by randomtangentsrme
reply to post by thehoneycomb

 

I agree with you, until the hunt is unsuccessful for a week and the horse has cropped all the land round abouts, and there are two animals starving. You and the horse.
Would you deny yourself food while watching a pet starve?

Would you deny yourself food while watching your child starve?

You can always make more later, when you're satiated and back on the prowl!

No I would not. But I'd make the best horse roast I could for my children. Or grasshopper stew. Or grass tea if there was nothing else.
Are you suggesting horses have the same status as human children? Or that horses don't reproduce therefore eating them will cause an extinction of the equine population?

reply to post by randomtangentsrme


Until they start adding hormones into it for added nutritional 'value'.

There is a plethora of healthy and tasty animals we've been eating for centuries. Not everything has to moo or buck buck in order for it to be tasty either.

As for the bile duct, I am referring to keeping the bear alive and using a butterfly on it's stomach to extract it daily.. to the point the creature claws at it's own stomach and effectively commits suicide. All for the act of human greed.

Did you see the thread recently about the chemical fed to pigs in order to make them leaner but larger? Which can be consumed by humans as a result? Banned in China of all places. But we eat it.

It appears to add about 3kg of bulk meat product to the animal.

You think they won't do the same to commercially mass slaughtered horse? Money is the god for these people to worship. And we are the congregation.

Your lean horse would soon become just another red meat on a shelf, tasteless, full of poison and mass produced in sheds where the quality of care is not important as long as it produces numbers.

For what? Some fat people to go "It's my god given right to eat things."

Originally posted by randomtangentsrme

Originally posted by mainidh

Originally posted by randomtangentsrme
reply to post by thehoneycomb

 

I agree with you, until the hunt is unsuccessful for a week and the horse has cropped all the land round abouts, and there are two animals starving. You and the horse.
Would you deny yourself food while watching a pet starve?

Would you deny yourself food while watching your child starve?

You can always make more later, when you're satiated and back on the prowl!

No I would not. But I'd make the best horse roast I could for my children. Or grasshopper stew. Or grass tea if there was nothing else.
Are you suggesting horses have the same status as human children? Or that horses don't reproduce therefore eating them will cause an extinction of the equine population?

I'm not a god fearing peasant. Food is food, is it not? What qualifies a human as better than any other form of meat? We all bleed, we all taste better cooked, and we all die.

Haha... I thought so. Humans are animals, not something placed on this earth to be worshipped.

Oh not by a long shot... If anything, we are a parasite, a plague.

inb4, No I won't take the first step, as I know where this is heading.

cant talk now, brb eating fluffy as I cant be stuffed calling for a pizza...

Originally posted by 1000TonBlocks
Hi ATS,

I believe it is my right to eat horse meat, but the government doesn't want to allow me to eat it. It is wrong and I should be allowed to eat what i want.

This is another B.S. announcement by some crackpot on ATS, IMHO. Are you even American? Hell freakin' no, I don't want to eat Horse Meat!!!!!!!!! Just because you think it's okay dosen't mean the rest of us want it.

At least give me the option is all! And "NO, I'm not sorry"! I Don't eat horse meat and don't want to!!!!!!!!!!!

Get the #### outta here with this crap

ETA
Besides, no one animal is our only way of survival as humans. There's things called Veggies in case some of you missed that in the 5th grade! Eat Horse meat ...PAAAHHHlease

If your going to eat horse, well i hope its this one..

Enjoy eating this.

It's a cultural thing horsemeat. It's quite popular in France for instance. Most differences in eating habits are cultural really, it depends a lot on where and how you were brought up.

Personally if I was hungry enough I'd eat it but it's not something I'd usually consider. If you like horsemeat though OP no one should be able to stop you eating it, as long as it's safe.

P.S. Why all the fuss? Horsemeat has been on the menu for cenruries in parts of Europe, Asia and Central America so it's not exactly a new thing. According to Wikipedia 4.7 million horses consumed worldwide every year.

en.wikipedia.org...

Horses have fought with man through thick and thin, like dogs, and to this extent I don't agree with eating them.
It's like eating your allies.

reply to post by hadriana


True but throughout history they have been used as a source of food. Ppoularity has waxed and waned through the ages but eating horse became more of a taboo once man started to use them as beasts of burden etc.

Now they also have 'pet status' which turns people off to the idea of eating them as well. People, especially in the West and myself included have a great deal of respect for horses but it doesn't change the fact they have been and still are a viable source of protein.

I would have to be starving to eat horse, but i can't say i wouldn't because I just might be hungry enough one day. Anyway it's not the done thing in the UK. You would only find horse in dodgy sausages theres too long a tradition and respect of horses so horsemeat is avoided

Don't knock it till you've tried it!

reply to post by HallamFoe


I have to say I've never tried it? But I'm not really knocking it. I know there's people out there who would swear by it. Each to they're own I say, I have nothing against anyone who eats horse meat.

I have tried horse meat before, it was OK but not my favorite and I have also tried many other meats like the Australian witchetty grub, kangaroo, rabbit, and many others... I am always yet to try something new.

You think this is disgusting because you love your fellow animals because you have a relationship with them? Right? And all those that resonate with your thoughts on this are part of your comfort zone?

What about the creatures that we have lived with for hundreds if not thousands of years? Pigs, Chickens, Cow's, goats etc... That we kill at will and eat with no conscience what so ever regardless of how they feel.

I have always wondered why we don't pay closer attention to the creatures we have grown to live with through the centuries as we would certainly have had an effect on them.

I have four beautiful chickens that I love and they are my pets. I love them to bits. I won't eat them but that does not mean I don't like chicken.

I agree that it is a cultural thing, although I think it would require someone special to think escargot's should be protected!

How about fresh roadkill chili? I guess it's a matter of where you live and what your habits are. I knew some folks that lived off in the sticks that would check the highways daily for fresh meat. They didn't like to see just any good protein go to waste. on the other hand, I live in a large enough city that has plenty of butcher shops to sell me beef, pork, and chicken and even stop by places that serve up goat stew, which is really quite good if you haven't had it. Those meats keep me plenty satisfied, though as I get older my tastes are leaning toward less meat and more veggies, cheese, eggs, and such. I prefer goat milk to cow but it isn't nearly as available so I just have to make do most of the time.

Though I live in a city of around one million people it is not uncommon to see horses roaming free nibbling along sidewalks and homes and keeping some vacant lots cleared out. Some tie their horses in the various vacant lots to feed, and I do see a pack of three horses that roam free that wander by my home on occasion to nibble. I assume none of these horses are being raised for meat, but stuff does happen on occasion.

About three block from me to the north and to the west a beltway highway three lanes wide in each direction rounds along the outside of our neighborhood. As I went to the cajero/ATM to draw out a few pesos a few weeks back I saw a horse lying along the side of the outter lane of this highway, most likely hit by a truck that commonly use the outter lanes. A shame and a pity, I thought. Free-roaming horses in a residential area inside a large city are bound to stray off to the highway, possibly attracted by the long and wide green belt that separates the directions of traffic along this road. Removing a stricken horse from the side of the road is an enormous task and not nearly so easy as removing a large dog. It would surprise me if that horse would be taken to the animal shelter and incinerated. More likely that the horse's owner would find it, take it home, and serve it up to family and friends. Such a large animal could be providing tacos for weeks.

ETA: I've never tried horse meat, just never been offered any. Venison is great, love it when I can get it. I tried alligator once before at a booth at a fair. It had the looks and texture of pork but also had kind of a fishy flavor. Ostrich is good too.

reply to post by mainidh


any one else notice @ 00:57 " he " has an udder - so much for logic

Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by 1000TonBlocks

 

I don't need a Government conspiracy to tell me to not eat horse meat.

What is the point? It's not like we're all going to die from not getting some animal flesh.

What next, another animal species exploited by the meat industry, raised in pens to be slaughtered for your convenience? If there's a buck to be made...

edit on 1/30/2012 by ANOK because: typo

I couldn't agree more. Okay, the farmers in TX and other states couldn't afford to feed their cows and now the government is encouraging yet another supply of mouths to feed? Also, it IS a cultural thing and I wonder how many pounds of horse flesh packaged for human consumption will end up in processed dog food because of lack of interest by the masses.

reply to post by Gridrebel


Well, if it is like Australia, then pet food is far from just left overs.

According to the Federal Government Department Of Agriculture around 40,000 horses are slaughtered each year in Australia for human consumption and the pet food industry, mostly for overseas markets, the biggest of which is Japan and also includes France, Switzerland, Belgium and Luxembourg.

link

I don't get the big deal.

For me the important issues are the manner of production and slaughter. How are cows different?

Originally posted by JibbyJedi
McDonald's isn't going anywhere anytime soon, plenty of horse meat to be enjoyed.

In all seriousness, horse meat would improve their menu greatly.

LMAO!

Thanks for that! HAHAHAHA!

how it is your "right" to eat a certain kind of meat? Try going to an spca and buying a dog to kill and eat. Society determines what animals are ok to eat or not. It is not a "right" to eat whatever you want.

Originally posted by 1000TonBlocks
Hi ATS,

I believe it is my right to eat horse meat, but the government doesn't want to allow me to eat it. It is wrong and I should be allowed to eat what i want.

What? There's no conspiracy. Horse slaughter has been re instated(US), and am sure in some places(where are you?) you can eat it.

Originally posted by loam
I don't get the big deal.

For me the important issues are the manner of production and slaughter. How are cows different?

edit on 30-1-2012 by loam because: (no reason given)

Horses that are sent to cattle slaughter farms, due to the employees not knowing about the difference between horses and cattle anatomy, endure not being put down properly resulting in being slaughtered while alive. The captive bolt gun used to slaughter cattle, if not paced properly-a position which is different than from bovine-on the equine skull, will not euthanize them. Many of times the employee doesn't know what to do in that case. The horse is continually shot, if no death occurs the horse is cut up alive.

There's other concerns brought about of horse treatment within cattle factory farms.

If you want to go into further into study the Humane Society and others bring up these points.
Also, of example, I found a page of videos:warning very graphic:
Humane Farming Associate Investigation Videos