The Mark of the Beast Question for Non-Believers

Have any of you ever considered the absurdity of a bar code on someone's forehead? Do you really think people want to walk around with that on their face? Get real. The Mark of the Beast is defined by your thoughts (forehead) and actions (hands). Much like when God puts his seal on the saints. That seal being on their foreheads and hands. People take the bible way too literally. Especially, Revelations which is almost entirely allegorical and metaphorical.

reply to post by PhantomLimb

Have any of you ever considered the absurdity of a bar code on someone's forehead? Do you really think people want to walk around with that on their face? Get real.

What if its an implantable chip, that can be inserted without any disfiguration? Would that make it any less absurd?

Originally posted by PhantomLimb
Have any of you ever considered the absurdity of a bar code on someone's forehead? Do you really think people want to walk around with that on their face? Get real. The Mark of the Beast is defined by your thoughts (forehead) and actions (hands). Much like when God puts his seal on the saints. That seal being on their foreheads and hands. People take the bible way too literally. Especially, Revelations which is almost entirely allegorical and metaphorical.

edit on 1/30/2012 by PhantomLimb because: (no reason given)

Good reply, more or less what I think. Those who believe 666 is a physical mark are probably barking up the wrong tree. Though I doubt a little chip is enough to damn one's soul eternally I still would not have one. It is distasteful and an invasion of my being and space and as such would be morally wrong to force this.

The mark of the beast is like a seal. Revelations writes about God's Seal, too!

It will not be anything out of this world or different. It will be just a revamp of latter day Rome losing the plot and a World Leader becoming so psychotic that he thinks he is God. Authority in the world will be given to the beast (that is control of governments, kingdoms and economies). The beast will hate Christians and will expect everyone to bend the knee as did Nero and all the other loonies. It is a slow process but clearly is beginning to take shape. I have watched the world become more Satanic in character universally through my own short life. Anti Christ means rejection and complete disrespect for Christ and people who belong to Christ. There are anti Christ posts here on ATS all the time of course. So know it you who hate Christ and Christianity who you are!!! Be warned!

Originally posted by rightwingbadass
reply to post by mileysubet

 

The god of christianity (my god) does not require you to mark yourself, as far as i can tell. In fact, deuteronomy in the bible forbids tattooing, or "marking yourself for the dead" (i don't know what the latter means, probably needs historical context). The only mark mentioned in revelations is a mark that god places on the forheads of his followers, which is only visible to other true christians so that they will know who to trust.

The mark of the beast, or the antichrist, is more of like signing yourself over to the devil's side in such a way that there is no turning back.

Just reading through replies and came on this one.
That God, at one point, required his people to mark themselves with circumcision. It's not really "required" for gentiles, and i don't know if jews still do it. Probably.

reply to post by AQuestion


When Nazis took over Germany the old money was no longer good. The new money, which was commonly called marks, had to be in a persons hand before they could buy, but SS troops could buy just by having the emblem on their hat. I'm thinking that this means the mark of the beast in your hand or on your forehead before you could buy anything. By doing this, Germany invalidated all the Jews money that they hoarded and made it worthless and Jews powerless.

I believe this fulfills that particular bible prophecy and I've seen nothing else that fulfills it. Everybody tries to project bible prophecies into the future while ignoring the possibility that it could be happening now, or already has happened. Nazis spoke of a 1000 year Reich, while the bible speaks of 1000 years tribulations. They could be the same.

Part of the problem with Revelations is that it causes your mind to panic and rush so that you see all of that stuff happening in a nutshell, but a careful reading shows that much time occurs throughout Revelations.

Of course, I'm no prophet and I could be wrong.

Originally posted by Magnificient
reply to post by AQuestion

 

When Nazis took over Germany the old money was no longer good. The new money, which was commonly called marks, had to be in a persons hand before they could buy, but SS troops could buy just by having the emblem on their hat. I'm thinking that this means the mark of the beast in your hand or on your forehead before you could buy anything. By doing this, Germany invalidated all the Jews money that they hoarded and made it worthless and Jews powerless.

I believe this fulfills that particular bible prophecy and I've seen nothing else that fulfills it. Everybody tries to project bible prophecies into the future while ignoring the possibility that it could be happening now, or already has happened. Nazis spoke of a 1000 year Reich, while the bible speaks of 1000 years tribulations. They could be the same.

Part of the problem with Revelations is that it causes your mind to panic and rush so that you see all of that stuff happening in a nutshell, but a careful reading shows that much time occurs throughout Revelations.

Of course, I'm no prophet and I could be wrong.

That's interesting what you write about not being able to buy and sell unless you had the mark. That means that it must be more than just a spiritual seal; it must be something you can be physically identified by and it must be something that you accept with a declaration of your utter rejection of Christ and acceptance of the beast as God.

Yet where does the Bible speak of a 1,000 year trial? Revelations only writes that Christ will reign for a thousand years. It says the beast's time will be short. Many point to it being only seven years. Half way through the beast turns against the institution that gave him his power and she is burnt; like what Nero did to Rome.

Also, in early Catholicism there was a mark. Only people who had the mark could buy and sell. They had to accept that the Catholic Church was the only and true church of Christ and that the Pope's seat is the seat of Christ's government! Crazy stuff. The Catholics have made up so much that it is like a completely different religion to anything actually spoken of by Christ and The Apostles. Hmmm...

Yes, Revelations is mighty hard to understand, but if we keep trying and growing we begin to see more and more in this unearthly Book. There is not another like it. The only other book which had a similar effect on me was The Book of Enoch, a slow revelation of meaning. It is even written in Revelations that it will take Wisdom to comprehend even the mark of the beast.

Originally posted by MeesterB

Originally posted by rightwingbadass
reply to post by mileysubet

 

The god of christianity (my god) does not require you to mark yourself, as far as i can tell. In fact, deuteronomy in the bible forbids tattooing, or "marking yourself for the dead" (i don't know what the latter means, probably needs historical context). The only mark mentioned in revelations is a mark that god places on the forheads of his followers, which is only visible to other true christians so that they will know who to trust.

The mark of the beast, or the antichrist, is more of like signing yourself over to the devil's side in such a way that there is no turning back.

Just reading through replies and came on this one.
That God, at one point, required his people to mark themselves with circumcision. It's not really "required" for gentiles, and i don't know if jews still do it. Probably.

Yes the Jews still do it. It is expected in modern Israel that Jewish males be circumcised.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by PhantomLimb

 

Have any of you ever considered the absurdity of a bar code on someone's forehead? Do you really think people want to walk around with that on their face? Get real.

What if its an implantable chip, that can be inserted without any disfiguration? Would that make it any less absurd?

Ever heard the saying "they left their mark on life." Does this imply that a person tattooed the very fabric of time or does it imply that left an impression on people with their thoughts and/or actions? The Mark of the Beast is a BELIEF system. Like I said, the whole of Revelation is allegorical and metaphorical. You cannot know this and rationally take one passage and take it literally.

Unless, of course, you're preparing for the day when a gigantic ten-headed, part lion, part man, part bird beast comes out of the sea.

Originally posted by krazyiven
even though i am a believer i think i might end up taking it. We kind of already need a social security card for lots of things as we speak. How much more different would a little barcode on our body be? I dont really see a big difference.

You want the govt monitoring every monetary transaction you make, so they can tax you and keep you under surveillance as they wish, and punish you accordingly? You are crazy.

I believe, The mark of the beast, Is not a number.....

But a Cross!

Think about it!

reply to post by caladonea


Dear caladonea,

Specifically there is invisible ink that can be placed on a silk like fabric and is absorbed by your skin becoming a permanent mark. The ink is only seen under certain lights. As for the mark, a 3D barcode will do quite well.

ABC - Latest Body Art Trend: 'Invisible' Tattoos

It is not the article I was looking for' but, should make the point. As for 3D barcodes, a simple search will bring it up and they are used to access programs on the internet if you so choose. Any smart phone can read them even if you cannot see them with your eyes, search for augmented reality. Peace.

reply to post by Starchild23


Dear Starchild23,

Are you telling me God wants me to either starve or break the law? Interesting point of view. I hadn't looked at it that way before.

Nope. I didn't say God wanted you to do anything, I asked if you would take a mark if the government wanted you to. Many people on this site think that they want you to take a microchip, why is this such a hard question to understand?

reply to post by XLR8R


Dear XLR8R,

A fine answer and I wouldn't take either myself; but, isn't it interesting that others would. The question came about partly because of someone who I know. They met a young woman from a European country that had taken a chip willingly.

Originally posted by IrVulture
I believe, The mark of the beast, Is not a number.....

But a Cross!

Think about it!

You and I are in total agreement. I mentioned the same thing on page 2. It makes perfect sense.

It all depends but myself and a female friend in college both said we wanted to get a barcode tattoo years back through our own choice and how cool that could be so if it wasn't anything seemingly bad in any way then sure, I'd probably be open to it.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by IkNOwSTuff

 

I wouldnt accept it and would strongly urge everyone I know to reject it as well

huh? You would accept it and urge everyone you know to reject it??

Probably been noticed and remarked by someone else but did you not read his post properly?

No clue how you could misread that.

reply to post by curious7


Dear curious7,

Beyond the issue of Revelations and beyond the issue of tattoos, I am interested in peoples opinions on the compulsory nature of such things. I once met a woman who had been held in a German concentration camp, she was in her 70s and still had the tattoo that the Nazis had placed on her, a series of numbers. She hid the tattoo because it embarrassed her and would not talk about her experience, I only knew because her daughter told me. It wasn't the tattoo, she was upset that she had been branded like cattle.

When Social Security Numbers were first issued, people didn't want them, they didn't want to be required to have to have a national identification. At first they were told it would not be used for anything other than Social Security; but, eventually it was used for many things. We have slowly become accustomed to many things and as a society are loosing both our sense of privacy and personal rights. The battle ground right now is over biometric identification and it was lost before it began. Peace.

Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by Sk8ergrl

 

Mystery Babylon is Jerusalem. And all churches are watered down Catholicism. They use Catholic scriptures and believe in traditions like resurrection and trinity.

Mystery Babylon is the R.C.C., it bears all the signs and Rome sits on 7 hills. Vatican city is part of Rome and the Pope even has all the formal titles of Caesar. The R.C.C. also crucifies Christ every week and 500 million martyrs were killed and God determined all people before they were born to be his prophets. The R.C.C. cathedrals also are built ontop of graves, which is also pagan. The word "Pope" means "Father" and Jesus forbade any man to allow himself to be called Father. The Pope allows himself to be worshipped, when people kiss his ring that is an act of worshipand so is kneeling to him. When you add up the letters in Vicarvs Felii Dei it equals 666 in roman numerals. The monstrance is a huge sun worship symbol, the Eucharist is sorcery, turning Christ into a cookie and consuming him to gain his power. The drinking of his blood is a sin as consuming blood is a sin and eating flesh is cannibalism and that too is a sin. Pedophile priests that have sex with boys is sexual immorality and homosexuality which both are sins. Last but not least is the worship of the Queen of Heaven Astarte (a.k.a. Ishtar).

The Israelites do not believe in the trinity. Trinity is a R.C.C. concept and the R.C.C. version is Father, Mother and Child which is pagan family worship and the Jesuit seal has the letters I.H.S. which stands for Isis, Horus and Seb (Seth). There are not 3 God's there is only one God and he is Yahshua ha Mashiach, who is Immanu'el. They do believe in the resurrection day and Day of Atonement (Judgement Day) a.k.a. Yom Kippur.

I can hear the angels crying "come out from Babylon oh Israel, come out and be seperate".

Originally posted by TheOilTruth
I would allow it. No matter what happens, religions will always try to link present day events with their past to try to proove its validity. Either the "mark of the beast" is a lower back tattoo, a tounge piercing, a bluetooth on your ear, or a barcode on your wrist to pay for things, they would link them together.

havent you went to a church? they do link everything with the so called "devil" i laught a lot when i walk near a church... we must respect the believings of the people, but i dont respect that "they" "made" thoses believings just for messing with them...

in hipnosis that's called "breaking" the people, but in this case, with things "they" created

Originally posted by PhantomLimb
Have any of you ever considered the absurdity of a bar code on someone's forehead? Do you really think people want to walk around with that on their face? Get real. The Mark of the Beast is defined by your thoughts (forehead) and actions (hands). Much like when God puts his seal on the saints. That seal being on their foreheads and hands. People take the bible way too literally. Especially, Revelations which is almost entirely allegorical and metaphorical.

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do you think it was the thing the people call "god"? let's say that someone wanted to feels like a "bad guy" and tried to do that with people, making them to join that game, just for later tellings of "i told you"

Originally posted by Revolution9

Anti Christ means rejection and complete disrespect for Christ and people who belong to Christ. There are anti Christ posts here on ATS all the time of course. So know it you who hate Christ and Christianity who you are!!! Be warned!

who do you think that was the christ?

btw... belong?

Originally posted by MeesterB

Just reading through replies and came on this one.
That God, at one point, required his people to mark themselves with circumcision. It's not really "required" for gentiles, and i don't know if jews still do it. Probably.

if the called "god" for you were the creator, wouldnt he create people with his mark that proves that they are with him? you may say "because it will show the faith on him" but why then, just not making some mark, why are they mesing with penis? and why penis?

Originally posted by Magnificient
reply to post by AQuestion

 

I believe this fulfills that particular bible prophecy and I've seen nothing else that fulfills it. Everybody tries to project bible prophecies into the future while ignoring the possibility that it could be happening now, or already has happened. Nazis spoke of a 1000 year Reich, while the bible speaks of 1000 years tribulations. They could be the same.

do you think that is havent been created? did hitler really lost what he tried to do? (btw he was a puppet too)

Originally posted by Magnificient
Of course, I'm no prophet and I could be wrong.

there is a reason why bible is so open with profecies? why wouldnt they just made a certain date?

Originally posted by IrVulture
I believe, The mark of the beast, Is not a number.....

But a Cross!

Think about it!

the same thing... do you think that there is a beast?

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

The Israelites do not believe in the trinity

intelligent people dont believe in a "god" that is sitted away from any trouble, and less in a "god" that thinks that everyone are the same to "him"

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000 I can hear the angels crying "come out from Babylon oh Israel, come out and be seperate".

cant you hear the people crying "come out you american who are in our land and it dont belongs to you, we choice what we wanna do with ourself"? there are even vids about it... about the "angels"... hmm...

reply to post by Questioneer05

intelligent people dont believe in a "god" that is sitted away from any trouble, and less in a "god" that thinks that everyone are the same to "him"

No point in me even trying to explain to you how he is since you already seem to know everything . Youre a very concieted and vain person to think that you know anything about him when you don't know anything at all.

Good luck with that mindset.