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Originally posted by aaaiii
My question is about the source of this signal. Is it satellite-generated or ground-based? Are they using cell towers to propagate the signal? HAARP? Tech we don't know about yet?
Is there some specific characteristic of pulsed signals that makes it the method of choice? Who/what is controlling the transmission? DT writes that the signal varies and even stops, which obviously suggests that the transmission is monitored and/or that the source is also receiving. What is transmitting the response?
The fact that it is pulsed reminds me of "Contact". I thought the similarity strange. Can this be characterized as a series of burst transmissions?
I feel like Roy Neary sparring with Bob Balaban and François Truffaut.
Truth is this is a sentient living being
Originally posted by somerandomuser
Originally posted by MemoryShock
You didn't exactly answer my question but that is fine. I think we are coming at this from two different perspectives and I certainly can't quantify mine through type. So my main arguing point is that the 'silver bullet' is proof of the signal. The location/identification of the signal, reproduction of the contents of the signal for real world audibility and then letting everyone know what is going on.
Proof of the signal does not change much. Its highly directional, so it can hide. The A.I. can always go quiet when people are searching for it.
Why play hide and seek?
From a practical perspective, even if the signal was found, governments are not going to give up the capability. So, even if this occurred there is still no way to prove in court you were on the system. Further, there would be nothing to stop them from continuing.
Thus, the 'silver bullet' is practical shielding in a Faraday cage to make the process unproductive.
Originally posted by MemoryShock
Obviously, this is unrealistic. I don't personally believe that your logic on the uber mega one two punch of a Faraday Cage and perceived resource efficiency will stop a targeting. The entire reasoning seems naive and we are going to have to agree to disagree on this. The cage, as I have stated, could be an interesting experiment but it isn't an end all be all.
There are targets to be met, bills to be paid and finite capacity. Screw with any of these elements and you'll be dropped like a stone.
Originally posted by MemoryShock
Here is my problem with the artificial intelligence idea. I think that currently, there may be research and applications geared towards the creation of such a system but the danger in assuming that there is only a computer doing this completely ignores motivation. It assumes that this truly is random and when this technology becomes more known it will necessarily require investigation into the human factor. People who claim that they are targeted don't just claim voices and psychological issues, there is a whole aspect to being targeted in some cases that requires field personnel. Further, if this is an ongoing development then it is necessary for people to be monitoring...and even participating...in order to quantify the results and determine the viability of the applications.
This is all geared towards having a person chase their own tail, whilst ignoring the obvious. The purpose of the system has nothing to do with who the targets are, what they do, etc. It has one function, to perfect the interface between a human and a computer via radio. Everything else is just tests of what the existing interface can do.
Originally posted by MemoryShock
Skynet is not self aware and does not have unlimited information resources. There are people involved and the fact that they set this system up means there are other things that they are doing. I hate to drop the personal experience card again but I don't think people are at the least sometimes producing the voices I hear...I know it as much as a subjective experience can know something. So probably part of the frustration I am incurring here with somer is because it sounds like I am being told to accept conclusions when they are incomplete, too restrictive or just aren't agreeable...
Skynet is a British military communication satellite network, completely unrelated to this technology. Mr Computer would be pissed.
Mr Computer is a strong A.I., it is just like human except with Phds in everything. If you are a genuine target, the voice you hear is not audio, its a series of neurons firing in sequence which is interpreted as audio. The "impression" you get of its source, is yet another signal telling you this is what it is. So, not only does it make you hear things, it tries to actively confuse you as to what you hearing. Remember, who is determining it is human? You are and with no evidence I might add. That gut instinct is just another form of speech by the A.I. that is not in English, but in the language that precedes English in the brain. You can test this for yourself, think of a sentence, but don't say it in English in your head.
What do you notice?
You have just completed a sentence without the use of language. The A.I. speaks this language too.
Originally posted by Xoanon
Further to this, Mr Computer is no idiot either. He is quite capable of following advanced topics, from physics, to computing theory he can spot the smallest of flaws in reasoning or expose potential technical issues that could prove fatal to a particular design. It knows bull@!$%# when it hears it and will let you know in no uncertain terms.