Chemtrails spraying is making us sick

reply to post by COconspiracyguy


I am please to see you now realise that there is no evidence for chemtrails.

but there is n real need to prove that jet engine exhaust is pollution - there's no actual argument about that.

Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by spinkyboo

 

I will watch that video (likely and waste an hour of my time) but....it is paused right now at the 3:30 point, and already the presenter (Sofia Smallstorm) is showing PowerPoint photos of perfectly ordinary clouds, and calling them "unnatural" !!

She is introduced as an "expert on chemtrails" (which itself is ridiculously funny), but she obviously knows nothing about meteorology and clouds, if she cannot understand what she is seeing in the photos of the clouds.

Honest, I think she might be a bit loopy.....

edit on Sun 29 January 2012 by ProudBird because: (no reason given)

Ha. I don't find anything at all loopy about her. : )
I think it is important to watch through the synthetic biology information, filaments etc.
There has of course been a lot of info on this - so you have likely seen most of it.

Certainly, I don't expect you to be swayed, quite the contrary.
I expect you to deny and I would expect others to do the same.
I suspect none of us know half of what we think we do.
I personally believe there is some useful information here that people
may want to research further.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by COconspiracyguy

 

The same thing you are seeing in cirrus clouds. Ice crystals.
In clouds at lower altitudes you are seeing water droplets. In fog (except ice fog) you are seeing water droplets. In steam you are seeing water droplets.

How come Ice crystals (snow), water droplets (rain) show up on Doppler radar but contrails do not?

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by COconspiracyguy

 

I am please to see you now realise that there is no evidence for chemtrails.

but there is n real need to prove that jet engine exhaust is pollution - there's no actual argument about that.

You're intent is to slime around the fact that you just said that the water vapor in contrails is invisible. So, once again, I ask you, what is the visible part of a contrail?

reply to post by Gmoneycricket

How come Ice crystals (snow), water droplets (rain) show up on Doppler radar but contrails do not?

Particles show up on radar if they are big enough - generally they have to be about 1/10th the size of the wavelength or more. IIRC most weather radars are centimetric - they have wavelengths in the order of 5cm, which means they can pick up particles down to about 5mm.

The water particles in clouds - whether ice or liquid - are much smaller than this size, so do not show up on radar.

The wiki article mentions wavelengths and particle size.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by COconspiracyguy

 

The same thing you are seeing in cirrus clouds. Ice crystals.
In clouds at lower altitudes you are seeing water droplets. In fog (except ice fog) you are seeing water droplets. In steam you are seeing water droplets.

Just curious. Why did you choose the name Phage?

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If anyone is on Facebook, share the video.
Get the conversation started. Don't be afraid of the CIA, or whomever. Screw them.

reply to post by COconspiracyguy

From the Greek.
I devour ignorance. I chew it up. I replace it with knowledge.

Originally posted by COconspiracyguy

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by COconspiracyguy

 

I am please to see you now realise that there is no evidence for chemtrails.

but there is n real need to prove that jet engine exhaust is pollution - there's no actual argument about that.

You're intent is to slime around the fact that you just said that the water vapor in contrails is invisible.

Water vapour is an invisible gas - nothing to slime around here except your total lack of knowledge of the basic characteristics of the substances you are talking about!!

So, once again, I ask you, what is the visible part of a contrail?

Water ice.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by COconspiracyguy

 

From the Greek.
I devour ignorance.

You are what you eat.

Originally posted by COconspiracyguy

Originally posted by OccamAssassin

The issue at hand isn't the pollution factor of aircraft.

I'm laying the foundation for the fact that aircraft are polluting the atmosphere,
and the so called "scientists" and "experts" are completely lying about contrails
being completely harmless.

Once we can get past this point, I will show you that not only is it "normal" pollution
coming out of the aft end of these aircraft, but it is enhanced with chemicals.

Actually, this is different from the stance you seemed to take on the first page of this thread.

If we can get Ron Paul into the Presidency here in the States, I know he will expose this nefarious operation.

No doubt you've heard of the T&C. It might be a good time to go back and revise it!

The OP is specifically about chemtrails.

This thread is not about known pollution emitted from jet engines.

You should apologise to Proudbird & Aloysius for treating them like morons when in fact they were civilly explaining the holes in the chemtrail theory.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

Oh, Italian ice.
Thanks Gaul.
Water Ice

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by COconspiracyguy

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by COconspiracyguy

 

I am please to see you now realise that there is no evidence for chemtrails.

but there is n real need to prove that jet engine exhaust is pollution - there's no actual argument about that.

You're intent is to slime around the fact that you just said that the water vapor in contrails is invisible.

Water vapour is an invisible gas - nothing to slime around here except your total lack of knowledge of the basic characteristics of the substances you are talking about!!

So, once again, I ask you, what is the visible part of a contrail?

Water ice.

You do realize that "water ice" will not form without some form of condensation nuclei, right? Just like clouds will not form without dust.

reply to post by COconspiracyguy

Ah. You got in before my edit.
But I don't hold with wives tales. I'm not what I eat.

You do realize that "water ice" will not form without some form of condensation nuclei, right? Just like clouds will not form without dust.

reply to post by COconspiracyguy


How do cirrus clouds form? Do you think that the atmosphere is free of ambient aerosols?

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by Gmoneycricket

 

How come Ice crystals (snow), water droplets (rain) show up on Doppler radar but contrails do not?

Particles show up on radar if they are big enough - generally they have to be about 1/10th the size of the wavelength or more. IIRC most weather radars are centimetric - they have wavelengths in the order of 5cm, which means they can pick up particles down to about 5mm.

The water particles in clouds - whether ice or liquid - are much smaller than this size, so do not show up on radar.

The wiki article mentions wavelengths and particle size.

edit on 29-1-2012 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)

So from your picture you have showed me,1ton JP equals 3.24 tons of water if I remember right.

Mother nature without man made cirrus clouds can evaporate how many tons of water to create a thunder storms.
Do you have calculations of man made cirrus clouds blocking natures evaporation rate (sun), and its effects in regard to droughts?

reply to post by spinkyboo

I think it is important to watch through the synthetic biology information, filaments etc.
There has of course been a lot of info on this - so you have likely seen most of it.

Well then, in the video of Sofia Smallwood and her PowerPoint presentation, care to locate the time reference for the above?

Because, as I clearly indicated, the first 6 minutes showed her lack of knowledge, and therefore impugned her very credibility from the outset.

Is there any shred of proof or evidence in the rest, specifically the parts you mentioned, about synthetic biology?

Also, in that same vein, is there any sort of proof of "spraying" of this "synthetic biology? Or is it just an hour's worth of more unwarranted and unsubstantiated claims?

And keeping in mind this particular thread's topic --- does anything in the video go to that? This "synthetic biology" making anyone "sick"?

Originally posted by Phage

You do realize that "water ice" will not form without some form of condensation nuclei, right? Just like clouds will not form without dust.

reply to post by COconspiracyguy

 

How do cirrus clouds form? Do you think that the atmosphere is free of ambient aerosols?

edit on 1/29/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Do you really want me to show you my 1991 edition of aviation fundamentals book that mentions nothing about roll clouds, hole clouds, and all the other names invented in the last ten years to explain the odd new forms of clouds being reported?

I think chemtrails are protecting the Earth from the Solar Radiation, which I understand in increasing and causing global warming. We recently had an Solar X flare so its only reasonable they would be trying to protect the Earth at this time. I think the Hopi said that before the end the earth would be covered by a web.

reply to post by Gmoneycricket

That's an interesting point. One which is a subject of interest. Here's a study from back in 1970 concerning the effects of persistent contrails on climate. The research is ongoing but the conclusions are mixed.

The spreading out of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exist from 25,000 to 40,000ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.

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