The Conspiracy Against Lovers: The Real Truth They Don't Want You To Know

reply to post by Eidolon23


I don't know, Eidolon,

One of the things that I think that men parlay in to an 'economy of women' has to do with this thing where they get all hung up around being 'the first', or, funnily enough, prothoplastus, as another very funny member put it.

I think certain types of men try to develop a scale of worth based upon how much 'handling' the 'merchandise' has seen. I know it is not all of them but I have encountered it before. Do women think like this?

X.

reply to post by Xoanon


Are you referring to promiscuity lowering one's market value as a mate? I think that might be something the sexes share in common, yeah.

I was on a date with a dude, and it was going really well. And he asked me what my "number" was. It's modest, I told him with no qualms. Asked, "What about you?"

"Oh, I lost count in the upper-thirties..."

I choke on my curry.

"... when I was eighteen."

You have to respect that kind of honesty, but it did stagger me some.

Originally posted by PurpleSun
Yet another myth gone crazy and then the myth becomes the truth.

Myths are the crazy truths about humanity. Humanity itself is a bit crazy. How could we not be? Our brains are quite literally a composite of many brains.

Myths are depictions of the interactions between those bits and pieces, and then how those bits and pieces interact with the rest of the human dynamic.

No matter how studious, logical and academic one makes it....there it still is. A neuroscientist studying love still stands before a real audience of hundreds and a virtual audience of millions, and for all her science a poem about love brings her almost to her knees.

Do the neurochemicals make the woman, or did the woman make the neurochemicals? Could be either. In utilizing the poem, she proves in front of an audience that the woman can make the neurochemical reaction in absence of any actual input of the lover - real or imagined.

Originally posted by Xoanon
reply to post by Eidolon23

 

I don't know, Eidolon,

One of the things that I think that men parlay in to an 'economy of women' has to do with this thing where they get all hung up around being 'the first', or, funnily enough, prothoplastus, as another very funny member put it.

I think certain types of men try to develop a scale of worth based upon how much 'handling' the 'merchandise' has seen. I know it is not all of them but I have encountered it before. Do women think like this?

X.

I think this is one of those subjects where women bat in every direction.

reply to post by Eidolon23

Are you referring to promiscuity lowering one's market value as a mate? I think that might be something the sexes share in common, yeah.

Well, I guess what interests me about it is that there seems to be both biological and emotional imperatives that drive a person to select a mate and a little economy develops around both. It seems to me that the promiscuity thing draws more on the emotional economy.

he said lamely,

X.

reply to post by Eidolon23


What the hell who let you clowns back in.

The conspiracy against love is silly I mean sure there are a plenty a thing set against it, but still it is silly. I however on any given day would be for or against it, and in the end I think I will flip a coin to settle the whole thing. Or better yet avoid it till it all disappears back into the aether.

I didn't even know valentines day is coming up, I could of sworn that happened not that long ago last year, what do they do it every year or something? I must be getting old because I can say that I seen this very thread before exactly, why is everything so same letting. Deja vu! deja boo! deja who?

I don't know man, dude, girl, whatever, I don't really believe in love I think its a conspiracy by ****** to keep me stuck in this existence, or possibly some sort of lure. Oh yes definitely a lure, it does seem like a fishing game. Or possibly it was invented by the grays, or the ones who created the grays, or possibly even the ones who the grays invented.

No doubt there is a psyche involved and chemicals even the neurotic kind "whatever that is" and as such I think I know were the OFF button is. The only problem is that it's right next to the ON button. And I have never been one to see a button so clearly not a button yet a button clearly, and not push it. Which once again will make things confusing, but that is the law. The law of confusion, and like all laws eventually it will be broken.

Anyways I am sure love exits in its capacity but without and outside it's capacity it does not exit. Therefore it is not a question, so it does not need to be answered.

Are you talking romance or love? I dont think most people are able to experience true love because most are insecure and selfish. An unrequited love is pure love. Limerence is is something that most will never feel. Most of the time when people love it has conditions. Real love has no conditions and no boundaries. It does not even have to be returned.

Romance is something you can use to make a girl feel nice.

I see neither as a conspiracy to get us to have children. Marriage and monogamy on the other hand.....

I think most people are too shallow to feel real,pure love.

Originally posted by Eidolon23
Above all, we are told that men want sex, and women want love.

I'm exceptionally tired of hearing this line. Not only is it garbage, as a generalisation, but it is degrading to both genders. No, not all women are prudes with cobwebs between their legs; and not all men are slavering animals who never think about anything else.

OP, it seems that your single biggest problem here has been a failure to engage in basic critical thinking. If you are going to insist on thinking in stereotypes (and negative ones, at that) then yes, you're likely to experience issues in virtually every area of life; romance included.

reply to post by petrus4


Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up there, buckaroo!

I believe you may have taken the opposite of the point I intended to make.

I too, am tired of the story. I was asking people to question why we are told that story, and why it is false.

My critical thinking skills are just fine, but you may wish to brush up on your reading comprehension.

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


Hey, Galad. Always was a girl, and yet you liked me anyway. Good to see you.

Yeah, did you catch that stuff about Phanes-Eros, and the Erotic urge coming into being at the same time as the Void and the Fundament?

Good luck with that button.

Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
reply to post by Eidolon23

 

What the hell who let you clowns back in.

I love you too galad.

Would you like some help with your buttons?

Now on a more serious note:

Why do you think that love is a trap to keep you in this existence, galadofwarthethird?

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by Eidolon23
Above all, we are told that men want sex, and women want love.

I'm exceptionally tired of hearing this line. Not only is it garbage, as a generalisation, but it is degrading to both genders. No, not all women are prudes with cobwebs between their legs; and not all men are slavering animals who never think about anything else.

I think that this is the point we are all agreeing on actually.

The question remains....why? Why do people think that men are nothing but ravenous sexual marauders and women are prudes. Or the opposite, men are incapable of connection and women are sluts?

There must be a purpose behind these lies we believe and tell ourselves.

I've yet to meet a man who doesn't just want a big hug.

Originally posted by Xoanon
reply to post by Eidolon23

 

Are you referring to promiscuity lowering one's market value as a mate? I think that might be something the sexes share in common, yeah.

Well, I guess what interests me about it is that there seems to be both biological and emotional imperatives that drive a person to select a mate and a little economy develops around both. It seems to me that the promiscuity thing draws more on the emotional economy.

he said lamely,

X.

Now this is kind of big. We view our relationships through the lens of a market mentality: I get x, I'll give you y. The relationship then becomes open to the introduction of other trade dynamics: you make me angry, I cut off your supply of y to punish you.

It happens all the time.

I imagine it doesn't help matters at all that the things we are told to want from eachother do not line up with what we actually want or need.

reply to post by Eidolon23

Now this is kind of big. We view our relationships through the lens of a market mentality: I get x, I'll give you y. The relationship then becomes open to the introduction of other trade dynamics: you make me angry, I cut off your supply of y to punish you.

Yeah, I really hate that part.

It is like we need to be our own Jesus and kick over all the tables that the merchants are trading on in The Temple.

I am wondering if the dynamic that we are discussing here was precisely what the Troubadours were trying to help snuff. Or they seemed to at least be trying to get everyone on a simpler more wholesome economy.

X.

reply to post by Eidolon23


Perhaps the conspiracy is not so much against lovers as love itself? The emphasis on romantic love, how it is marketed as the ideal, Valentine's day hijacked for profit, romantic love, lust, desire, all being pornographically subverted is a distraction from and perversion of love.

Real love is heroic! Plato's fraternity, the 1%'ers, the full time carer. But bigging these up might encourage people to be good to one another and not only is there little profit in that but people who's brain chemicals are not inducing irrational desires for material or corporeal expressions of love, may have increased capacity for independent thought.

And whom might it profit to keep men and women forever on opposite sides of the room?

Whom might it profit? Everybody who wants to make one. Sex sells and it does so on a very large scale. This is just my opinion, but this "conspiracy" that people talk about on how some people don't want others to fall in love is more of a conspiracy to make make money than it is a conspiracy to keep people apart. The priority is to make money, and anything that happens as a result of that is of no consequence to the people making the money. They don't care how it affects you personally, they just care how their actions affect their bottom line.

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This song hits THAT nail on the head and the people who make the money off people like that know exactly what they're doing; Using other peoples' emotions to turn a profit. They advertise and market to the demographics that have proven themselves to be big spenders for the one's they "love".

You want to find true love? Stop spending your money and start spending your emotions on the one you want to impress. That's going to get to a woman on a deeper level than a diamond ring. People say that women, above all else, want love. I say put that theory to the test. Stop buying her things and start paying attention to HER. Talk to her. Listen to her. You say it's all about her? Prove it. Take your pride and and put it on the shelf when you're with her. Stop thinking about how other people are going to view your actions. People are going to put their nose into things that don't concern them anyway, so don't concern yourself them. They weren't invited to this party in the first place, so kick their a** out. They don't matter for the moment because they're not the ones you're trying to get through to. If you can't do that, then you don't REALLY want love. You're paying the whole thing lip service to try to make yourself look good.

And the WOMEN who want men to spend, spend, spend............you can have "em. I'm not spending my hard earned money on sh*t like them. Been there done that. At the end of the day they put out because they feel they've been bought out. Domesticated whores basically. The men and women who have relationships like that are shallow at best. Don't get me wrong, once you have a relationship established, then by all means, show her how much you love her by showering her with as many gifts as your budget allows. Women love that. But doing something like like is no way to start a relationship. Not in my book at least.

Some people are hopeless romantics and no amount of marketing and advertising or peer pressure is going to change that. They don't care much about their pride because it's only gotten them as far as they are now. Cold and alone. They may not seem the type with their rough looks and borderline gutter language, but don't let that fool you. Those things can change anyway. They may go about their day getting things done, socializing and joking around, but don't let that fool you. Those things need to happen to keep them out of that "blues rut".They may have led a life in the past that had been filled with hate, bitterness and loss. Those people, more than others, will know the true value of love because they know the true value of the other side. Where the sky won't snow and the sun don't shine, and they'll fight tooth and nail to get it.

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They don't care much about what other people want from them because they don't have much else to give except the real thing at this point, and they know that most people aren't real anyway. Most people fall for all the crap trying to "explain" in detail what love really is.

They don't wanna hear it, they've heard enough. They wanna see it.

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I'll be offline for about a week. Things to score, guns to pack....

Take it easy, take it light, and take it at your discretion.

Love ya. See you on the other side.

reply to post by teapot


Boom. Nailed it.

We are entirely in accord, sir. (Or madam.)

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple


Talk to her. Listen to her.

I think this right here is the best solution we could possibly throw down.

We have to work on reorienting our communication so that it's focused on understanding rather than manipulating one another.

Thanks.

Originally posted by teapot
bigging these up might encourage people to be good to one another and not only is there little profit in that but people who's brain chemicals are not inducing irrational desires for material or corporeal expressions of love, may have increased capacity for independent thought.

God forbid, right?

Star for you friend, you said all that very well.