No porn for SA tv channels.

There will be no pornography on pay television in South Africa, the Independent Communications Authority of SA (Icasa) ruled on Friday. The decision followed a lengthy process of public consultation after pay television network TopTV's application to launch three porn channels.

Ok, so i don't really care if it is broadcast or not, however, there are many who do. Freedom of speech, is what comes to mind for me, and if they want to broadcast porn, then why not. Well, apparently, there is a reason :

Icasa spokesman Jubie Matlou said it was decided that women's right to dignity outweighed TopTV's right to freedom of expression, and the rights of viewers to receive pornography on television

Ok, wow. Now this is something strange. Woman's right to dignity outweighed, the right to freedom of expression?

Surely the woman, who participate in these type of films or movies, know what they are getting into? For me that reason, just seems strange and almost contradictory.

“The FPI calls on government to urgently amend legislation to prohibit the broadcast of pornographic
programmes on South African television.”- Sapa

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Again, like i said, i don't really care if they show it or not, because i don't watch it. This just feels like if they can control this, they can basically control anything that we wear or see, and what is the point then of freedom of expression?

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This was all so ridiculous (considering that free porn is on the Web, and sex shops trade legally).

I had a feeling that it was setting up a strawman that was meant to fall for now, mainly to save the sex industry.

Oh well, back to watching TBN, as they con people out of money day and night, and abuse female stereotypes.
What, religion and gender equality?
What a joke.

Ultimately I think such channels will become legal or quasi-legal.

What is really concerning is what is happening to freedom of speech in SA, and this does seem like a further blow.

A slightly older clip, but interesting information on Top TV.
They seem to speak with a forked tongue often.
Not that this is shocking to us ... nevertheless, interesting.

It's OK for another culture to reject something we deem acceptable. Who are we to foist our morality (or lack thereof, in their eyes) upon them? If their culture chooses not to participate in the sex industry in that way I honestly could care less. It's their country, not ours.

We are so quick to defend pornography, to justify the participation of the actors. Truth is not many of the stories are of empowered women using their ahem...tools to make a buck. For every one of those there are countless stories of young, desperate women who sink into depression and drugs because of this 'liberating' industry.

Deny ignorance and acknowledge that there is a dark side to this beast.

don't women like sex too??

or is that dirty.

reply to post by blamethegreys

Well cultures in SA are very mixed, so while an argument regarding SA as a monolithic "culture" may be well intentioned, this view is in reality over-simplistic.

Besides, the main agitators against the adult right to view purchased porn were from a US inspired "Family Institute".

They are modeled on, and connected to American Fundamentalist Christians.

We have very vocal groups on this issue, but they may not represent a silent majority.
I think in this case some feminists joined with our religious right.

But this may not remain the case.

It is not really about the porn, but rather about the freedom of speech that is taking a knock.

If the word porn is to be replaced with lets say news, it would be the same, the fact that freedom of speech is being hampered.

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to be honest porn is just another drug to enslav us, there is so much porn on the internet there is no need to have it on tv, you wouldnd keep your playboy books on your book shelves within reach of your children, I have no problem with porn I visit some porn sites like 99.9999999% of the men on ATS, there is no need to have porn channels on tv, there is no need to have graphich sex scenes of some tv shows, its a bit embarresing if your watching a tv show with your daughter ( even though she is 22 and mature ) and there is a graphic sex scene in it its not nesercery, these scenes are just there to take your mind off the poor storyline and crappy script writing, porn has nothing to do with freedom of speech, artistic eapression or libereating women, its about MONEY nothing else any one else who says differnt lying to themselves and everyone ese, seriously porn is ok but its not important, remember guys someday that coud be your daughter in a porn movie..... how much would you like it then

The most vociferous organized "popular voice" came from followers of Pastor Errol Naidoo of the Family Policy Institute. They represent people from a vast network of churches, ministries and evangelists in SA.
However, many of their followers may also practice African spirituality - something that is referred to generally as "witchcraft"- but they largely ignore this.

So I guess this is our official culture now?

www.joymag.co.za...
www.joymag.co.za...

So moral - one could swear we were the holiest people on earth.
Clearly that's how they must act to get some funds, which clashes with our human rights culture, but it is fair to say that mega-churches are now a part of the "shadow government".

Zuma reportedly said on the weekend that to vote for the ANC was to choose heaven, while a vote for the opposition amounted to choosing "hell".

mg.co.za...

And so I see people corrupted, without any moral benefit, or any real voice.
Lesbian women are raped in "corrective rapes" in epidemic proportions; women are harassed for wearing pants and short dresses (from cultures that still went virtually naked in the rural areas a decade or so back).
There is a shadow reality coupled with a fake morality.

This is a judgement in a context of vice without boundaries.

reply to post by Lucifersjester

On the other hand, I can remember SA pre-1994, and porn was banned.

The cops could raid your house for porn.

Yet porn was freely available - although it was a copy of a copy, with hippie women and yucky, greasy hair.

Where does restriction stop?
Would you like to see your kid with a criminal record for porn possession?

Most of these religious groups have already said they want an Internet filter to stop all porn in SA. That's probably not feasible, but that's what these people demand.

Minister says banning of Internet porn must be fast-tracked:

Deputy Home Affairs Minister Malusi Gigaba intends to fast-track the passage of a yet-to-be drafted law that will compel internet service providers (ISP) to filter content provided to users to ensure it does not contain any pornography. The Film and Publication Board (FPB) held a symposium this week to look at ways of protecting children from porn. “Despite recent amendments of the law and other efforts to stop the devastating effect on children of their access to pornography, it’s not enough,” FPB legal affairs manager Dumisani Rorwana said in a statement on Thursday. “The law as it stands is not working, so we’ve no choice but to take it to the next level.” Technology had advanced to a point where ISPs would be able to filter out around 95 percent of the content in a “highly cost-effective way”, he said. Similar programmes to safeguard children from pornography were currently in place in China, Singapore and the United Arab Emirates.

mybroadband.co.za...

China, the United Arab Emerites and Singapore eh?

Where have all the rhinos gone?
Where will all the misled Christians go when they finally gave us socialist fascism?

I bet you it won't be to any of those "anti-porn" countries.
No sir!

Another reference from IOL: www.iol.co.za...

Does south Africa have freedom of speech? I know very little about the country besides their the most modern country in Africa and had some race wars awhile back.

Well I hope they get it sorted out though porn is all going to the Internet. In a few years times T.V won't even be relevant.

reply to post by Mcupobob

Well. we have a great constitution (it was even often called the most advanced and liberal in the world), and we should have total freedom of speech outside direct hate speech.

Yet, we've actually witnessed significant double-standards regarding free speech, and hate speech.

There was never a race war in SA, although there were sporadic ethnic clashes (mainly between African tribes and parties).

There is a concern that a race war may come in future, but ultimately there are 4 million whites and 50 million blacks.
A proportion of those blacks are immigrants and refugees from other African countries.

One concern is that the ruling ANC were Marxist terrorists (who performed a big publicity stunt amongst Western liberals centered on Mandela), and that they are clamping down slowly but surely on free speech.
Their support for the Zimbabwean dictator Robert Mugabe is short of gushing.
We already have the dreaded info bill in the pipeline.

There are already threads on some of those issues on ATS, but for me a conflation of religion, politics and censorship is not a good sign.

PS. Right2Know protest in Cape Town against the ANC "Secrecy Bill" (October 2011), including dissent from some of their own stalwarts: