Must read the very secret Project Cloverleaf — The Science Behind it

Wow, awesome information here for anyone that is interested in the truth. Please dont take any notice of the posts that try to deflect or discredit this topic as they are just trying to stop people from finding out the real truth behind the chemtrails in our skys.

This link sincedutch.wordpress.com... 42012-project-cloverleaf-chemtrails-and-their-purpose/ explains alot.

here is some of the info in the link that supports electromagnetic waves:

It involves the combination of chemtrails for creating an atmosphere that will support electromagnetic waves, ground-based, electromagnetic field oscillators called gyrotrons, and ionospheric heaters.

Also this is important and the most important section I think is:

These energies can be used as untraceable weapons for nuclear size explosions or for defense. These crossed-energies can be used to cause a person’s physical electrical system to fail or with a lower frequency, administer a kind of remote electro-shock. Visualize touching a positive and negative electric cable to each other on top of your head. Scalar energies can be utilized in hand-held military guns and on tanks. They can dud-out electronics or cause large, electrical blackouts. Scalar energies are practically impossible to shield against. You need lead, ceramics, and a deep underground facility to not be affected by these weapons. Or, you need to be up and above the field of battle.

To read all of this very important information please follow the source link
sincedutch.wordpress.com... 42012-project-cloverleaf-chemtrails-and-their-purpose/

reply to post by killemall


Thanks for posting this. The information sounds quite fascinating and I'll have to take the time later to read it all and digest it. I thoroughly believe that scalar weapons and electromagnitism can be used in conjunction with each other to affect life forms.

Here's an interesting article I thought would add to your information:
"The Brave New World of Scalar Electromagnetics"
by Bill Morgan
www.prahlad.org...

"By 1957-8 the Soviets had progressed to the point of a giant scalar EM accident in the Urals which exploded nearby atomic wastes, devastating the area. They had also progressed to development of great new superweapons using their new energetics - weapons to which Khrushchev referred in 1960 when he informed the Soviet Presidium of a new, fantastic weapon in development, a weapon so powerful that it could wipe out all life on earth if unrestrainedly employed.'" Tom Bearden

I wouldn't doubt after so many years that they can link this type of technology with whatever it is that they're spraying in the skies.

reply to post by Afterthought


Thanks for your input also, I tried earlier but was trashed so hope this stays up here for all to read.

love seeing the information getting out to the people especially when the truth is so in our faces. Sometimes the best way to hide something is in plain sight. E.g Chemtrails.

here is some of the info in the link that supports electromagnetic waves

The atmosphere "supports" electromagnetic waves just fine without any help from "chemtrails". What do you think light is? What do you think radio is?

Funny article though. "GWEN pulse radars". GWEN is not (was not) a radar system, pulse or otherwise. A fine bit of nonsense from good old Dutchsinse. Still at it.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

A comment I wrote before I was trashed,

When I was a boy in the late 70's and early 80's I would lie on our trampoline and watch the clouds almost daily. I did see airliner planes fly over and leave behind them vapour trails that would stay for a few minutes only.


NEVER did I see trails that would last for hours and hours and spread out to blanket the sky for the rest of the day.
Some might say it's just weather but weather does not come out of a planes.

Today these chemtrails in our skies are normal to the children as they know no better.
Even adults are just starting to take notice of the chemtrails coming from planes and covering our skies over great distances.

reply to post by killemall

Maybe some adults are just starting to take notice but than doesn't mean it's anything new, it just means that they didn't notice them before. Persistent contrails have been around for a long time. For a long time it has been known what they are.

From 1919:

The second German sighting occurred on May 9, 1919, when a pilot flying over Berlin at about 26,000 feet noticed the generation of a cloud stream that extended for about forty miles behind his plane. This stream eventually spread out to form a cloud layer that was about 3,000 feet thick. The pilot saw a similar phenomenon two days later.

www.accessmylibrary.com...

1944:

So an airplane at great heights leaves behind it, stretching for endless miles, a visible "wake" composed of ice particles so tiny that they do not fall as snow but remain suspended in the air.

Source

From 1968:

Daily, for example, hundreds of jet planes crisscross the nation or great parts of it, often leaving fluffy contrails of water vapor, manmade clouds, as a signature of their passage.

Some contrails soon dissapate. Others turn into or are soon followed by high cirruse clouds that can and do influence the earth's heat balance with the sun.

news.google.com...,2068835&dq=contrails+cirrus&hl=en

From 1970:

The spreading out of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exist from 25,000 to 40,000ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.

journals.ametsoc.org...

A 43-year-old novice sailor said today that he followed jet contrails over the Atlantic to help him navigate after his sextant was smashed six days out of Pymouth, England.

Source He didn't follow jets, he followed contrails. You can't follow a short contrail.

1972:

Then there is the matter of cloudiness. The familiar contrails often left by high-flying planes might persist for a long time under some conditions.

Source


Then there's this 1965 Outer Limits episode (at about 0:30).


Twilight Zone from 1985. (at 8:56 and 13:13).

6:41 AM 1/27/2012

reply to post by Phage

So an airplane at great heights leaves behind it, stretching for endless miles, a visible "wake" composed of ice particles so tiny that they do not fall as snow but remain suspended in the air.

I don't want to derail this thread with a discussion of the science of contrails, but seeing as these icy particles float together and expand to form "clouds" in the cooler temperatures. They still float towards to earth and pass into warmer air. I've seen these "clouds" get quite low where the air is obviously warmer than 32 degrees. So, I would think that they would've turned to water and evaporated -- unless they are composed of a denser material than water such as a chemical and/or lightweight metal.

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reply to post by Afterthought

I don't know how you determined what the altitude was or what the temperature at that "quite low" altitude was but there seems to be a disconnect between what you are talking about and what the OP is saying.

NEVER did I see trails that would last for hours and hours and spread out to blanket the sky for the rest of the day.

If they are falling out of the sky, how can they cover the sky for the rest of the day? If they are falling out of the sky they wouldn't seem to be very effective in aiding "scalar" weapons, would they?

In any case, the spreading, persistent contrails have been observed for a very long time before "chemtrails" came on the scene.

Originally posted by killemall
reply to post by Phage

 

Please don't clutter a good thread with your lies to side track and cove up the real truth of nasty activities in our skies.

Please point out the lies.
I have already pointed out one of many in the idiotic article you quote in your OP.

reply to post by killemall


What steps have you taken to verify this information?

You of course aren't just blindly believing it are you? I mean if this was a MSM article, you'd be verifying facts and information,right?

You can't trust the word of a single source, can you, that would be very...what's the word? very sheeple like...and you're not a sheep are you! You're awake and aware and trust no one.

So, since you've endorsed this article, can you share with us your investigation process to show that the information is true and correct.

Thanks mate, appreciate the effort.

reply to post by Phage


You claim chemtrails are contrails do you not. This is clearly a lie.
Chemtrails are chemtrails and they blanket the sky for hours and hours.

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reply to post by Chadwickus


You got it mate, plenty of sources to be discovered, do your own research; I'm not holding your hand.

I can prove one thing right now for you and that is you already know we have a chemtrail programme in almost every county on the planet or you would not be defending the contrail BS, look up in the day time and watch the planes spray.

reply to post by Phage


You're basically a spammer.

How many times have you pasted those stupid stories and the two video clips that prove nothing.

You know..... contrail generators have been around almost as long as flight. So, trying to prove something from the past is kind of a waste of time.

We are in the present. Lets focus on what's happening today..... I'm not saying history isn't important ...it is ....but what your presenting is full of holes.

reply to post by Chadwickus

What steps have you taken to verify this information? You of course aren't just blindly believing it are you? I mean if this was a MSM article, you'd be verifying facts and information,right?

He's obviously taken more steps than you since he's "aware" enough to know not every trail in the sky is water vapor.

I didn't gather that he blindly believed in anything. He linked an article that has a lot of theory and speculation. There is nothing wrong with that. Especially when it's backed up by logical findings and conclusions.

It's called reading with an open mind. Since when does knowing less make you smarter?

From most of your posts Chad ......you blindly believe in nothing ..... and embrace naivety.

reply to post by killemall


Please, I insist that you share the verifying sources to this article, otherwise its just ramblings of god knows who, for all you know it could be Glenn Beck writing it, and we know he likes to embellish on things...

You wouldn't just blindly believe something without researching it, would you?

I thought only asleep sheep do that?

reply to post by dplum517


Do you endorse this article as well?

What steps have you taken to verify its authenticity and accuracy?

Can you explain it to me in a way someone as stupid and close minded as I am would understand, because it comes across as if the author tried to put in as many technical terms and fancy words as possible in an attempt to sound intelligent.

Can you summarize please?

In any case, the spreading, persistent contrails have been observed for a very long time before "chemtrails" came on the scene.

That is just LAUGHABLE. That's what the chemtrail debunkers keep saying...with their crystal clear photos...edited in photoshop; to make it look like "a very long time".

These days, PROOF can be EASILY MADE. There is no black and white, it's all grey! It's kinda like a debate, where both parties are screaming at each other: "Is too! Is not!" "I got proof!"; "And i got proof!" People have lost their 'animal instincts'...and TV has played a HUGE part of that. We rely too much, on what "other people" say, instead of listening to our own INSTINCTS.

Let's ask the "experts"? hahahahah Pah-lease.....WE'RE ALL AMATEURS! Some people, just THINK their experts! E=MC2 WHO CARES! hahahahahah Can you build a fire, without matches or a lighter?

reply to post by nuttin4U


I'm in complete agreement with you.

In reply to Phage's answer, on a day nearing 100 degrees, I have a difficult time believing that ice particles would still remain in solid form when they are hovering near the tip of a skyscraper. I can not believe for a second that the air temperature is 32 degrees or colder near the top of a high building.

reply to post by nuttin4U


Utter absurdity:

.....with their crystal clear photos...edited in photoshop; to make it look like "a very long time".

There is this building in many cities of the world....it's called a "library". In this building are things called "books". These "books" have photographs on their pages....there are many, many that have photographs that document the existence of persistent contrails, over many decades.

"photoshop"? The "chemtrail" believers are just getting sillier and sillier every day.