Scientists Just Discovered the Speed Limit for Quantum Particles

According to an article published by Nature Magazine (and told through Ars Technica), an experiment run by Marc Cheneau was able to prove the velocity ceiling for quantum particles by trapping a quantum gas with atoms in an optical lattice between intersecting lasers:

By rapidly increasing the depth of the optical lattice, the researchers create what is known as a quenched system. You can think of this as analogous to plunging a hot forged piece of metal into water to cool it quickly. Before the change, the atoms are in equilibrium; after the change, they are highly excited.

As in many other strongly interacting systems, these excitations take the form of quasiparticles that can travel through the lattice. Neighboring quasiparticles begin with their quantum states entangled, but propagate rapidly in opposite directions down the lattice. As in all entangled systems, the states of the quasiparticles remain correlated even as the separation between them grows. By measuring the distance between the excitations as a function of time, the real velocity of the quasiparticles' propagation can be measured. As measured, it is more than twice the speed of sound in the system.

What does that mean in the scheme of things? Well it serves as an important confirmation for those working in quantum field theory, who are attempting to prove that elements of special relativity do, in fact, operate within the realm of quantum physics.

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I know so many people are dying to see Einstein proved wrong but as of now it seems his theory of special relativity still stands.

i thought the speed limit was light speed? i thought all matter particles were spinning at light speed?

the light speed barrier is the barrier of energy in our space/time..i thought. which would mean that all barriers (solid) matter is spinning at light speed..

some things are just unknowable, i'm comfortable with that.

Originally posted by metalshredmetal
i thought the speed limit was light speed? i thought all matter particles were spinning at light speed?

the light speed barrier is the barrier of energy in our space/time..i thought. which would mean that all barriers (solid) matter is spinning at light speed..

some things are just unknowable, i'm comfortable with that.

Nothing with any mass moves at "light speed" Photons don't have mass so they zip along at the cosmic speed limit;

"C": It's not just a "good idea": Its the law!

More than twice the speed of sound? That's slower than I expected.

Very cool.
I always thought the word "limit" shouldn't be placed on any relatively new discovery. Same with "laws".
Someday, someone else will come along and tell us there's a new limit, and the laws of physics have been broken...

Science makes new discoveries, and the only constant is change.

Good, I quite like Einstein's theories.
I would rather have a stargate than a warp drive.
(Einstein suggested it is possible to bend both space and time)

Now, this doesn't mean jetting through space and arriving at a nearby star system a second later is impossible, it just means that won't happen through propulsion.
It would require basically heading towards said system, then bending the time around yourself(craft) to fluctuate back and forth a minute...so, inside the space/time vortex you made, it may take 50,000 years to make the journey, but outside, it takes only a few seconds.

The speed of light is not a factor in travel, and in fact nailing down such things is a good first step in creating the transportation system that is possible.

Still, we are possibly many decades away from creating such a technology capable of bending the local time enough to reverse it (time tunneling?).

Now, the question is, can we hyper-excite and direct our quantum material to "teleport" distances at the speed of light? What would this require, and more importantly, how do we rematerialized at the destination...preferrably alive?

Einstein did not squash science fiction dreaming, actually, he advanced it with a far cooler result (aka, non propulsion solutions). People need to realize star trek is hogwash in regards to warping and such, whereas battlestar galactica's jumping is very plausible according to Einsteins teachings.

Sources:
space and time bend
Relativity of simultaneity (same time, different places, no paradox)
All sorts of time travel stuff

Special relativity does not limit..rather, it splits open wonderous ideas. Glad to see yet more is proving it to be true.

Originally posted by 46ACE

Originally posted by metalshredmetal

Nothing with any mass moves at "light speed" Photons don't have mass so they zip along at the cosmic speed limit;

"C": It's not just a "good idea": Its the law!

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actually, fringe scientists are pondering that ALL particles are photons. photons in different states.

Paper: Is the Electron really a Photon with Toroidal Topology?

i've read an awesome book recently that explains this well: The Source Field Investigations

and as for the einstein's theory that predicted mass would increase as it approached the speed of light...the Source Field investigations cites the work of several scientists who have come to conclusions that this assumption is incorrect...

and mass actually decreases as it approaches the speed of light.

Dr. Vladimir Ginzburg posed that einstein's equations would still be valid, and explain physical phenomenon of the universe, if mass decreased instead of increased at the speed of light.

Ginzburg:

You may not be prepared to abandon immediately the century-old relativistic equations. But once you are ready to do so, you will discover many amazing things: Only when a particle is at rest, it may be considered as pure matter. As soon as the particle begins to move, its gravitational mass and electrical charge will start to decrease....so a part of that matter will be converted into a field. [the "wave" field, the Source Field] When the particle velocity V becomes equal to the ultimate spiral field velocity C, its gravitational mass and electric charge become equal to 0. At this point, matter will be completely converted into a "pure" field.

Ginzburg's papers & bio Here

now to understand this idea, you must remember that NOTHING is ever "at rest". ANYTHING on Earth is always moving, as Earth is always orbiting the Sun, which is also moving through the Milky Way.

another thing: the motion of particles inside atoms are always going very close to the speed of light, so it needs relatively little energy to be pushed over the light-speed barrier.

Dr. Nikolai Kozyrev also did experiments to prove that acceleration actually decreases mass, and not increases mass.

he found that simply smashing an object against a hard surface would cause it's weight to decrease. he also found that simply shaking a weight up and down thirty times by hand was enough to cause its weight to go down.

Dr. Bruce DePalma did experiments on spinning ball-bearings and found that they lost weight when spun at high speeds.

two one-inch ball bearings were given a "precisely measured thrust" that should normally cause them to rise and fall in exactly the same arc. the only difference between the two was that depalma used a hand router to get one spinning at 18,000 revolutions per minute, or 300 rev. per second, first - so this is obviously a very fast spin. he then launched them off in the dark and photographed the results with a 60-cycle strobe light.

Repeating this numerous times, and analyzing the parallel trajectories of the ball bearings as documented photographically... the rotating ball...wet to a higher point in its trajectory, fell faster, and hit the bottom of it's trajectory before the non-rotating ball bearing.

the spinning bearing had become lighter thanks to it's acceleration (spinning), it plunged faster than ordinary gravity should allow, which suggests it was moving slightly faster in time as well.

depalma found that simply dropping the bearings "repeatedly demonstrated a small but significant and clearly perceptible effect" if one of them was spinning at a fast speed.

these experiments were published in 1976. Dr. Edward Purcell of Harvard implied

"According to DePalma, Purcell, after contemplating the experiment for several minutes, remarked 'This will change everything'

all of this information implies that as matter approaches light speed, it's mass actually DEcreases. The Source Field Investigations, along with the work of physicist Dewey B. Larson & "Reciprocal Systems Theory" posit that as mass approaches light speed, a few atoms that cross the LS barrier actually LEAVE our space/time dimension and ENTER the time/space dimension. because some atoms cross over into time/space, the object becomes "lighter", with less "weight".

this theory describes anti-gravity and teleportation, among many other phenomenon, beautifully.

Well im sure glad you get this stuff.....to me it is incomprehensible....
There was a guy who was using small motors to spin weights...
he wieghed the rig while at rest, then wieghed it while it was running and spinning its weights....
It lost a certain percentage of its weight when running....
Is this a similar trip.......if so hje was working with boeing last i heard....maybe they have something going by now........

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yes that sounds about right...the book i linked also talks about experiments like that...

a scientist measures the exact amount of energy needed to start a motor up to a certain speed...let's say that it's 100 "units"...he then cranks up the motor to the same speed and keeps it running for hours and hours and hours...

then abruptly stops the motor, THEN measures how much energy is needed to get it back up to speed again. he finds that it takes LESS energy to get it up to speed when the motor had previously been running for hours.

The Source Field Investigations comes to the conclusion that this occurs because the spinning motor forces the source field itself to spin with it. and when the motor stops, a portion of the source field remains spinning thanks to it's atomic-energetic-duplicate in time/space. since the source field is still spinning while the motor is at rest, it takes less energy to get the motor running again.

this scientist was Dr. Harold Aspden. he did these experiments in 1995, he called this phenom "virtual inertia". the "virtual" part is regarding the source field energetic-duplicate in time/space.

The experimental evidence is that there is something spinning of an ethereal nature [ The Source Field ] coextensive with the machine rotor...it can spin independently and take several minutes to decay, whereas the motor comes to rest in a few seconds. Two machines of different size and composition reveal the phenomenon - and tests indicate variations with time of day, and compass orientation ... this discovery was unexpected as it has crept in loud and clear in a project aimed at testing a motor principle totally unrelated to "vacuum spin."

interesting stuff...

This sounds interesting and is certainly a different view of einstiens theories, it would make sense if a particle converted its own mass into energy the faster it goes, and once it reaches the speed of light, that's it, it cannot go any faster since it no longer has any mass to convert into energy, This is what i'm getting from the theory you have presented.

Originally posted by cruddas
This sounds interesting and is certainly a different view of einstiens theories, it would make sense if a particle converted its own mass into energy the faster it goes, and once it reaches the speed of light, that's it, it cannot go any faster since it no longer has any mass to convert into energy, This is what i'm getting from the theory you have presented.

yes, i agree, it seems appropriate that mass converts it's energy into "pure energy" at the speed of light...like what happens behind the event horizon of black holes: the object will be ripped to pieces under the extreme accelerated energy. this results in the object shedding the properties of "space" and physicality, and converting it's energy into an energetic duplicate which manifests in a different dimension than our physical space/time.

this energetic duplicate idea is roaring in science right now. look up the phantom DNA effect, this is the observation of DNAs energetic duplicate. the ASTRAL BODY is the energetic duplicate of OUR body. Astral projection is the conscious use of your energy body instead of physical body.

when you see the beauty in this, einsteins version just looks ugly. HOW and WHY would matter "gain mass" as it approaches light speed? where would the extra mass come from? why should something become heavier the faster it travels?

the decreasing mass theory is far superior in simplicity and beauty. this is what i look for in truth.

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Very interesting, You have inspired me to investigate.
By the way, the way I used to visualize matter gaining mass as it approaches light speed, was that the energy put into the mass for acceleration gets converted into mass and velocity. The slower its moving, the more the energy input gets converted to kinetic energy, and the closer it was to the speed of light, the more the energy would be converted to mass, and less as kinetic. But that's how I pictured it in early high school. Its time to do some digging.

Originally posted by SomethingAboveUs
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Very interesting, You have inspired me to investigate.

By the way, the way I used to visualize matter gaining mass as it approaches light speed, was that the energy put into the mass for acceleration gets converted into mass and velocity. The slower its moving, the more the energy input gets converted to kinetic energy, and the closer it was to the speed of light, the more the energy would be converted to mass, and less as kinetic. But that's how I pictured it in early high school. Its time to do some digging.

i suggest you start with reading my post about mass DECREASING at light speed....where would the extra mass come from if mass increased at light speed? the added mass must come from somewhere.

and so, if a photon travels at light speed, why doesn't it have infinite mass? there are plenty of experiments to prove that mass decreases, but not so much supporting mass increasing.

once the light speed barrier is approached, the mass of the object is converted into pure energy in order to accelerate past light speed.

it is common knowledge in physics that the amount of energy needed to cross the light speed barrier is HUGE,,,even when an object is "almost" at light speed....there must be energy that's added to the object in order for it to cross over...this added energy is the object converting it's mass into pure energy...

once the barrier is crossed, objects exist 100% in the "pure" energy state,, and 0% in the physical mass state.

this theory is concurred by physicist Dewey B. Larson and his Reciprocal Systems Theory.

our physical plane is represented as space/time. the "other side" of the light speed barrier is time/space. time/space is the spirit world.