When do you think an advanced ancient civilization existed and why?

When do you think an advanced ancient civilization existed and why?

Please provide valid reference points. If they are scientific the better.
Why do you think they existed, please provide proof or circumstantial evidence, reference points.
Please provide a TIME FRAME.
I have not found this topic exact topic on ats.

reply to post by BBalazs


Sorry pal I'm on my phone so it would be rather difficult to post links and reference points. But I believe in Greek history, beings such as Cyclops and other giant figurers may have been a distant link to other advanced beings.

reply to post by BBalazs


The Antikythera Mechanism!

Today it is believed that this instrument was a kind of mechanical analog computer used to calculate the movements of stars and planets in astronomy. It has been estimated that the antikythera mechanism was built around 87 B.C and was lost in 76 B.C.

X-rays of the device have indicated that there are at least 30 different gears present in it. British historian Derek Price has done extensive research on what the antikythera mechanism may have been used for. It was not until 1959 that Price put forth the theory that the device was used in astronomy to make calculations and predictions. In 1974, Price presented a model of how the antikythera mechanism might have functioned. When past or future dates were entered into the device it calculated the astronomical information related to the Sun, Moon, and other planets.

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I think this device definitely shows proof that there were civilisations a lot more advanced in the past than what mainstream history leads us to believe.

And this a cool replica that was made out of lego

look up graham hancock,and robert buval.
they argue,with pretty convincing proof, that the shpinx is about 10,000 years old, by showing the erosion was cased by water,not sand.
egypt was only a wetland around 10,000 years ago!
check these guys out,really cool stuff!
fingerprints of the gods is a good read by graham hancock.
i can discuss this topic for hours,but my typing sux!!!
good luck,ther is lot o' info out ther to read,and or look up

reply to post by BBalazs


Okey dokey, i will start with the most likely time frame then - immediately prior to the last Ice Age. There is already huge evidence (mounting every week) of advanced societies on the North Anatolia plains of Turkey. Anywhere further north of that in the Black Sea region would have been inundated with flood water at the end of the Ice Age with the melting of the ice. I also believe this is where most of the flood myths of antiquity originate - a collective conscience of events that signalled the end of a golden period.

One of the towns excavated on the Anatolia plains is around 11'000 years old. Archeologists have discovered a temple complex (ish) - that pre dates the earliest known organised agriculture so would indicate religious practices also pre date agriculture (which skews most theories about early religion springing up around agriculture).

You need only look at some of earths monoliths.

The Pyramids of Giza
Aztec/Inca/Olmec/Ancient pyramids
Machu Picchu
The sphynx.
Stonehenge
Easter island

Ancient history has a lot to offer, i remember back in 6th grade my english teacher showed us a movie, i dont remember much but it was about ancient history, and how it could be changed forever.

They are talking about excavating a certain piece of land, and digging down further than known human civilization, they begin to find other objects that should not be there. It was interesting, i forget the name of the movie but it always stuck with me when at the end he said "We can not dig any further, because the further we dig, the more we find, and the more the history books would change if the truth was released"

I in no way believe that we are being given all the information, not in the least.

The Baghdad Battery!

The Baghdad Battery, also known as the Parthian Battery, is a curious artifact that was discovered near Baghdad, Iraq. There is something around a dozen of these artifacts and their purpose is a matter of controversy. However, the most prominent theory regarding their purpose is quite astounding. It is thought by many that the Baghdad Battery is an ancient battery. The amazing thing about this possibility is that if it is in fact, a battery, that would mean that batteries were invented roughly 2,000 years before modern history suggests electricity was discovered by humans.

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More evidence

Peace

The Piri-Reis Map

Potentially one of the most significant finds of modern time as it is clearly dated 1513 AD and shows both the coastlines of the American and debatably, the Antarctic coastline (which has been frozen over since around 4,000 BC). This map alters all previous conceptions of our pre-historic ancestors abilities. The 'Piri-Reis' map is one of several 'portellano's' which appear to have a geometric basis of unknown provenance. It has several interesting features which deserve investigation, such as:-

The map has pre-Columbian provenance.

The map shows the coastline of America.

The map shows accurate use of Longitude and Latitude.

The map-builders used 'Spherical geometry'.

The map centres at the junction of the 23.5˚ parallel (Tropic of cancer), and the longitude of Alexandria.

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thanks everyone, not what I was thinking of.
the ancient greek and sumerian civilizations are well documented.
if they had a battery or timepiece, it would just make them slightly more advanced then we had presumed.
i am by no means placing advanced technology as a prerequisite for an advanced civilization.
thinking more in terms of structure, and access to knowledge.
how such knowledge may have been interpreted or used, is speculation.
my feeling is, that since humanoids have been around a lot longer then many think (scientifically) ancient civilizations did arise, but are most likely buried in an hostile and unaccesable place.
i would like to narrow down the time width for such a civilization to exist, so that I may look at scientific data for my library full of circumstantial evidence.
so if anyone is aware of such theories or proven archielogical oddities, please share.

reply to post by RandalFlagg

yes the piri reis map is interesting as it shows a land crossing from antartica.
could be just a skewed picture though.

reply to post by BBalazs


See my above post then - this the best time period for the rise of towns / society in our current format. Therefore, to extrapolate it further back (which i also think is entirely plausible) i would say in the period between the last 2 Ice Ages. That is also enough of a time frame to have pretty much obliterated any signs of those civilizations today. Just as our flood myths, etc, date back to earlier times, i believe they also had their own myths from way before that have since been long forgotten.

reply to post by Flavian


yes, i know about the turkish 12000 year site.
very interested.
especially, since i believe it is underground.
begs the question:
why build underground?

Originally posted by BBalazs
When do you think an advanced ancient civilization existed and why?

Please provide valid reference points. If they are scientific the better.
Why do you think they existed, please provide proof or circumstantial evidence, reference points.
Please provide a TIME FRAME.
I have not found this topic exact topic on ats.

edit on 25-1-2012 by BBalazs because: (no reason given)

edit on 25-1-2012 by BBalazs because: (no reason given)

You didn't look hard enough on here then because there are many topics discussing this and theories as to when and where they were.

IMO the Egyptians were an advanced civilization. Advanced doesn't mean wifi and satellite phones, advanced to them is completely different than to us in today's time. They built amazing monuments that are precisely accurate in measurement and symmetrical. The Ancient Egyptians, Mayan, Indians and Chinese imo were advanced civilizations.

Here are some threads you might like

Proof: Advanced Ancient Indian Civilization Existed
The 10,000 year old civilization that was more advanced than us.
Proof that Ancient Civilizations were advanced as us

Then my favorite which to me shows the Ancient Egyptians were advanced in their own right as were the other civilizations mentioned in this documentary.
Revelation of the Pyramids

It's in 7 parts but worth the watch.

This is one of my favorite documentaries because it shows things they never discuss in school books about the pyramids or other structures around the world. I had many WOW moments and have watched it a dozen times since. I find many interesting things to look into when it comes to advanced civilizations of our past. We don't give our ancestors enough credit.

You know how they say someone is always better than you? Well someone will always be more advanced than us, doesn't mean they dont have their own advancements.




Here is another documentary I enjoyed on the pyramids.
Pyramid Code

Maby this is more what you are looking for?

The London Artifact

The London Hammer, or the London Artifact as some call it, was promoted by Baugh as a monumental ‘Pre-Flood’ discovery. Additional curiosity was generated when a 1985 report from the Creation Ex Nihile dated the rock formation encompassing the hammer as 400-500 million years old.

The Hammer is six inches (15.24cm) long with a diameter of one inch. The metal has been identified as consisting of 96.6% iron, 2.6% chlorine, and 0.74% sulfur. Believers point out that this hammer has not rusted since its discovery over sixty years ago. This is certainly a unique blend of metalurgy which some claim be a lost technology of ancient man.

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Originally posted by mblahnikluver

Originally posted by BBalazs
When do you think an advanced ancient civilization existed and why?

Please provide valid reference points. If they are scientific the better.
Why do you think they existed, please provide proof or circumstantial evidence, reference points.
Please provide a TIME FRAME.
I have not found this topic exact topic on ats.

edit on 25-1-2012 by BBalazs because: (no reason given)

edit on 25-1-2012 by BBalazs because: (no reason given)

You didn't look hard enough on here then because there are many topics discussing this and theories as to when and where they were.

IMO the Egyptians were an advanced civilization. Advanced doesn't mean wifi and satellite phones, advanced to them is completely different than to us in today's time. They built amazing monuments that are precisely accurate in measurement and symmetrical. The Ancient Egyptians, Mayan, Indians and Chinese imo were advanced civilizations.

Here are some threads you might like

Proof: Advanced Ancient Indian Civilization Existed
The 10,000 year old civilization that was more advanced than us.
Proof that Ancient Civilizations were advanced as us

Then my favorite which to me shows the Ancient Egyptians were advanced in their own right as were the other civilizations mentioned in this documentary.
Revelation of the Pyramids

It's in 7 parts but worth the watch.

This is one of my favorite documentaries because it shows things they never discuss in school books about the pyramids or other structures around the world. I had many WOW moments and have watched it a dozen times since. I find many interesting things to look into when it comes to advanced civilizations of our past. We don't give our ancestors enough credit.

You know how they say someone is always better than you? Well someone will always be more advanced than us, doesn't mean they dont have their own advancements.

Thanks.
Well, I am hoping to pinpoint an ancient civilization and dig it up, not just theorize.

reply to post by BBalazs


The black Sea region is very active in both earthquakes and volcanoes. Possibly underground as a memory to fallout from ancient eruptions?

However, some towns being found there would have been surface towns also.

If you look at the state of some of the ruins nowadays from even recent history, it is highly unlikely we will ever find anything major from an ancient civilization. Aside from anything, we like to build around the coasts and sea levels have changed so much over the years that much will be under the sea. Not so much of a problem for things from recent history (even a couple of thousand years) but for things built around, say, the Pillars Of Hercules, they would be now at the bottom of one of the biggest sumps anywhere in the worlds oceans. The sheer power of the water cascading into and out of the Med during the melt offs from various Ice Ages would have totally destroyed any signs.

Same for Antarctica - while we have evidence of ice coverage for millions of years there is also evidence suggesting a brief spell where the shorelines were certainly not all ice bound. If anything was in locations at such times, it would now be totally destroyed under the ice, which would also grind it to oblivion as it moves slowly over the top.

reply to post by BBalazs


Have you SEEN the Cairo museum?

All kinds of ancient civilization proof has been dug up. King Tut? He was part of an ancient advanced civilization.

He isn't theory nor are the Egyptians, they are fact. They existed and they were advanced in their own right.

reply to post by Flavian

yes, those are problematic.
however....
ice preserves well, don't you think?

off course still a very large project.
i shall see.
i would like to map out possible migration roots, weather patterns, and possible inactive periods when "nothing" is happening....this could in fact mean, something is happening.

I am quite certain that the north and south poles are good candidates for the remains of an ancient civilization....

Originally posted by BBalazs
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yes, those are problematic.
however....
ice preserves well, don't you think?

off course still a very large project.
i shall see.
i would like to map out possible migration roots, weather patterns, and possible inactive periods when "nothing" is happening....this could in fact mean, something is happening.

I am quite certain that the north and south poles are good candidates for the remains of an ancient civilization....

The North Pole is over sea water about 4,000 meters deep - the South has been covered by ice for a LONG time and still is so your searches here will be - limited

Other comments

Piri Reis; nope a copy of earlier European maps, Portuguese explorations and a copy of a map of Columbus journeys -as the margin notes explains - nice map - no secret information

Antikythera Mechanism a wonderous piece of work of a type that was mentioned being made by the Greeks in their texts - so no mysterious ancient civilization there

Where will you find the 'advanced' civilization? Probably in small habitations like Catalhuyuk and other places, Gobelki Tepe and the such. If such a civilization existed it was either not human and long, long ago; or it was very small and had a limited technology-and left no traces

reply to post by Hanslune

you should check:
1. weather patterns for the past 200.000 years.
2. human migration, OOA is so stupid, it goes against all scientific evidence.
3. the piri reis map, nothing special, accept antarica is present, but that my just be south america.
4. why does everyone assume, ancient civilizations would want to build skyscrapers and such?
food was abundant, population low. why would you start building skyscrapers, to work?