Ron Paul Stripped of All Delegates from Iowa

Originally posted by semperfortis
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Ron Paul, the career politician, effectiveness = 0, deserves exactly the 10 to 12 percent he gets in the polls. The man would be a disaster and ever REAL Conservative knows that. I am involved in and even hold office in several of the "Stumps" here and the common agreement is if Paul ever got the nomination, we would all vote Obama.
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How would those conservatives feel about the Republican ticket with Ron Paul as VP? I think the Republicans are going to need to take some risks to beat Obama. Incumbents usually win.

Originally posted by alienspacecentereast
Vote fraud all the way through, you need to storm the WH and clean the house and re-install real democracy in US, or we are all f.....

edit on 25-1-2012 by alienspacecentereast because: (no reason given)

Yeah because the White House has everything to do with the Republican Party ran Iowa caucus. You can't even blame the state of Iowa for the blunder that was this year's Republican caucus. It is interesting though that the same people who like to cry voter fraud and election reform has shown exactly how mismanaged elections will become if you put them in charge.

reply to post by semperfortis

Semper, never thought I'd admit this (in public ), but I agree with you 100%.

If all the Paulites would just step back from the blind devotion and near worship, they would see that what the Iowa caucus means is not really worth a damn anyway.

But every chance to cry "foul" in the name of RP
(so sick of that man's name after seeing plastered all over ATS that I can't even make myself type it out)
is pounced upon like the only piece of meat in a stadium full of starving people.

eta: flame away, I really don't give a damn.

Hmm..blind devotion
Nope I'm very clear on where RP stands and 100% informed and sure about why I like him..and with a 40 year record I'm pretty sure he is not going to be flip flopping on any of his issues either :p

Its nice that this thread keeps getting bumped by those people that are so passionate about him tho. I think its important to point out to the people how blatantly biased the mainstream media is towards RP.

Originally posted by toepick
Hmm..blind devotion
Nope I'm very clear on where RP stands and 100% informed and sure about why I like him..and with a 40 year record I'm pretty sure he is not going to be flip flopping on any of his issues either :p

Its nice that this thread keeps getting bumped by those people that are so passionate about him tho. I think its important to point out to the people how blatantly biased the mainstream media is towards RP.

...but my "near worship" comment was ok?

Hey at least your avatar isn't the old coot, like many others on ATS.

reply to post by Chamberf=6


Thanks! Made that myself actually

I respect him a great deal, he is one of the few politicians who worked full time a large majority of his time in congress. He got into it because he saw the need for change, and despite being a minority (and probably mostly alone) in his beliefs until only recently he has stood by those beliefs when I think most people would have swayed or given in to pressure.

Even if he does not become president, and I believe he does have a good chance, I think he has done this nation a great service in opening up a debate on economic and foreign policy. And seeing as how he does have a large percentage of the younger vote that gives me a little hope for our future as a country.

But no, I do not worship him or any other 'person'. That would be a religious discussion best left for another thread

Originally posted by alienspacecentereast
Vote fraud all the way through, you need to storm the WH and clean the house and re-install real democracy in US, or we are all f.....

edit on 25-1-2012 by alienspacecentereast because: (no reason given)

The whitehouse had nothing to do with this AT ALL -- this was brought to you by the super conscientious anti vote fraud republicans. you lie down with dogs - you get fleas.

You might want to direct your outrage at the right people.

reply to post by Vitchilo


They are soft delegates in Iowa, none of the delegates have been awarded. Ron Paul hasn't lost a thing. Relax.

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Originally posted by semperfortis
reply to post by litterbaux

 

I could care less how they present the data

I never react with emotion

I check the facts and make up my own mind

I try to do this, but I'm still working on it. I have gotten better though.

Thanks for the information that they were unbound, makes sense that way.

Originally posted by Chamberf=6

If all the Paulites would just step back from the blind devotion and near worship, they would see that what the Iowa caucus means is not really worth a damn anyway.

I believe what the Paul-ites are devoted to is an America with liberty and justice for all. What many may be blind or indifferent to is what it may cost us to reclaim that glory. It will not be easy to do as the protected interests that have taken us further away from those ideals will fight to keep their ill-gained advantages.

Liberty does not mean our nation must be continually embroiled in conflicts on foreign lands. Justice does not mean we are free to have our doors kicked-in, our privacies invaded, and a jury to dictate our fate when those senseless invasions pit us against the world's premiere prison-industrial system. To free ourselves from the restrictive society we've become may cause us some discomforts and inconveniences as we break away from corporate-government (fascist) bonds. Such a move could further experience economic hardship, which many have increasingly felt in recent years, but to a great many it would be worth whatever price necessary to live as free people.

I have suspected that America's liberty is largely a Hollywood illusion. Some people know that illusion as a fact. It is not a valid argument to refute this by saying many countries are much worse - when some of those countries are not as bad as you may think. Americans want to be Number 1, the best of the best and no second-best will do. But where can we make that claim? We produce the world's best armament. We bring more criminals to justice than anywhere else in the world. We have the most persuasive and action-filled entertainment industry. I suppose this lets us be the baddest dude on the global block, the enforcer, and we can tell anyone how it's going to be or the consequences they face, and we can entertain you with that and have you applaud taking away your neighbor or tossing his butt out on the street, right? But now a number of folks have seen that come a bit too close to home, have felt the long arm grasping for their coattails, and some have felt a discomfort after having gotten a glimpse of what is pulling levers behind the curtain.

Some foreigners are so tired of hearing American braggadocio and are sickened by hearing our name. Some Americans now share some of those same anxieties as well. Many Americans now more than ever are wanting to reclaim those ideals we boast of too, without all the chest-pounding. And now some "old coot" is saying we can do that, we can uphold our ideas and spread real liberty throughout the world, we can break free from our bonds and live free, and we can become the world's greatest and most respected nation again and not just the most feared.

But every chance to cry "foul" in the name of RP (so sick of that man's name after seeing plastered all over ATS that I can't even make myself type it out) is pounced upon like the only piece of meat in a stadium full of starving people.

Yes, we can quit crying "foul" and coming to blows any time another nation wants to break clean or remain free from the global banking system, or wants to pay another independent nation in a currency besides American dollars for their oil, or that wants to quit playing pharma-cop for the corrupt cause of global substance-control, or even wants us to leave them be when their government wants to destroy its own opium fields without having the US come in get their drug farms producing again.

Some little old man told us we can do this. We know it can be done, even if the struggle to do so goes on after this man's lifetime. We know it will take time and effort and won't likely happen overnight, and we know this little old man is not for greed and glory but shares these same ideals with us and is willing to take on those established interests. Some of us are willing to do what it takes to live up to all that has been taught to us, all that has been promoted as the highest of American ideals. And some of us have forgotten what all that means anymore.

We know some are willing to give up their ideals because perhaps they've gotten a taste of comfort and security in their own little niche, some "real conservatives" that would be afraid this old man might rock their comfortable boat so will vote for the liberal democrat that keeps them comfy and warm while doing nothing but greasing the nation on it's continuing fall from grace. They'll argue that everything is just fine like it is and eagerly lift their plate for another helping of more of the same.

This old man doesn't need the media ignoring or mis-representing him, but we know it happens, why it happens, and that it strengthens our resolve to get behind him.

reply to post by cloudyday


It looks like ATS believes in censorship as much as our Federal Government does. Don't say anything about the ridiculous condescending tone from the so-called moderators around here, you'll have your posts removed and account frozen.

Free Speech my ass. Only if you agree.

Originally posted by semperfortis
Dear Lord....

sigh...... (Patience)

It does NOT matter what is reported by the MSN, PMSNBC or the Northern Otter

If the Paul supporters would lose the emotions and begin to act logically, he may be taken more seriously

The fact is that the delegates can, will and do vote for whomever they wish

This is a bogus story at best, but typical of the Paul hype

He is quite simply NOT ever going to be remotely considered for the nomination unless ALL the other candidates wind up lost on a desert island somewhere.

And if that happens, most of us REAL Conservatives will vote for Obama anyway

So you don't think it's possible for the delegates to be swayed by the media? Care to back that up with facts?

reply to post by Vitchilo


Hello Vitchilo,

Each State has the ability to constuct the method for selecting delegates to their party's national convention.

The facts you listed seem to indicate the state of Iowa held a series of caucuses to select some of their delegates pledged to vote for specific candidates. The balance are likely to be designated state party officials elected at other party business meetings. Generally called at large delegates, they are free to decide at the convention who to support.

As the covention date gets near you may hear them refered to in the news as "super delegates" .

reply to post by semperfortis

I could care less how they present the data I never react with emotion I check the facts and make up my own mind Something sorely lacking in the Paul campaign

Yes, you do react with emotion. You just lumped all the Paul supporters into one group and said they react on emotion. It's a personal attack as far as I'm concerned.

Your arrogance is showing through. If you can't be more objective....perhaps you shouldn't be a moderator.

Mr. "True Conservative."

reply to post by NightGypsy


Mods are allowed to express their thoughts and opinions just like the rest of us.

People don't seem to like what Semper said, but instead of focusing on what he said, many are focusing on one small area of his life. (being a MOD)

wtf?

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by NightGypsy

 

Mods are allowed to express their thoughts and opinions just like the rest of us.



wtf?

edit on 1/26/2012 by Chamberf=6 because: (no reason given)

And I just expressed mine.

And if that happens, most of us REAL Conservatives will vote for Obama anyway

Wow just wow. So basically "real conservatives" will vote for someone they have been calling a communist over a libertarian. Bizzaro world 1, sane world 0. I don't what's worse the fact that Obama has pretty much continued the Neo-Con agenda or conservatives thinking a libertarian is worse than their described extremist liberal.

Unbelievable.