On why America is in denial and Ron Paul will not be elected

Ever since I heard loud boos for Ron Paul after he stated "we shouldn't do to others what we don't want done to us" at one debate in regards to sanctioning Iran, I realized that America is no longer the leader of the world but is instead a wrestling competitor caught in an triangle lock who couldnt accept his defeat, and the more he fights it the worse it gets. This booing was a slap in the face that woke me back to consciousness.
The fact that conservatives consider themselves so "religious", and even started wars against Muslims to defend the control of Christianity over the world, but they can not even practice the values they are fighting for.

They have complete faith in a book they don't even understand.

Even worse, they can not accept that the country is broke. We are surving on issuing more debt. We are sitting on a ticking time bomb, any time the dollar could collapse and we'll be paying $200 for a coffee. Russia, japan, India and China are all agreeing to substitute the dollar with gold as a means of exchange and to buy oil, we can not rely on them to buy our debt for much longer.
How can we act like we can go on more wars when we are broke? We can't, and clearly the politicians know it, they're not stupid. I'm a random highschool graduate and even I am aware of all this. So this talk of war is just rethoric, the politicians know Americans love to excercise power internationally, so they will talk. But the conservative candidates seem to be really considering invading Iran.

We have not yet realized that we're no longer the world's super power any more. Ron Paul is our savior if you will, but we're not looking for a savior, because our pride and ego prevents us from adimitting that we need a savior. This is our tragedy, and it will go down like it did for all the other empires that have fallen, not accepting that you were not more special than the others.

I think electing Ron Paul will only happen when Americans have put their egos to the side and recognized that this ship is sinking. But by the looks of it, it may not happen in my lifetime.

reply to post by omarm1984


Nice rant! I agree with you nearly 100%. My thoughts are it has a lot to do with people not willing to look over their politics over the last 30 years and admitting they had it wrong.

Just as bad as the "blame america" crowd is the "america can do no wrong" crowd. Sadly not many can duck their ego's long enough to take a subjective look at things. We are witnessing a society in decline where crazy is sane and peace means war.

To quote John Lennon

Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.

I think that sums it up nicely.

reply to post by omarm1984


Yeah it's really sad how some people can't see or don't want to see...But I guess we'll have 2016....If we make it that long, I don't see the US going in any direction but down...I'm just waiting to see If this rabbit hole ends?

reply to post by sageofmonticello


I agree with you and the OP. The ego of humankind (i.e. USA) will be the downfall as many have predicted. I think part of the awakening process is learning to check your ego. One of the biggest changes in my life was realizing it.

I was in a discussion earlier and I live in Alabama. All I was asking the to do is take 5 to 10 minute to actually look up his foreign policy. Most on there would only respond with insults. I even showed them how bad Gingrich would lose to Obama but its like they ignore the facts. I did find a small group of RP supporters out of it but the majority here believe RP supporters are a bunch of kids in support of drug use. I don't believe RP will win but I think he knows that too. I think his sole purpose was to wake up as many people as possible and to try to lay the foundation to resore the Constitution.

reply to post by omarm1984


While I understand what you are saying and I know this isnt an attack on conservatives, however.......I think you are wrong........and heres why

Yes conservatives are traditionally more religious then others, and god knows plenty are hypocrites.....

The issue is this.......

MOST conservatives from what i can tell DO WANT Ron Paul elected.......we love the guy, hes the most conservative man on that stage......even if you dont agree with his foreign policy, IT IS CONSERVATIVE lol

what we are getting however is different, its very clear that the media and TPTB have picked their man....

Theres been proven voter fraud, even in Iowa, complete media blackouts on Paul, and blatant disregard for conservatives that DO want him elected, passing them off as non conservatives and crazies.....

Ron Paul will not be elected, not because of the people, he has our support...........but because the establishment will not allow it....

Good post. We're all going down like clowns and the majority refuse to see it for what it is. They are ignorant of history, human psychology, economics, and how the world really works.

Those that do not remember history are doomed to repeat it. Another empire bites the dust...Here we go again....

Ron Paul will not win the nomination because he is not a bought-and-paid-for sock puppet, but for his standing up and trying to educate us as we sink beneath the waves like the Titanic, I am forever grateful. I didn't think there was one person worth a rat's ass in Washington D.C. anymore.

If you like destruction, endless war, total deception and complete insanity, this is indeed a fascinating time to be alive.

reply to post by omarm1984


While I do admit that the booing you speak of was indeed quite saddening, it was no shocker to me. The hypocrisy in the republican party today is completely off the charts, almost to the point that it gives me cause to question their sanity.

On the other hand, South Carolina is not a fair benchmark by which to judge the rest of the nation either. Didn't you notice the drastic difference between the boisterous debate audience in S.C. as opposed to the one in Florida? Different as day and night.

With respect to Ron Paul's chances of becoming POTUS, IMO they're probably less than zero and I'll tell you why. The one thing I like about Ron Paul is his anti-war stance but that's not enough to get him elected. When President Obama advocates any degree of cuts to the military budget, he is rewarded with fierce criticism from the republican establishment accusing him of being weak on national defense. When Ron Paul says that he too will bring our troops home and cut the military budget, he can expect the same opposition. My point is, that both men have advocated for cutting military spending so I doubt that's going to be the deciding factor in the election. Once you get beyond Ron Paul's positions on anti-war and fixing the fed., you will begin to see the real issues that will prevent him from becoming POTUS.

1. He has stated that he thinks both, Medicare & Social Security are unconstitutional. (I wonder why he's not campaigning in that little retirement village known as Florida?)
2. He believes in massive de-regulation across the board. (I can still hear the 99%ers chanting; "We want de-regulation and we want it now," can't you? )
3. Has stated that he would not have voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act.
4. Has stated that privately owned business, (restaurants, convenience stores, lumber yards etc.) should have the right to discriminate or refuse to do business with blacks, jews, gays, muslims or whatever they so choose. (Not including the Tea Party, most Americans are not willing to return to the days of the Confederacy.)
5. His position on home foreclosures is to just let the market bottom out, along with the occupants of the homes.

I believe that most of his positions are just too extreme to be acceptable for most Americans, but only time will tell.

reply to post by omarm1984

But the conservative candidates seem to be really considering invading Iran.

Let me fix that for ya:

But the neoconservative candidates seem to be really considering invading Iran.

Yeah I don't know what's wrong with people. They defend a corrupted and failed system in a Stockholm syndrome-esque way, and call the candidate who's offering real beneficial change and a restoration of the policies that originally prevented the problems we're seeing today crazy.

reply to post by omarm1984


nope unfortunately it wont happen ever. The system of America will have to collapse, thats the only answer now.

reply to post by Flatfish


While you are technically correct with your 5 listed positions of Ron Paul, they are only extreme when taken out of context. When he explains his reasons, they no longer sound extreme but rather more like common sense.

1. He has stated that he thinks both, Medicare & Social Security are unconstitutional. (I wonder why he's not campaigning in that little retirement village known as Florida?) 2. He believes in massive de-regulation across the board. (I can still hear the 99%ers chanting; "We want de-regulation and we want it now," can't you? ) 3. Has stated that he would not have voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act. 4. Has stated that privately owned business, (restaurants, convenience stores, lumber yards etc.) should have the right to discriminate or refuse to do business with blacks, jews, gays, muslims or whatever they so choose. (Not including the Tea Party, most Americans are not willing to return to the days of the Confederacy.) 5. His position on home foreclosures is to just let the market bottom out, along with the occupants of the homes.

1. He has stated that he feels they are unconstitutional because people have no choice if they wish to participate or not. He doesn't advocate ridding the country of them overnight but rather working our way out of it and giving people the option to participate if they desire or not participate. Why shouldn't people be allowed to choose? I think most people would be fine with letting people choose.

2. www.ronpaul.com...

3 & 4. www.ronpaul.com...

5. What other solution is there? This does not sound very extreme to me, this sounds like common sense economics. He has stated that regulations have prevented home owners from negotiating with banks to correct their homes prices. In the past it was possible to do so when the value of the home fell dramatically. People can also hold on to their homes until the value increases again. This is not as bad as it seems besides if the government didn't create the housing bubble it wouldn't even be an issue. He warned of the housing bubble for years and everyone laughed at him.

If the market was allowed to correct itself it would be bad for a year or so (though not much different than it is now anyways) but then would come back up. The solutions they have in D.C. are just prolonging the pain. If we stay on the same path it could be decades until prices get back to where they should be.

This is probably one of the best thought out threads I have ever read on ATS (aside from www.abovetopsecret.com...). I wish I could give you more than one measly star and flag.

You didnt describe the situation with 99.9% accuracy. You got it all baby!

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I remember thinking this is it... the world is going to get better now.
That was when Obama came along saying all the right things.. he fooled the world. His masters must have been proud.

All those years of Bush were like hell on earth.. SAVE US!.. but once he got into office.. He was the biggest snake in the grass ever.. he's on par with Bush now. Both of them not worth pissing on to stop from burning.

And those are the only candidates that will be "allowed" to win by the various string pullers. Puppets that give false hope through deception then serve only the moneyed interests.

Ron Paul is too good to be true.. they will not let him win, even if the American people want him too, but Americans seemed to be so brainwashed in the majority, that they will vote for the candidate who has an exciting war plan to kill all the evildoers.. PATRIOTIC FEVER BABY!

The POTUS no longer serves the citizens of the USA.. Only the men who paid his ticket and dressed him for the show.

I personally don't see an end to the quagmire that is US politics. We are all doomed to suffer at the hands of the mega rich until they are shot off their perches, or the world ends thru war.

Precog

Something To Ponder,

Hypothetically Ron Paul Wins,

due to voter fraud, the the puppet masters, Etc, would that mean that 'they' wanted him to win? would that mean 'they' allowed him to win? or would that mean that somehow the 'People' escaped their grasp enough to vote in someone the 'People' wanted?

is Ron Paul 'Above Conspiracy'?


now before we get into Name Calling, I'm a Anarchist, i don't support any candidate, this is not an unbiased attack, nor unbiased support,

Originally posted by Darth_Prime
Something To Ponder,

Hypothetically Ron Paul Wins,

due to voter fraud, the the puppet masters, Etc, would that mean that 'they' wanted him to win? would that mean 'they' allowed him to win? or would that mean that somehow the 'People' escaped their grasp enough to vote in someone the 'People' wanted?

is Ron Paul 'Above Conspiracy'?


now before we get into Name Calling, I'm a Anarchist, i don't support any candidate, this is not an unbiased attack, nor unbiased support,

In Accordance with the Prophecy... (jokes)

Thats just not going to happen.. you can tell from the show they are putting on for us now.
"They" are trying their darndest to bury him as quickly as possible, I thought it was obvious.

I will admit the thought crossed my mind.. but after much obversation and consideration, I personally believe he just isn't going to be allowed to make it, or otherwise.

And I'm sure he does have a skeleton hidden somewhere.. doesnt everyone?

reply to post by omarm1984

This is our tragedy, and it will go down like it did for all the other empires that have fallen, not accepting that you were not more special than the others.

I think electing Ron Paul will only happen when Americans have put their egos to the side and recognized that this ship is sinking.

Well spoken for some 'random highschool graduate'. People should listen to these wise words.

Not to sound morbid, but until a certain age group of America kicks the bucket, don't expect much to change. The 18 to 35 group that support Ron Paul more than any other candidate however are going to take the values he espouses to the grave, it is deeply embedded in them and that will change American elections for decades to come. Another thing the msm fails to mention about Ron Paul is the massive international support he gets, he probably has more support outside America than inside it.

reply to post by Flatfish


There are a lot of (Senior Citizens) living in the United States...and they live on (Social Security)...and they vote.

The stances about Ron Paul that you have stated...many, many believe to be true; because of that...he will not get most of the Senior vote.

reply to post by omarm1984


My question would be ...

How much of this televised and ardent lack of support for Ron Paul paid for by the powers that be ?

How difficult would it be to pay attendees of these televised (to the sheeple) "Debates" to voice their lack of support for the candidate who challenges and threatens the status quo ?

Why is this heckling even permitted ? Because it is obviously a tactic being used to steer the herd away from RP and weaken his image....

Reading between the lines It is fairly certain that that this is how it works and as well as the sole purpose of these televised political debates overall.

To steer the Sheeple in the direction of the preselected candidate.

Plain and Simple.