America 2013

Hello everyone,

First off I want to thank you, not only for clicking on my post but also for being on ATS and staying aware and up to date on topics that actually affect us. Rather than what the media reports daily. Anyways let me briefly introduce why I decided to write this.

I feel the United States of America is going to be going through some very drastic, possibly everlasting, changes in the very near future.

The Dow is up to 12,708.8 today, close to 5 thousand points up from when the economy was "at its worst" only a few years ago. In fact it is roughly one thousand points off the record high close in Oct 2007. We all know how well the stock market preformed in 2008. Hitting historic lows in November 2008 it went down to 7449.38. History repeats itself. Does it feel like were are in such great times where our economy should be almost at its all time high? How can the economy be doing so well if our country is on the virge of collapse and bankruptcy due to extreme ammounts of (once again) historic levels of debts owed with much less revenue to work with. Therefore we prop up the economy temporarely with bailouts, using money we printed fresh off the machines from thin air, money that in fact is loaned to us as a country whole, either directly or indirectly, with interest of course. To put it simply, we are taking out loans (on a multi trillion dollar scale when combined) to just barely be able to pay the interest payment from the other loans we already owe. To anyone with a brain this does not make any sense, if the goal is indeed to pay off the debt (which obviously its not).


Look outside, talk to your friends, talk to anyone on the street, ask them if they have a job, if so, can it support a family on 40 hours of work each week? Probally not. This results in either longer hours, another job, or another workers income/s needed to help support the family (wife, husband, son, daughter) The unemployment rate that the government reports is currently at 8.5%. Go outside and ask 10 people if they have a job or not and see if only 1 person says no. Then figure in the people who may have lied to you because they would feel ashamed saying they dont have a job, even to a complete stranger. My point is the way the figures are reported should be illegal in my eyes. If you are not currently looking for a job (and how they have any means of tracking this if your not on unemployment I have no clue) you are not considered unemployed. This among other strategic criteria are used in such a way to cover up the fact that many more citizens are actually unemployed then being reported.


When someone works all the time, the time they have off becomes more important, more valuable, but that time is disappearing from many peoples lives. When you finally do get a chance a to sit down and relax, most are piliferated with something else to keep them busy. Tv, Video Games, Ipods, Etc... We are addicted to being entertained. I have to admit I am a victim, but more so an accomplice. I choose this path knowingly. I could take the easy route and blame it on someone or something else, but I am done with giving excuses, which prolong the inevitable. To put it simply I have wasted thousands and thousands of hours doing almost nothing productive by watching tv or playing with some form of entertainment. I feel that always being entertained in your off time is not a good thing at all. Now the opposite is also true and a balence must be found for each individual.

Life for me, is not suppose to be about when the new season of your favorite show is starting or when the next overpriced unnecessary electronic item you want to purchase is being released. It should be about how to fix the problems we are currently facing in a way that works for everyone, which nowadays sounds like a fantasy and impractical. But what is so far fetched about everyone being treated equally.


Why do others have to suffer so that a select few can live off their workers labor. Why are some worth billions while others die from starvation every moment. Why are other countries considered less worthy or less important than ours? Where does this type of mentality come from? Is it because we deal with the most money that we consider ourselves better than others? Or is it the freedoms we use to have garenteed by the Constitution? Even though many were left unprotected even when it was enforced. Whatever it is, it has only gained us enemies over the years. When the time comes and resources are limited the country with roughly 300 million people which equals roughly 4.5% the worlds population, uses roughly 25% the worlds resources is going to have major problems to say the least. We should be working together to conserve our useage of every natural resource. We should recycle everything that is able to be recycled. We should be implementing technologies that will last longer than we will.


Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya.


Tensions rising in Iran by the day.


Look at a map and look at the location of those counties and tell me if it looks like we are strategically taking over the middle east one war at a time. Our ability to be the superpower bully of the world is coming to and end due to the same reason every other empire has fallen, greed overextended its reaches and the money ran dry. Strechted too far too thin with no money to fund any of it.


So with all of this said. If anyone is still actually reading. Sorry if I bored you with my rambling but I feel like this needs to be seen. I am going to make a few predictions. This is what will happen if we continue on our current path.


#1 The USA will within 1 year go into another recession much worse than the previous, with much longer lasting impact.


#2 The dollar will then drop to an all time low which will result in what I like to call expedited inflation for a few years, resulting in effectivly doubling the price of everything each year, by diminishing the value of the dollar by 50% each year following.


#3 This will result in hyperinflation, which will drastically increase the amount of riots and tension nationwide due to a lack of funds for needed resources. The dollar at this point becomes basically useless.


#4 Martial Law will follow the breakout of riots and mayhem nationwide due to the lack of servicemen.


#5 Survival of the fittest once again becomes the rule of the land. With small groups forming individual entities in order to survive more effectively. With groups reaching a few thousand at most.


This is where it gets bad...


#6 The countries who we owe money to, as well as the many other countries we forced our way of thinking on will begin to invade and conquer what is left of the USA, after the collapse of its economy and infrastructure.


#7 The army, navy, and police will be attemping to protect their own families while we are left to fend for ourselves.


At that point anything can happen. However, I believe this can be avoided if we drastically change our way of thinking. We cannot fight any more wars. We cannot print any more money. We cannot give up any more rights. We must stand up for what we believe in and if that means preparing for the worst case scenario or voting for the next president we must do something. Nothing will change if nothing is done.

Quite the prediction(s), I do see the U.S. dollar collapsing in less than a year, and a global economic meltdown to follow in a domino effect. Despite all the chaos and drama going on down here on earth, we should be looking up at the macrocosm level and see our sun emitting CMEs and solar flares in earth's point of view. Just some astronomical insight of what's in store for 2012

#8.

The 113th Congress will impose a national value added tax of 20%.

They will increase income taxes dramatically for recover funding from all failed programs.

They will demand that all citizens pay off the national debt.
(which could be around $60,000 per citizen by then)

Originally posted by xuenchen
#8.

The 113th Congress will impose a national value added tax of 20%.

They will increase income taxes dramatically for recover funding from all failed programs.

They will demand that all citizens pay off the national debt.
(which could be around $60,000 per citizen by then)

Agreed... Who's got #9?

#9.

The U.N. will declare the U.S. insolvent on recommendations from The World Bank, The Bank of International Settlements, and The International Monetary Fund.

U.N. members will rescind recognition of The United States as a sovereign nation.

The U.N. will appoint George Soros as Trustee of The United States in receivership.

The U.N. Security Council will authorize troops to occupy the United States security zones.

Originally posted by xuenchen
#9.

The U.N. will declare the U.S. insolvent on recommendations from The World Bank, The Bank of International Settlements, and The International Monetary Fund.

U.N. members will rescind recognition of The United States as a sovereign nation.

The U.N. will appoint George Soros as Trustee of The United States in receivership.

The U.N. Security Council will authorize troops to occupy the United States security zones.

Another good one. And the list goes on

#10 ?

#11 ?

#12 ?

etc...

I like the responses already

#10.

The Vatican will petition the United Nations for recognition of Papal Bulls of the 1400's.
Claiming all lands for the Vatican West of the Azores. The Vatican has never rescinded those claims. They will claim leasehold rights. (All lands West of the Azores include all lands circling the globe back to Rome)

The Vatican will claim the bankrupt United States.

The Vatican will install a Jesuit Committee to enforce Roman Catholic Emergency Law under Jesuit military authority.

The Knights of Malta will serve as military legal authority.

The College of Cardinals will install a Roman Catholic Government for a period of no less than 100 years.

Originally posted by xuenchen
#10.

The Vatican will petition the United Nations for recognition of Papal Bulls of the 1400's.
Claiming all lands for the Vatican West of the Azores. The Vatican has never rescinded those claims. They will claim leasehold rights. (All lands West of the Azores include all lands circling the globe back to Rome)

The Vatican will claim the bankrupt United States.

The Vatican will install a Jesuit Committee to enforce Roman Catholic Emergency Law under Jesuit military authority.

The Knights of Malta will serve as military legal authority.

The College of Cardinals will install a Roman Catholic Government for a period of no less than 100 years.

edit on Jan-23-2012 by xuenchen because: (no reason given)

Wow your good! Much researched precise answers!

Im hoping this becomes somewhat popular enough of a thread for others to add their imput as well

Feel Free to add what you think everyone!

#11 and counting

reply to post by sgspecial19


Ya its anyone's guess what will happen.

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best!

Hmm, I don't know.
I seem to remember predictions similiar to these as far back as I can remember, born in the 70's, and none of it has really come to fruition. Remember Red Dawn? I remember when we thought Russia was going to invade. I also remember when people were convinced the bird flu was going to wipe us out a few years ago. And remember Y2K. Yeah, I'm thinking if america dies, it will be a slow drawn out death, like the Roman empire. It didn't fall overnight like alot of people think. It just lost pieces here and there, eventually changed leadership, and split, and split again. Now the Catholic church is really what is left of the Roman empire. Just a shadow of a once vast empire, that still has some influence(through the catholic faith) in spite of itself.

reply to post by ThinkB4uSpeak


Alot of people draw comparisons to modern day America and ancient Rome. I however think there are much better parallels beetween modern day America and 1933 Nazi Germany. Germans are not stupid people at all. Most americans say" I don't know how anyone could have followed anything that crazy Hitler said". Easy. Because he was a leader that actually seemed to care about his people. Propaganda and disinformation were used to get the german people to believe that they were doing all things right in their eyes. I can easily see Americas leaders blaming the ruined economy and every other problem that the Elite have caused on another nation or group of people. We've seen time and again that whatever it is does not have to be true. Simply repeat whatever it is you want the people to believe on T.V. enough and people wll blindly believe it. This has been seen time and time again on the MM. I feel like the American public will be duped by another false flag type of event orchestrated to get people to respond with their emotions instead of logic. Its not hard at all for me to see that in the near future, all the countries the U.S. has been bullying for years just might decide to get together and rid the world of the evil U.S. once things on the homefront become so bad that an actual invasion( a laughable concept atm) will become a real possibility. Just my 2 cents.

reply to post by ThinkB4uSpeak


I was laid off and out of work for 3 years. When my unemployment ran out, I was no longer reported as unemployed because I wasn't recieving unemployment. You are absolutely right about unemployed people not being counted. I was 57 and couldn't get another job as a Project Manager because after doing this job for years with only a 2 year degree and 50 credits to upgrade my skills, I found you now need a 4 year degree. So here I am now at 58 going back to college with another student loan I can't afford to get a degree so maybe I can get a job doing what I was already doing. I'm fed up with this crap! I don't even want to think what this country is going to look like in the next few years.

Jeez, I hope all this imagination of the worst possible scenario doesn't actually bring it about. I don't know why all the doom and gloom forecast, but I think you've been watching too many doomsday scenario movies. It's fun to imagine...

reply to post by Cancerwarrior


Right, and who backed the Nazi's? The papacy of course.

#11- Internet 2:mark of the beast/dragon/papacy to buy and sell biochip/tatoo complete surveilance . A days wage for barley. Three city-states D.C./Vatican/London inc. to rule 2/3 of Earth. British Isreali's seat of world power in Isreal. Culmination of WWII-WWIII

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Time to buy some guns and ammo.

The problem with comparing the U.S. To Rome or Germany is the education and worldly perspective of it's masses. Although it may still be easy to pull the wool over the majorities eyes. A good amount of the youth have strong ties to other parts of the world. The level of communication and transportation is a resource that will prove to be much more binding by those in the community. The countries of the world are connected by trade and culture in a much more dependent way. The loss of ones countries trade effects the rest on a broader scale.

This new dependency will make war much less beneficial in the future, as well as shackle us all to the downfall of larger countries like the U.S. At this point the gradual atrophy of the U.S. Will probably coincide with that of the rest of the planet in all ways including environmental.

In my personal opinion, the environmental issues before us as a united world demand our utmost attention before all things. We have set ourselves up in such a way that the maintenance required for the technologies we already have may prove to be unachievable, let alone the repairs of problems caused by pollution etc.

reply to post by Slavich


Guns and ammo will not prepare you for the future my friend. Those who you see as potential enemies will more than likely prove to be you allies in the struggle to recreate a sustainable community.

Originally posted by Quauhtli
The problem with comparing the U.S. To Rome or Germany is the education and worldly perspective of it's masses. Although it may still be easy to pull the wool over the majorities eyes. A good amount of the youth have strong ties to other parts of the world. The level of communication and transportation is a resource that will prove to be much more binding by those in the community. The countries of the world are connected by trade and culture in a much more dependent way. The loss of ones countries trade effects the rest on a broader scale.

This new dependency will make war much less beneficial in the future, as well as shackle us all to the downfall of larger countries like the U.S. At this point the gradual atrophy of the U.S. Will probably coincide with that of the rest of the planet in all ways including environmental.

In my personal opinion, the environmental issues before us as a united world demand our utmost attention before all things. We have set ourselves up in such a way that the maintenance required for the technologies we already have may prove to be unachievable, let alone the repairs of problems caused by pollution etc.

edit on 24-1-2012 by Quauhtli because: Add

Yeah anything is possible. I feel that a climax of events are coming. Even though it has been said in the past and things have been worse before, I feel like everything could fall apart very easily, very quickly. Specially if the environment starts fighting back.

Why does it need to be the end of the world scenario for America every year? It is almost as bad as the 2012 crowd. What are your predictions for Europe then? Three times the unemployment, AND a euro dollar that looks much worse off than the dollar over the next few years as whole countries defult...

Originally posted by ThinkB4uSpeakSo with all of this said. If anyone is still actually reading. Sorry if I bored you with my rambling but I feel like this needs to be seen. I am going to make a few predictions. This is what will happen if we continue on our current path.

#1 The USA will within 1 year go into another recession much worse than the previous, with much longer lasting impact.

I think the housing market can continue to go down...or up, but what could crash has already, I say it will be basically a flat year.

#2 The dollar will then drop to an all time low which will result in what I like to call expedited inflation for a few years, resulting in effectivly doubling the price of everything each year, by diminishing the value of the dollar by 50% each year following.

Don't see it....But the greater cost to get things to the market most likely will drive prices up as high as 30%....

#3 This will result in hyperinflation, which will drastically increase the amount of riots and tension nationwide due to a lack of funds for needed resources. The dollar at this point becomes basically useless.

Don't see it...takes a lot of stupidity and isolation to create hyperinflation and the world is way too connected for it to happen to us.

#4 Martial Law will follow the breakout of riots and mayhem nationwide due to the lack of servicemen.

It is said that what causes rioting of the masses is starving. Economists set the bar at below 800 cals per day for this to happen, and here even our poor get fat. One needs to see real poor in the world around us to understand what I'm talking about. This just will not happen...food is too plentiful and CHEAP even at crazy inflation levels...compared to much of the world....

Occupy wall street was a joke to what real protesting is all about. Here in Portland the city had to kill the power to the electric power plugs and news reporters could not use wireless to stream their news because of all the Ipads, smart phones, laptops etc the poor protestors had up and running.
America is way too fat and lazy to riot.....People might not like the way they live but they eat...a lot....

#5 Survival of the fittest once again becomes the rule of the land. With small groups forming individual entities in order to survive more effectively. With groups reaching a few thousand at most.

Maybe in a full power outage for months or longer or nuclear war....that's about it. I do agree if we lose our power grid we are in deep #...that is about it though...well, outside an asteroid. I live near fresh water that flows 365 AND I keep 6 months supply of food etc, AND I have an armory to boot, but I see loss of the power grid as the only in your face "# hit the fan" threat.

#6 The countries who we owe money to, as well as the many other countries we forced our way of thinking on will begin to invade and conquer what is left of the USA, after the collapse of its economy and infrastructure.

What countries? The only country with anything is China, and nukes are always there for us...for this to happen we need to add in nukes as well. Do you ever wonder why/how Germany rolled across Europe and the true reason Russia would never invade America. It is because only soldiers had guns in Europe and in America there is like 2 billion in the hands of the civilians. Just think of 10,000 Chinese paratroopers invading LA... God rest their souls....

I'm curious...how does owing money lead to an invasion....We could be like so many countries in the past and "nationalized" all debts and property from foreign investors.... One big reason America does not get invaded is because we are isolated by water...unlike Europe, China etc. It would be damn hard and damn costly...there would not be a 6 month build up in some neighboring country like we did in Saudi when we invaded Iraq. We (and the Russians) have showed the world that occupation just does not pay dividends. China invading us would cost them all their cities, 10 trillion per year to occupy us and a huge downsize in their population.

In the end America could very well one day crumble, but like Rome that was not build in a day neither was it destroyed in a day...or year either. What you suggest I see more like a long term erosion over many decades if we do not turn things around.

reply to post by Xtrozero


I agree with some of what you said. The scenarios were meant to be long term predictions other than the first 2. Anyways its anyone's guess what will or could happen. If our grid goes we wont be able to fix it, and its fragile. Powerful solar flares, Tactical overloads, Demolition of key stations, Asteroid, Accident by a worker at the plant lol. Anyways I was rambling and making predictions of what I feel can happen. Not exactly what will happen. I feel that America the way its headed in 20 - 30 years will hardly be recognizable.