Tired of the Ron Paul Bandwagon???

Originally posted by Crim123
I registered simply to get in on this. First off, who is going to attack us on our own soil if we adopt Ron Pauls foreign policy? Iran? Anyone who knows anything about military knows Iran is a paper tiger and poses no threat to America. Could they do some harm to Israel if they built a nuke, of course. Do I think they would? Nope because it's speculated that Israel has their fair share of nukes to retaliate back with. Just because one insane guy says he would want to blow them off the map does not mean they would, the results for Iran would be catastrophic.

my theory is, it'll be the new world order folks. they'll blame one of the abrahamic religions, and then TS-will-HTF.

Tired of the haters like you
completely disconnected from reality

wake up
Ron Paul is the only trustwhorty president
Obama Gingrinch Santorum Romney .. same bandwagon
lying to their teeth to be elected

RP is a great man .. why do you hate him and trol against him ?

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Hahaha LOLz the opposition to Ron Paul can do and say anything they wish without recourse from the Mods here but say the truth about the OP and WHAMMM! T@C!!!
What a sham shame on you ATS!

Did you even read the actioned post a little above yours?

He told the OP, in short, to go kill himself...

You approve of that?

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I'd have to step down a few levels of consciousness and into the realm of absolute incompetency to agree with any of your regurgitated drivel.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Vote for Gingrich, or the terrorists win.

Yep, nothing like old school rhetoric.

What do they win with Gingrich.
Another country blown to crap, hundreds of thousands more innocents dead.
More Flag Draped Caskets for US servicemen.

How can you support that?

I keep seeing statements posted comparing Paul supporters to Obama supporters in terms of fanaticism. (I'm talking about Obama supporters before he was elected...back when he was campaigning. "They're like zombies", "they're brainwashed", etc, etc)

There might be a similarity in the eagerness, but that's where it ends. The Paul supporters I talk to are intelligent, well-informed, critical-thinking individuals. The Obama supporters I have spoken to (in 2008 and presently) are clueless, uninformed, and "brainwashed". They're deluded beyond hope.

To address the OP...your comments about Gingrich and Santorum being better choices, for the reasons you've offered, is frightening.

I have recorded some of the debates, watched them several times, and invited some friends to watch them with me. After a thorough viewing, you start getting a big picture. It's like watching a movie several times and catching things you missed in the previous viewings. I am NOT just saying this because I'm a Ron Paul supporter, but....the more you watch the debates, the more it REALLY starts looking like a sane man arguing with a bunch of mentally disturbed individuals. I'm 100% serious. It's almost surreal.

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee
Hello ATS,

I write this fully knowing the ridiculous comments that will follow, however; I'm absolutely sick and tired of hearing how Ron Paul is still in the "Hunt" and Ron Paul's campaign is being sabotaged, cover-ups...blah blah blah

Flag and multiple stars for you!!

I truly had an open mind about RP and read many opinions about him here in ATS. I love his position on the FED and really tried to get past his foreign policy. I researched it from every angle. I’ve heard his view and what he wants to do, I’ve listened to his supporters, I’ve studied the effect these policies have had in the past and I put together my conclusions in this thread: Failed US Foreign Policy? Is Ron Paul the Answer? History Says NO!

Of course that thread was torn apart by the Paulites with their same tired arguments and rhetoric. It is the Paulites who fail to keep an open mind. They are the most hard-nosed supporters I have ever seen for any politician (YES – RP is a lifelong politician).

The fact is that RP would lead us down the same path toward world war the US has been down twice before. I’m sick of hearing about RP; he’s not a viable candidate and his foreign policy would create a nightmare scenario for US.

Thanks for having the stones to say so!!

I posted this this about a few days ago, but it just got diluted with Ron Paul fanatics claiming that I am wrong and ignorant and stupid. Double standard? We can't call you brainwashed but you can call us brainwashed?

Ron Paul is an economic genius no one is denying that! All of them besides for Romney will be good for the economy. Romney will probably suck up to his big business friends.

What makes questioning a Ron Paul candidacy trolling? There are millions of Ron Paul posts all spouting about conspiracies and coverups and unfair coverage that only Ron Paul people see. Why can't the OP voice his opinion about why he doesn't like Ron Paul? Is it blasphemy?


Obama is full of rhetoric anyone with half a brain can see that. There are similarities between Ron Paul's faults VS Obama's similarities so I'll just lump them all together.

Ron Paul says Iran is not a threat and 9/11 was our fault because we shouldn't be in the Middle East in the first place is a very dangerous world view point. We can't escape our war-mongering ways in one quick move. We have to gradually pull out of all the wars we are in. That usually can't happen in four years.

Obama said that we should pull out of Iraq completely. Bring our troops home. He wanted to drastically cut military spending as well, (which of course he finally got around to doing a few weeks ago) but this is the candidate Obama I am talking about. Very similar to Ron Paul

Ron Paul's Campaign message is "Restore America Now," Obama's Campaign message was, "Change we can believe in." See the difference? I do not!

It's still up in the air weather Ron Paul can actually get the Government and the media to listen to him if he somehow manages to get into the White House. Can he actually cut $1 Trillion from the budget and pass it through Congress? Obama has saved the taxpayers $40!!!! Yeah $40!!!! I don't think Ron Paul is going to get much past them, since they all hate him anyway. Name me one thing that he has passed???

No you can't at least Obama has done a FEW things, even when he was a senator!

And another thing, How could Ron Paul actually convince people to listen to him using only the power of the constitution? When ALL of Washington is evil and corrupt and hate HIM? By using things outside the Constitution like government mandates and special interest groups. Trust me, Ron Paul is no angel or God!

Ron Paul has a larger Ego than Obama does, because he actually believes that he has all this power? to change everything and everyone in the government and in power. Candidate Obama at least wanted to try to make everyone work together and to sort of come to a similar goal in mind.

So I ask again, if the corrupted politicians don't like Ron Paul now, what makes you think they will listen to him when President? I have analyzed a Ron Paul presidency and I just don't see it happening. I see him making all of these promises just like a certain President today, and then being attacked on all sides, he will probably die of a heart attack in office, because not as many people liked him as was overhyped on the internet, and his supporters will claim conspiracy like Kennedy.

It comes down to this, Ron Paul is a greedy politician just like all of them. He just hides his snide greed very well most of the time, while begging for money bombs. You don't know what Ron Paul will be like in office, I mean look at how much Obama or any president has changed for that matter. Ron Paul's good image will be eradicated if he is elected, because he will succumb to TPTB just like Obama did.

How exactly will Ron Paul and his handful of followers take corruption out? What is considered corruption? Everybody but Ron Paul? Or the people Ron Paul feels are corrupt? Sounds like a dictatorship to me!

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Our interventionist foreign policy is a HUGE part of why we were attacked on 9/11, according to the culprits themselves.

When you said Rick Santorum would make a good president, I lost all respect for your opinion.

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Let's get some facts absolutely straight, the people that are riding and hoping for Ron Paul are anti-war, pro-drugs, anti-gay marriage.

Wrong, love. I am anti-war, yes. I am pro-ending-the-war-on-some-people-who-use-some-drugs (anti-war). I am pro-keeping-the-Feds-out-of-the-marriage-dictation business. Leave that to the states. Frankly, I admire Paul for His willingness to admit He is anti-gay-marriage while also stating it is NOT a Federal issue constitutionally. I am pro-gay-marriage, in fact.

As for foreign policy... I think We should leave other countries alone unless THEY ask for help. Or unless THEY attack Us first. As it stands We are "preemptively" attacking other countries right and left on no evidence there is a problem. Without cries for help from the people. And all seem to be countries who are trying to deal in oil with something other than the US dollar. Hmmmm.

I don't think "isolationist" behavior - as in turning a deaf ear to the world at large - is a solution. And I don't think that is what Paul stands for either. Just staying out of Their hair unless They cry for help.

So... You may be "tired," but I can assure You, many of Us are eager to bring these views into office.

Originally posted by GreyFoxSolid
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

Our interventionist foreign policy is a HUGE part of why we were attacked on 9/11, according to the culprits themselves.

When you said Rick Santorum would make a good president, I lost all respect for your opinion.

Why, because Santorum has morals and strong values you disagree with?

If you don't like Santorum you're likely a non-Christain and non-conservative.

RP is not a conservative, he's an extreme libertarian with some very liberal views.

OP you say that serving your country is what makes people give a f#ck. Remeber Ron Paul is the only one running that has served his country and most of his campain donations come from active military because they agree with his foreign policies. What else you got?

Sorry Paul lovers, I just can't take seeing all this liberal and socialist Ron Paul support from within our country. I believe people hear one thing and one thing only and then they decide that is the candidate they will pick without thoroughly researching that candidate. Paul's foreign policy can not be in office.

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I'm not even American and your comment is an epic fail.You insult everyone on this site and their intelligence
with these comments.You think everyone who supports Ron Paul is jumping on a band wagon? Everyone who supports Ron Paul are just sheep who follow just because? You think that anyone who supports Ron Paul has not researched the man for the last thirty years? You think the status quo regarding America's foreign policy is working?
You think a long careered lobbyist like Newt Gindrich will change anything in Washington when the current system has been his bread and butter for so long?
If I was an American I would be absolutely disgusted in the whole process of media manipulation, vote fraud,
and two parties who act out this play every four years but both work for the same people.
I'm not American and I'm still disgusted and I watch the whole process from an unbiased position.
The thing that makes me laugh and feel sorry for the most is people like you who are so blinded by the reality
TPTB have created for you that you actually believe the things you say, when in actual fact all your doing is parroting the exact same words the so called media pumps into your brain everyday. You say you have the right to your own opinion,and I agree, but its sad to see your opinion was formed for you by what you've been spoon fed from watching years of propaganda and taking it as fact and reality.
You my friend are a victim.Like so many millions in America.A victim of a system that has been a huge lie.

I am a realist though,and I understand how the system works and I know that the forces that have been in power in America for this long have a plan and that plan has been in effect for the last one hundred years.They will not let Ron Paul ruin their plans and deep down I'm sure he knows it.What I see Ron Paul doing is planting the seed for the next generation.So hopefully they will be awake enough to save themselves and their country.
And maybe you if your lucky.

"You have to understand most of these people are not ready to be unplugged and many of them are so immersed so hopelessly dependant on the system they will fight to protect it."

I can't stress enough how much this phrase represents America today.It was and still is as true today as it was when it was first spoken.I never get tired of repeating it because of its simplistic and bold truth.

Wake up.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Vote for Gingrich, or the terrorists win.

Yep, nothing like old school rhetoric.

What do they win with Gingrich.
Another country blown to crap, hundreds of thousands more innocents dead.
More Flag Draped Caskets for US servicemen.

How can you support that?

Are you responding to me, or sort of adding to my post?

kick your sarcasm detector..it seems to be on the fritz

I think I misjudged the number of misinformed ATS members. This thread has 37 flags?
I really don't know why I fight this fight. I think the cynical people that say that the U.S. is doomed because of ignorance of politics and policy are probably right, if even a fraction of the people have this level of understanding.
There is no way anybody could ever get through to the OP, if it hasn't happened yet. If the OP believes that we have all of these bases overseas for DEFENSE, then how can you possibly reach them with logic? You can't.
We are extremely close, or perhaps we have already passed, the point of absolute corruption in government. We have a small group that controls or are planning on controlling EVERYTHING related to our lives...our information, our food and medicine, our ability to feed and house ourselves and our family, even our very lives.
OP can't see that? OP can't see that Ron Paul is trying to reverse that? OP can't see that it is the individual that give Ron Paul his POWER, and it is the individual that he is trying to empower?
There is an old biblical proverb that applies here. "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch."
I think I will let the OP alone.

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I don't care how Ron Paul rationalizes his views or what other countries want to make war with each other.

No more of my friends dying overseas on some crappy scrap of Earth = DONE. Got my vote, I could care less if South Korea wants to attack North Korea, let them. I could care less if Iran wants to attack Israel or if Israel wants to throw every book they can at every other crappy excuse for a nation over there, let them. It's not Americas job to lose our kids so the rest of the world doesn't destroy themselves, let them.

If WW3 comes, I say we stay out of it until we have to finish the job for everyones well being, just like the last one.

Originally posted by SurrealisticPillow
I think I misjudged the number of misinformed ATS members. This thread has 37 flags?
I really don't know why I fight this fight. I think the cynical people that say that the U.S. is doomed because of ignorance of politics and policy are probably right, if even a fraction of the people have this level of understanding.
There is no way anybody could ever get through to the OP, if it hasn't happened yet. If the OP believes that we have all of these bases overseas for DEFENSE, then how can you possibly reach them with logic? You can't.
We are extremely close, or perhaps we have already passed, the point of absolute corruption in government. We have a small group that controls or are planning on controlling EVERYTHING related to our lives...our information, our food and medicine, our ability to feed and house ourselves and our family, even our very lives.
OP can't see that? OP can't see that Ron Paul is trying to reverse that? OP can't see that it is the individual that give Ron Paul his POWER, and it is the individual that he is trying to empower?
There is an old biblical proverb that applies here. "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch."
I think I will let the OP alone.

If people like you don’t understand that bases overseas allow the US to instantly respond to threats around the world in defense of this nation then you are oblivious and naïve. The countries that host these bases don’t feel any were near as strongly about removing them as YOU DO! What does that tell you about your view??

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Originally posted by Ben81
Tired of the haters like you
completely disconnected from reality

wake up
Ron Paul is the only trustwhorty president
Obama Gingrinch Santorum Romney .. same bandwagon
lying to their teeth to be elected

RP is a great man .. why do you hate him and trol against him ?

I can name a number of reasons as to why this man doesn't have any faith in the governmental elections, but maybe the alien profile pic isn't the biggest dead give-a-way afterall..