Tired of the Ron Paul Bandwagon???

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee
reply to post by rogerstigers

 

How am I wrong on his foreign policy. He's stated it time and time again.....and I've read his views and his policies. I have reduced it down to simple foreign policy. Provide me another point or his policy on foreign policy that contradicts what I've written please.

You quoted him correctly enough.. you interpreted him 100% incorrectly. You might notice I did NOT say your post was 100% wrong.

If it helps you to understand (if you even really give a damn), read my OP here and see if it helps with understanding his foreign policy.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

Ron Paul believes that we, as a country, deserved...listen to me DESERVED the 9/11 attacks.

Complete nonsense!

I'm not even going to waste my time reading the rest of your OP.

with all due respect, maybe you should read into Mr. Ron Paul. You might just be one of the people I mentioned above that found one thing you like about Paul and now you're on his bandwagon. May I suggest you read this article or you can find many others I'm sure....but it specifically states that he feels that America takes responsibility in those attacks. Sorry buddy.

www.mediaite.com...

Sorry buddy, but he never said he believes that we, as a country, deserved...listen to me DESERVED the 9/11 attacks.

Keep in mind that Paul Wolfowitz basically said the same thing "Bases in Arabia Motivated al Qaeda".

so you're taking what he said and making it fit your needs and wants? anybody that would put any blame on America for those attacks don't deserve to represent this country. Sorry. He absolutely said that, he absolutely believes that we deserved what happened. Read. Read some more....it's in black and white my friend. I'm not a hater...i'm simply concerned for our future and ability to protect ourselves. that's all

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Your absolutely right Newt will definitely turn the country around. Not. He didn't do anything to help the US before at least not in a good way and he definitely isn't going to do it now. Post human believer, writes the forward to Alvin and Heidi Toffler books. Can't make up mind about anything without waiting for a paycheck. Sell out his country, sell out his business, sell out his family. Sell out his own soul if he ever had one. As much as I can't stand the idea of 4 more years of Obama I will vote for him before I would sleep at night voting for Newt.

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee
reply to post by Common Good

 

I don't disagree with you about Newt. I'm not an avid supporter. Read what I wrote.... the man is smart but and he won't put up with the bullsh*t from foreign countries. He's not who I would want as my first choice, but he's better than allowing a NO foreign policy candidate in the white house

No hes not.

And he doesnt have a "no foreign Policy". that doesnt even make sense.

He doesnt want to get rid of our Allies, just the amount of waste that goes to those allies.

Why do we as a broke nation have to settle everyones problems? We arent the "Dad" of the Earth.
Let some of these other "GREAT COUNTRIES" handle some of these problems.

Countries rise and fall- America is on the path of being a doomed nation if we continue to let these pimps in the oval office run our nation with no accountability.

no thanks, Id rather vote for a man with a proven track record of great achievments over corporate pimps and whores anyday of the week.

I just prefer taking my changes going forward - - not backward.

I watch this video "Pale Blue Dot" - - and can only think we need to do more to unite the world - - not less - - pulling away from it - - because its difficult. www.youtube.com...

People have some idealistic romanticized version of states governing themselves. They are not thinking this through. We'd be heading toward geographic areas of ideology thinking - - like tribes in the mid-east - - all fighting each other for power and control.

Absolutely Not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Civil Rights? They ALL need to be Equal and Federal - - including marriage.

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Sorry Paul lovers, I just can't take seeing all this liberal and socialist Ron Paul support from within our country. I believe people hear one thing and one thing only and then they decide that is the candidate they will pick without thoroughly researching that candidate. Paul's foreign policy can not be in office.

That makes no sense...also his foreign policy is to respect the sovereignty of other nations...nothing wrong with that at all..if anything try it..just once.

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee
... May I suggest you read this article or you can find many others I'm sure....but it specifically states that he feels that America takes responsibility in those attacks. Sorry buddy.

Seriously? "Buddy", the Illuminati controlled CBS and puppet Bob Schieffer is the best source you can find? No wonder you're out to lunch.

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

Ron Paul believes that we, as a country, deserved...listen to me DESERVED the 9/11 attacks.

Complete nonsense!

I'm not even going to waste my time reading the rest of your OP.

with all due respect, maybe you should read into Mr. Ron Paul. You might just be one of the people I mentioned above that found one thing you like about Paul and now you're on his bandwagon. May I suggest you read this article or you can find many others I'm sure....but it specifically states that he feels that America takes responsibility in those attacks. Sorry buddy.

www.mediaite.com...

Sorry buddy, but he never said he believes that we, as a country, deserved...listen to me DESERVED the 9/11 attacks.

Keep in mind that Paul Wolfowitz basically said the same thing "Bases in Arabia Motivated al Qaeda".

so you're taking what he said and making it fit your needs and wants?

No.

That's what you're doing.

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee
reply to post by rogerstigers

 

How am I wrong on his foreign policy. He's stated it time and time again.....and I've read his views and his policies. I have reduced it down to simple foreign policy. Provide me another point or his policy on foreign policy that contradicts what I've written please.

From the horses's mouth

A PRO-AMERICA FOREIGN POLICY

As an Air Force veteran, Ron Paul believes national defense is the single most important responsibility the Constitution entrusts to the federal government.

In Congress, Ron Paul voted to authorize military force to hunt down Osama bin Laden and authored legislation to specifically target terrorist leaders and bring them to justice.

Today, however, hundreds of thousands of our fighting men and women have been stretched thin all across the globe in over 135 countries – often without a clear mission, any sense of what defines victory, or the knowledge of when they’ll be permanently reunited with their families.

Acting as the world’s policeman and nation-building weakens our country, puts our troops in harm’s way, and sends precious resources to other nations in the midst of an historic economic crisis.

Taxpayers are forced to spend billions of dollars each year to protect the borders of other countries, while Washington refuses to deal with our own border security needs.

Congress has been rendered virtually irrelevant in foreign policy decisions and regularly cedes authority to an executive branch that refuses to be held accountable for its actions.

Far from defeating the enemy, our current policies provide incentive for more to take up arms against us.

That’s why, as Commander-in-Chief, Dr. Paul will lead the fight to:

* Make securing our borders the top national security priority.

* Avoid long and expensive land wars that bankrupt our country by using constitutional means to capture or kill terrorist leaders who helped attack the U.S. and continue to plot further attacks.

* Guarantee our intelligence community’s efforts are directed toward legitimate threats and not spying on innocent Americans through unconstitutional power grabs like the Patriot Act.

* End the nation-building that is draining troop morale, increasing our debt, and sacrificing lives with no end in sight.

* Follow the Constitution by asking Congress to declare war before one is waged.

* Only send our military into conflict with a clear mission and all the tools they need to complete the job – and then bring them home.

* Ensure our veterans receive the care, benefits, and honors they have earned when they return.

* Revitalize the military for the 21st century by eliminating waste in a trillion-dollar military budget.

* Prevent the TSA from forcing Americans to either be groped or ogled just to travel on an airplane and ultimately abolish the unconstitutional agency.

* Stop taking money from the middle class and the poor to give to rich dictators through foreign aid.

As President, Ron Paul’s national defense policy will ensure that the greatest nation in human history is strong, secure, and respected.

Ron Paul's National Defense

You don't have to "read into" or "fill in the blanks". Ron Paul does not hide things like other politicians do.

Originally posted by rogerstigers

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee
reply to post by rogerstigers

 

How am I wrong on his foreign policy. He's stated it time and time again.....and I've read his views and his policies. I have reduced it down to simple foreign policy. Provide me another point or his policy on foreign policy that contradicts what I've written please.

You quoted him correctly enough.. you interpreted him 100% incorrectly. You might notice I did NOT say your post was 100% wrong.

If it helps you to understand (if you even really give a damn), read my OP here and see if it helps with understanding his foreign policy.

I read your post and can appreciate "staying out of other people's business" which keeps you out of fights and how that correlates to Ron Paul's foreign policy. I offer you this though, there's people out there just like countries, North Korea, China, Japan, Iran to name a few, that are radical. No matter what we do or don't do, they will attack first chance they get because of what this country stands for. All I'm saying with Paul is, even if you like his approach of staying out of someone elses business, that doesn't necessarily mean they will stay out of ours. His approach is one that he believes will allow for peace when all it will do is allow a window of time for preparation from these countries that despise us to formulate a way to bring us down. We can't have that and expect to remain the same country we are now. That philosophy would be GREAT if every country thought that way....but the sad truth is we know and can predict what the other countries will do, no matter what we do!!!! thanks for sending me to your link and i do give a damn

I flagged your thread title, but disagree with your post. I am tired of hearing how totally kickass awesome DR (I love how people always call him Dr, as if that will make people love him more) Paul.

Originally posted by Glargod

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee
... May I suggest you read this article or you can find many others I'm sure....but it specifically states that he feels that America takes responsibility in those attacks. Sorry buddy.

Seriously? "Buddy", the Illuminati controlled CBS and puppet Bob Schieffer is the best source you can find? No wonder you're out to lunch.

no, not the best i can do, just one of many different sources that can be read.

Originally posted by Deja`Vu
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

He is the only hope left for this country. I don't agree with you at all.

Not that long ago I remember reading the same thing about Obama here at ATS. Isn't that kind of like putting all your eggs in one basket?

I am not sure that you can say that someone is a complete dumb ass, and still stay within the T&C rules on ATS.
In fact, I am quite sure that you can't so I am not going to say it...
If you are tired of the Ron Paul Bandwagon, whatever that is, then don't get on it. Ridicule it if you want. Call us whatever you want. Join all of the others that just love the status quo that benefits the few at the expense of the many.
But if you think that dumb arse threads are going to get you points here, then you have underestimated the intelligence of ATS members, and you have drastically OVERESTIMATED your own.
Hopefully, this post is within the rules. This hasn't been a good weekend for TRUE patriots of the U.S.A.

Originally posted by type0civ
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

Sorry Paul lovers, I just can't take seeing all this liberal and socialist Ron Paul support from within our country. I believe people hear one thing and one thing only and then they decide that is the candidate they will pick without thoroughly researching that candidate. Paul's foreign policy can not be in office.

That makes no sense...also his foreign policy is to respect the sovereignty of other nations...nothing wrong with that at all..if anything try it..just once.

That's just it...we can do that all day long...it's not a bad way to be...the problem is we know and can predict what other countries will do. they will not and do not feel the same way about us. So no matter what we do, they will be our enemies for nothing less that the way we live and what this country stands for. his policy would be fine if everyone else would fall in line.....but the sad fact is we know they won't. that's why we call them radicals

This thread belongs in the Rant section, because that's what it is.

I consider myself a "true American", and I couldn't disagree with you more. Your Cold War mentality is the same old tired argument which has lead to the downfall of our Great Republic. In your opinion, if we remain respectful of other countries and stay out of the Invasion game (or "nation building", what a joke that is), soon we'll have (in the words of Dubya) mushroom clouds on every horizon.

Thus the Military-Industrial Complex continues on its merry way, as long as Americans remain fearful, deluded and obsessed with controlling the rest of the world. In my opinion, our current foreign policy is exactly why we have become the world's #1 Bad Guy. You can be strong and still stay in your own back yard. That is Dr. Paul's message, one that is apparently lost on most folks out there.

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Dr. King was used the title and did not practice, does that make him a dbag?
Dr. Paul may not anymore but did, for quite a stretch, now rather than birthing babies and helping parents, he tries to help our elected officials make sound choices.
So he is sort of a politics doctor, now that is a bad infection.
Plus, there are no others in the running that can claim the Dr. title.
Nope it helps

reply to post by mrgregbusybee

The word you used was "deserves" I believe? Deserves and maybe a reason for the "supposed" 9/11 attacks are to different things all together.

Mr Greg, tell me what you think of this anology?

Let's use dogs!

The US is a pitbull. Random Muslim country, let's say Iran, is a Chihuahua.

In a fight, not too much of a contest between the Pitbull and the Chihuahua.

Now poke that Chihuahua with a stick a few times. Will it attempt to bite you? Sure, no matter how big you are.

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Let's get some facts absolutely straight, the people that are riding and hoping for Ron Paul are anti-war, pro-drugs, anti-gay marriage.

 

These are FACTS??? You win a steaming pile of fresh, juicy road apples!

I am not pro-drugs or anti-gay marriage, but I am anti-war.

Why did you fail to mention sound financial policy or Constitutional Freedoms? I guess you must be against the Constitution and sound money!

Are there any true Americans left in our socially dysfunctional and economically crippled country we call the United States of America??

Yes. They are on the Ron Paul bandwagon

In the past, my comments seem to have the effect of 'killing' threads.
I hope it works again on this thread.

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Are there any true Americans left in our socially dysfunctional and economically crippled country we call the United States of America??

I think they're called Ron Paul supporters.

Let's get some facts absolutely straight, the people that are riding and hoping for Ron Paul are anti-war, pro-drugs, anti-gay marriage.

Awesome generalization. I'm actually pro-gay marriage.

Ron Paul believes that we, as a country, deserved...listen to me DESERVED the 9/11 attacks.

Really? He said that? A quote of him saying that would be great. Also, have you ever heard of blowback?

We would be out of South Korea which will allow North Korea to overtake by force, South Korea.

Yes I'm sure that would happen Nostradamus.

Within the 1st year of office, Ron Paul would mind his own business and allow Iran to continue building or complete production of nuclear weapons.

Good for Iran! I say let 'em have as many nuclear weapons as they want. We have them, so do plenty of other countries. Let Iran decide what to do for themselves, not America.

Paul would allow Israel to fend for themselves and we all know that Iran wants nothing more than to wipe Israel off the face of the planet.

That's actually a misquote.

So in under 12 months, we would at a minimum see a war in Korea and one in Israel.

You forgot to start that sentence out with "In my opinion, based upon speculation, "

How long do you think it will be before we have trouble knocking on our front door or better still, how long before you're in your front yard one day and see a rocket trail over head that is headed for a big city somewhere near you??

I don't know, Martial Law might be right around the corner.

By that point our military will be so reduced and weak, we won't be able to protect our own coast lines.

Cutting militarism is not the same thing as cutting defense.

Ron Paul is absolutely the worst candidate you can put in the white house

Yeah following the Constitution is BAD FOR AMERICA everyone.

Opinions are like A$$holes, I know...but Ron Paul's stance on foreign policy alone should make you question his ability as a leader and make you strongly against him.....

That is, if you're a war mongering maniac.

that's if you care to protect your own country.

Again, defense is not militarism.

Some of you may say, well who the hell do you want as a president? My answer is simple, I really would like a president like Jesse Ventura not Jesse but with his attitude. At least we knew he was straight forward and not covering up anything. So my perfect president would have the attitude of Ventura, the thought processes of Ronald Reagan, the ability to communicate with foreign leaders like Bill Clinton and the ability to speak (speak only) like Obama....the man can talk. That's my perfect president

Perfect! Let's all support a non-existant candidate who is a figment of your imagination!

Mitt Romney - I believe that he's a liar and he doesn't speak to the people, he speaks whatever somebody has told him. I'm voting for a president, not an assistant that tells him to make decisions.

Don't forget a banker puppet as well.

Newt Gingrich - The absolute smartest man in the campaign.

"War with Iran!", that guy's a dumbass.

There's no doubt he would turn our country around and no doubt that he would clean house in washington dc.

"Clean house"? That guy is a member of the CFR, he's clearly corrupt. He made over a million dollars advising one of the major companies associated with the economic collapse. This is a man who said marijuana possession deserves the death penalty. That guy is not who you want to be running this country.

I don't think he would be bad for our country in any way.

Let me give you some ways. Wars would continue to bankrupt this country as thousands of soldiers and who knows how many innocent civilians are killed. The Constitution wouled continue to get trampled on with things like the TSA and NDAA and Patriot Act.

Rick Santorium - Out of all the candidates, I think Rick would make the best all-around president.

Are you typing this from an insane asylum?

He's able to talk to the people and understands what our country needs to get jump started.

What, like more wars, more unconstitutional legislation in the name of protecting us from the Al-CIAda boogeyman? Continuing the unwinnable drug war? Not talking about the fed? Read this.

So I see that you're pretty new to this website, with your media talking points and all