Atheists Make Great Christians

This may possibly seem to be the most ridiculous and controversial statement ever made but it has succumb to my general belief that Atheists are more Christian than any religious sect I have ever had the misfortune of knowing. Take a moment to put these words into perspective before jumping to any conclusions and think about what I am saying here.

Everyone is in the process of trying to make a name for themselves. Often this is a conscious effort but in most cases it just comes naturally because people are born with egotistical tendencies. The more I see a pretentious “Christian” attempting to defend their beliefs by arguing about the very things that God created to begin with, the more angered I become at these prideful yet ignorant ‘make a name for myself’ wanna-bes.

Don’t get me wrong. There is still one initial aspect of reality that I still find to be a valid debate and that is macro-evolution. However, anything else being debated on is simply ignorance being exercised as if it were a daily regiment.

Let’s start with Romans 1:20

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

This very verse alone is simply stating that all things that he created are based on the very laws he created to begin with. These laws I am referring to are the laws of nature and science. Scientists tend to find answers within nature (meaning that they seek answers from that which God created to begin with). Christians simply bypass the laws of nature. They seek answers by reading God’s words, skipping the whole laws of nature thing and going straight to visual outcome.
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Please note that that this article is based on my opinion and I am not trying to make some bold statement or accusation toward Christians or Atheists. It's just a title. Please comment on this only after reading the ENTIRE article... otherwise you may have missed my point. I only posted an excerpt here rather than the entire article in concordance with the forum rules.

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Some Christians are nice people, a lot are actually.

The Louder the Christian about being a Christian a Christian is, the less trustworthy, and utterly horrid, proportionate to their loudness they seem to be.

Whereas, most every Atheist I've known are the nices, most giving, most trustworthy people, always involved in charity work in some form or another.

In action and deed, most Atheist, and other non-religious types I know seem to follow in deed and action the principals of Christianity way closer and more naturally than pretty much every shiny Christian, especially the soldiers of the Lord types.

Anyway, yeah. That's just what I've seen in support of your own observations.

Typical Christian... Using only the Bible to support the argument of the Bible being correct. You literally accomplished nothing.

When you want a real response, when you want a real debate, give a real argument.

I think we need to dispense once and for all, with the idea that Atheism implies an incapacity for virtue. Nothing could be further from the truth; in fact, the most outspoken leaders of Atheism as a movement, seem to have far less tolerance for injustice than most religious people that I have seen.

With that said, it is true that while most of the charitable institutions that I have seen are run by Christians, I don't think I have ever seen any which were predominantly secular, or claimed to be. This is a shame, and I think Atheists could probably do much for their reputation, if some of them were to start one. I get the feeling that perhaps the reason why there are less of these, however, is merely due to a difference of perspective, rather than apathy as such. The Christian tends to feel more compelled to give a man a fish that he may be fed for a day, to quote the parable, while the Atheist considers it far more expedient that the same man be taught to fish for himself, that he may eat forever after.

So there is an encouragement to people to do for themselves, to the extent that they can. Personally, I am of the opinion that there is room in the world for both approaches, and that an exclusion of either, will tend to lead to a deficiency.

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I'm fairly certain that Atheists don't subscribe to bible dependance. In fact I believe most Atheists find the bible to be nothing more than a work of fiction. It is also safe to say that Atheists would find a theory derived from this work of fiction to be nothing more than one man's interpretation of it. It's definitely the last book you'd want to cite in order to convince an Atheist of your opinion.

Atheists don't follow the teachings of Christ. Hence they are not Christians. Although I do see quite a fair amount of conviction, faith and dogma in atheists these days.

that was good work....although i still don't agree I must compile .

that was good work....although i still don't agree I must compile .

Originally posted by nineix
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Some Christians are nice people, a lot are actually.

The Louder the Christian about being a Christian a Christian is, the less trustworthy, and utterly horrid, proportionate to their loudness they seem to be.

Whereas, most every Atheist I've known are the nices, most giving, most trustworthy people, always involved in charity work in some form or another.

In action and deed, most Atheist, and other non-religious types I know seem to follow in deed and action the principals of Christianity way closer and more naturally than pretty much every shiny Christian, especially the soldiers of the Lord types.

Anyway, yeah. That's just what I've seen in support of your own observations.

edit on 22-1-2012 by nineix because: (no reason given)

Nice observation and nicely put. I agree with you in that same respect. I am a Christian but most of my friends are... as they judge me less than my christian friends and lead very respectful lives. It's odd to think that my churchgoing friends do all the things they preach against and the Atheist friends let it be.

Originally posted by Josonic
Typical Christian... Using only the Bible to support the argument of the Bible being correct. You literally accomplished nothing.

When you want a real response, when you want a real debate, give a real argument.

You simply misinterpreted the word typical.... It relates to the stereotypical concept of a christian. Besides, how could I be putting down Christians as a whole when I am one? Your response is just an ATTACK based on your own misconceptions.

How do you figure that I use only the Bible to support a claim? Is there a specific science textbook that everyone has in EVERY home that I can use as a reference for them to look up. I don't think so.

It's "typical" that non-believers have an argument against the bible. Read it first... then have merit for your complaints. I am a Christian but as a Dr of Divinity I found it 100% necessary to read both sides of the story. I have even read the Satanic Bible because I do NOT fear my faith and when someone ever comes up to me and says "how can you debate Satanism if you never read OUR bible?".. I can honestly say... "I did". I studied divinity by way of viewing all sides. NOT to imply you are into satanism... just providing one major example is all.

I even served actively in Military Intelligence and know much that the government knows but deems the people too hostile and uncivil to socially absorb without turning things into fanatic issues. I mean seriously... look at the very forums you post in and the things people say and believe. do you really think it's wise to add something else to the mix when the basic truth is not even good enough to appease indifference at some minuscule level?

In other words... you don't know me enough to attack me based on what you "assume" that I know. I can not give reference to things you can not look up on your own but must give reference to at least something or my post is against the forum rules. Besides... The entire article was based on religion. Do you know of any science textbook anywhere that will provide quotes in that area? I honestly ask because I would love to see that for myself.

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
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I'm fairly certain that Atheists don't subscribe to bible dependance. In fact I believe most Atheists find the bible to be nothing more than a work of fiction. It is also safe to say that Atheists would find a theory derived from this work of fiction to be nothing more than one man's interpretation of it. It's definitely the last book you'd want to cite in order to convince an Atheist of your opinion.

Atheists don't follow the teachings of Christ. Hence they are not Christians. Although I do see quite a fair amount of conviction, faith and dogma in atheists these days.

I'm not sure if you are trying to debate my article because in my opinion you simply agreed with it. I think what would be great is if I were actually a better writer in order to make these things clearer. being a not so great writer is one of my downfalls. But your response is correct.... I guess i just didn't go into enough detail originally.

Originally posted by saroncan
that was good work....although i still don't agree I must compile .

I can respect your opinion and beliefs. I'm just glad you stated this so nicely. I do thank you for taking the time to read it though.

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My thoughts fall in line with Ninex. It is true that people who spend time examining their conscious and their role in the universe in spite of their particular religious beliefs are generally more aware and civil. Atheist who examine themselves and the concept of religion as it relates to themselves deciding to reject it are likely to be trustworthy and reliable. It is those who abandon religion out of convenience without examination and so they may behave unethically without guilt one must steer clear of.

Originally posted by newcovenant
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My thoughts fall in line with Ninex. It is true that people who spend time examining their conscious and their role in the universe in spite of their particular religious beliefs are generally more aware and civil. Atheist who examine themselves and the concept of religion as it relates to themselves deciding to reject it are likely to be trustworthy and reliable. It is those who abandon religion out of convenience without examination and so they may behave unethically without guilt one must steer clear of.

Well I agree but I think you may be confusing "Christianity" for "Religion" as the article was primarily about Christians and not so much a particular religious belief. But despite the confusion, I do agree with you.

In order to avoid confusion... yes, some people may inadvertently associate Christianity as religion but I'm not going to go into details on this because I fear I may actually be taking my own post off topic by doing that.... Plus to start talking about that topic will only incite a whole new debate that I would prefer to keep separate from this topic (and one that I'm positive has been shared countless times already on this site). I only mention that there is a difference in the two in my opinion for the purpose of not confusing my original article's concept. Perhaps I should have simply used the term "creationists" but the topic was not to be focused on just creation... otherwise I would have titled it "Atheists Make Great Creationists".

Most atheists I know preach Dawkins just as bad as Christians preach the word of god..they are just as ego centric, "I am right, YOU are wrong" as any bible thumper. They get so locked into the dogma of science they refuse to accept science doesn't have all the answers.

They are prideful and arguementative and pseudo intellectual and when you ask them to go into detail on the "science" that "proves" god doesn't exist, often their backgrounds in science are so weak, they get hemmed up. Then they get super angry and spout off about how religious people are weak and use religion as a crutch and they are superior because they do not need a crutch in life.

I have come across a few who are very tolerant and open minded and who feel no desire to debate religion and they are very accepting of those who are religious, without talking down to them or insulting them.....

But they have been the minority of atheists....

Overall, I get a giggle out of both groups because to me it matters not whether you are a atheist zealot or a Christian zealot......all are hilarious to me, because they are both so similar and yet they think they are two opposites IMO. They love to point fingers at each other when really they are just looking in the mirror and their finger is really pointing at themselves.

Originally posted by Mijamija
Most atheists I know preach Dawkins just as bad as Christians preach the word of god..they are just as ego centric, "I am right, YOU are wrong" as any bible thumper. They get so locked into the dogma of science they refuse to accept science doesn't have all the answers.

They are prideful and arguementative and pseudo intellectual and when you ask them to go into detail on the "science" that "proves" god doesn't exist, often their backgrounds in science are so weak, they get hemmed up. Then they get super angry and spout off about how religious people are weak and use religion as a crutch and they are superior because they do not need a crutch in life.

I have come across a few who are very tolerant and open minded and who feel no desire to debate religion and they are very accepting of those who are religious, without talking down to them or insulting them.....

But they have been the minority of atheists....

Overall, I get a giggle out of both groups because to me it matters not whether you are a atheist zealot or a Christian zealot......all are hilarious to me, because they are both so similar and yet they think they are two opposites IMO. They love to point fingers at each other when really they are just looking in the mirror and their finger is really pointing at themselves.

What I find most disturbing goes beyond that of a believer pointing fingers at a non-believer OR a non-believer pointing fingers at a believer. It's those who don't fall in either category and point fingers at the both of them. Forget single mirrors... We're talking about a whole fun-house here. Once you enter... it takes quite a bit of effort to not only get out of it; but to figure out exactly who it is you are pointing at along the way.

By the way.. before you think that was an attack on you... I mean to imply this about myself as well.

Originally posted by Mijamija
Most atheists I know preach Dawkins just as bad as Christians preach the word of god..they are just as ego centric, "I am right, YOU are wrong" as any bible thumper. They get so locked into the dogma of science they refuse to accept science doesn't have all the answers.

They are prideful and arguementative and pseudo intellectual and when you ask them to go into detail on the "science" that "proves" god doesn't exist, often their backgrounds in science are so weak, they get hemmed up. Then they get super angry and spout off about how religious people are weak and use religion as a crutch and they are superior because they do not need a crutch in life.

I have come across a few who are very tolerant and open minded and who feel no desire to debate religion and they are very accepting of those who are religious, without talking down to them or insulting them.....

But they have been the minority of atheists....

Overall, I get a giggle out of both groups because to me it matters not whether you are a atheist zealot or a Christian zealot......all are hilarious to me, because they are both so similar and yet they think they are two opposites IMO. They love to point fingers at each other when really they are just looking in the mirror and their finger is really pointing at themselves.

So basically everyone sucks except for you?

Originally posted by Josonic

Originally posted by Mijamija
Most atheists I know preach Dawkins just as bad as Christians preach the word of god..they are just as ego centric, "I am right, YOU are wrong" as any bible thumper. They get so locked into the dogma of science they refuse to accept science doesn't have all the answers.

They are prideful and arguementative and pseudo intellectual and when you ask them to go into detail on the "science" that "proves" god doesn't exist, often their backgrounds in science are so weak, they get hemmed up. Then they get super angry and spout off about how religious people are weak and use religion as a crutch and they are superior because they do not need a crutch in life.

I have come across a few who are very tolerant and open minded and who feel no desire to debate religion and they are very accepting of those who are religious, without talking down to them or insulting them.....

But they have been the minority of atheists....

Overall, I get a giggle out of both groups because to me it matters not whether you are a atheist zealot or a Christian zealot......all are hilarious to me, because they are both so similar and yet they think they are two opposites IMO. They love to point fingers at each other when really they are just looking in the mirror and their finger is really pointing at themselves.

So basically everyone sucks except for you?

This thread was going so well... but now a child walks into the room. I was so wrong to think that this would result in an intelligent adult conversation... but like all threads.. there the ones like you that have NOTHING intelligent to add to the conversation but simply come to make accusations or vent their lack of knowledge in the form of "Boo Hoo". So what's new?

Dont bother responding... once you walk in the room I figure it's time to just taking part in this thread. It's apparently a waste of time from here on out.

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Oh gosh no, sorry if I came off that way! I do not look down or think I am better than either group, but I am able to laugh at all of life's contradictions and paradoxes.....I find irony funny.

I have a million contradictions myself, we all do......that is kinda the point I was making. People need to look at themselves, and realize how ridiculous it is to play good cop/bad cop when really we are a combination of both.
Including me!