Examiner: Iowa Vote Fraud Official

reply to post by The_Phantom


That's not what I did at all.

I questioned using someone who uses that in their job description as a credible source for political news. There is a big difference.

If I didn't have an interest in conspiracies I never would have joined this site in the first place.

Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by The_Phantom

 

That's not what I did at all.

I questioned using someone who uses that in their job description as a credible source for political news. There is a big difference.

If I didn't have an interest in conspiracies I never would have joined this site in the first place.

So if it's not in the Mainstream Media then it shouldn't be trusted...

...because the mainstream media is the honest source of political news?

Everybody knows there is voting fraud already, it's not like it is breaking news.

How the *snip* do we have fair and legitimate voting for American Idol, but can't get government elections right?

This is beyond disgusting.

reply to post by The_Phantom


Again...you're putting words in my mouth and you're missing the point I'm trying to make.

I don't know how else to explain this to you...

Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by The_Phantom

 

Again...you're putting words in my mouth and you're missing the point I'm trying to make.

I don't know how else to explain this to you...

There was voting fraud, but you dismissed the source because it isn't a 'legitimate' place to get information...but that's strange to me because it has already been established that there was fraud. The final count was wrong and the politicians in the race decided what the outcome would be...we know that for a fact, that's fraud. We also know that Ron Paul wasn't in on the decision, so...

reply to post by The_Phantom


Correct...and I admitted several posts ago that the true results could not be determined and generally never are. I also reiterated that my only point of contention was with somehow being tied to Ron Paul.

Originally posted by Evil_Santa
How the *snip* do we have fair and legitimate voting for American Idol, but can't get government elections right?

This is beyond disgusting.

It's because any moron with a phone can vote for American Idol. Voting for government representation is filled with leaps and hurdles. The majority of the voters in the United States are older. They get their information feeding tube filled from fox news.

Now that is disgusting.

Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by The_Phantom

 

Correct...and I admitted several posts ago that the true results could not be determined and generally never are. I also reiterated that my only point of contention was with somehow being tied to Ron Paul.

The two candidates that beat him got to decide the final numbers and you don't think that effects Ron Paul?

reply to post by The_Phantom


It's not what cost him the election. He wasn't going to win Iowa anyway...regardless of the results between Romney and Santorum.

Oh....and you're taking that "second line" rule WAY too literally. (I see you fixed it)

Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by The_Phantom

 

Correct...and I admitted several posts ago that the true results could not be determined and generally never are. I also reiterated that my only point of contention was with somehow being tied to Ron Paul.

Of course its tied to Ron Paul. He's blacked out in the media and now there is vote fraud in an election?

I'm not sure why you're so confused by the conclusions that several other members have made. When the Iowa elections were going to be counted in a "secure, offsite location" everyone knew the votes would be tampered with.

My post

reply to post by litterbaux


They didn't tamper with them enough to affect Paul. You don't honestly believe Ron Paul got enough votes to win do you?

Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by The_Phantom

 

It's not what cost him the election. He wasn't going to win Iowa anyway...regardless of the results between Romney and Santorum.

Oh....and you're talking that "second line" rule WAY too literally.

You don't know that he wasn't going to win Iowa, the candidates got to decide their own numbers, clearly the people in charge don't care about the voting process at all.

But I'm sure they didn't mess with any of the other numbers. /sarcasm

reply to post by The_Phantom


Their own numbers on what...8 precincts? Hardly a dent in the grand scheme of things...and not nearly enough to change the outcome for Ron Paul.

Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by The_Phantom

 

Their own numbers on what...8 precincts? Hardly a dent in the grand scheme of things...and not nearly enough to change the outcome for Ron Paul.

You don't know that, that's complete speculation.

The point is that fraud did in fact happen, but you act like it's crazy to believe it actually effected anything.

reply to post by litterbaux


So in other words the solution to the problem is to have a call-in voting system where every US citizen is issued (with their voter registration) a 16 digit PIN to use to vote.

Now that problem is solved, let's move onto other things...

Edit: The back-end software which aggregates the votes would have to be an open-source system to prevent digital manipulation of the records.

reply to post by The_Phantom


It's not speculation. The only votes that are under contention here are those from the missing 8 precincts. Those votes...coincidentally enough...could not have won the race for Paul even if the vast majority of them were for him.

Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by The_Phantom

 

It's not speculation. The only votes that are under contention here are those from the missing 8 precincts. Those votes...coincidentally enough...could not have won the race for Paul even if the vast majority of them were for him.

There aren't three thousand potential voters in those 8 precincts?

Because if there are, for all we know they could have all gone for Ron Paul, you can't say for sure.

Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by The_Phantom

 

It's not speculation. The only votes that are under contention here are those from the missing 8 precincts. Those votes...coincidentally enough...could not have won the race for Paul even if the vast majority of them were for him.

I think you are badly missing the point.

The only precincts that we know about are the 8 menitoned.

In terms of media sources, the least reliable are the mainsteam, so your point about the OP not having credible sources is indeed a strange stance - unless you think the MSM networks tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth????

Bottom line is you have no idea whether voting fraud cost Ron Paul Iowa, and what the OP is doing is throwing some light on the possibility by directing us to a well researched article on the subject.

reply to post by The_Phantom


there's voting fraud where one wants there to be voting fraud. As the mod said, there is never going to be a "Perfect" accounting of any votes, for anything. stop trying to make it out like the world is out to get Ron Paul. maybe if Ron Paul had a D behind is name, he would get even more votes. who knows.

And to the guy who said American idol has accurate voting...