Hadron Collider And Unusual Earth Events Theory - Your help needed

This is something that has been on my mind for some time now. In 2008 folks were talking about how the Hadron Collider may create mini black holes on earth. Then the subject was dropped.

Now years later there are increasing reports of odd events such as rumbling sounds and weird spirals in the sky. And I have often wondered if one or even both events are related. And perhaps even more odd events on our planet that I may not have even thought about.

Since colliders have been in use for some time, an investigation of such scope is nearly impossible for me. And recently, the Hadron Collider stepped things up a notch. Could this be related to the increased activity we have seen? Those events may not even be related in the slightest bit. But I just wanted to throw my ideas out to the folks at ATS for more input.

These black hole sounds in this Nasa video are X-ray data from GRS 1915 105, translated into audible pulsations by MIT’s Edward Morgan.



Another thing I noticed is that the Hadron Collider threw a gasket with the Magnet Quench Incident around the same time as those experiments. This incident happened on 9-19-2008, shortly after the Hardon Collider was started up. Was it related to messing with something they shouldn't have? Now the Haron Collider was out for repairs for some time afterwards. 14 months to be exact. And its regained operation was annouced Nov. 23, 2009.

Next Stop: The Fourth Dimension, With Large Hadron Collider Experiments

We may have answers soon. On September 10, 2008, Tel Aviv University’s Prof. Erez Etzion from the School of Physics and Astronomy will be in the control room of the new CERN Large Hadron Collider (LHC) on the border of France and Switzerland when the LHC is first turned on. Scientists are calling it the largest experiment in the world. It’s taken about 6,000 researchers, $8 billion and ten years to build.

Further interdimensional and time travel experiments with the Hadron Colloder are continuing. Are they opening up a door that can't be shut? Will we find out too late?

Now the data that I am looking for... An upswing in unusual earth activities during and shortly after the short lived startup (and accident) at the Hadron Collider in Sept 2008. And an even more steadily increasing uptick after Nov 2009.

There are bigger and better things in store for The Hadron Collider. At the end of 2012. It will then be shut down for a year for upgrades to allow full energy operation (7 TeV per beam), with reopening planned for 2014. Should we be concerned? Will 2014 be the next "2012"?

The Large Hadron Collider reaches its maximum operating power

I think if it could have created a black hole, it would have. Ive also heard if it creates black holes they would be microscopic in nature. Im more worried about iran than cern right now.

reply to post by LonelyGuy


Spot on! They would be microscopic and would cease to exist almost immediately by evaporating due to Hawking radiation.

First Observation of Hawking Radiation

reply to post by elouina


A black hole is what we should be working towards.

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You are making a very intresting connection there, I always connected the strange sounds in the sky with UFO´s but now you mention LHC and all that talk about it creating a blackhole, I remember it well.. I also remember the day they turn it on for the first time.. pheww.

I remember reading about a doomsday theory alike yours back then, it was some scientist that claim it could create a small blackhole, that would sink into the middel of earth without anyone notice it, then it would grow bigger and at some point begin eating of psyical matter.. as in earth, and whuuuzzzzz earth will be sucked in along with us.

perhaps thats happening right now and makes those sounds and quakes..
well, lets see how it goes. I dont think it hurts to be consumed by a blackhole anyway

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Your hypothesis is flawed. If the LHC did create blackholes they would be annihilated instantly by anti-matter. Read Stephen hawkings theories on blackholes.

Having said that I will help the thread anyway I can.

ALS

Eta: I see someone best me to it.

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Yes, this is what I read. But I am wondering if this is a definate? Perhaps the black holes are going away but leaving something else in their place? They are discovering new things that defy modern physics on a regular basis these days.

Also, could they also be creating other phenomena , unrelated to black holes, that is unknown to us.

reply to post by ALOSTSOUL


Thank you, since this is about more than black holes. I never took a physics class, so am limited in my knowledge. Plus I was wondering if anyone here has noticed a trend in events after Nov 2009.

The connection to the increased events and the Hadron Collider has been sitting in the back of my mind for some time now. So if I am wrong, no big deal. If I am right, then we can correct a wrong before it is too late.

Originally posted by elouina
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Yes, this is what I read. But I am wondering if this is a definate? Perhaps the black holes are going away but leaving something else in their place? They are discovering new things that defy modern physics on a regular basis these days.

Also, could they also be creating other phenomena , unrelated to black holes, that is unknown to us.

Not definite, but the guys at MIT (and no doubt elsewhere) will be looking to prove or disprove Hawkings theory. It seems that MIT have stolen the march though.
As to creating something else, what kind of thing are you thinking of? Particle accelerators smash things to bits rather than create - a microscopic black hole being a theoretical exception. Bear in mind that CERN is only one of many particle accelerators around the world although it is the biggest.

Originally posted by Insomniac

As to creating something else, what kind of thing are you thinking of? Particle accelerators smash things to bits rather than create - a microscopic black hole being a theoretical exception. Bear in mind that CERN is only one of many particle accelerators around the world although it is the biggest.

Well, I am not certain as to "what else". It just seems to me that the more they ramp up the experiments at the Hadron Collider, the more unusual earth events we see. Has the scientific community been watching for such things? Or are they just playing with that thing like an Xmas toy until it breaks?

Also what about the Magnet Quench Incident? Did they do any follow up on anything that could result from that? Has anything of that magnitide ever happened before? Can you explain to me if it is 100% that it was over and done with once things cooled down? Like I said previously, I have a weak understanding of physics.

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If it's in the back of your mind to link such things as world sounds to the collider, I feel that other things such as possible nuclear explosions to set off volcanoes in order to lower global temp maybe (?) ought to be proven or refuted and added to the data, if possible. I read something about it earlier, but cannot put my finger on it at the moment, sorry.

Almost everything about black holes relies on speculation and extrapolation from sometimes inconsistent data. I would give anything if I could find the article I read recently about just that, but a quick Google search came up empty handed.

Don't let the fact I can't find that stop us from thinking. Black holes are mysterious, and are poorly understood at best. Perhaps you are onto something. How do we know, with certainty, that a microscopic black hole isn't the first or most important ingredient in creating a bridge between realities, dimensions, or maybe bigger black holes? How do we know that if intelligent beings were pointing their version of SETI at us trying to detect when civilizations crack the boundary where they can create mini black holes?

Something I have looked for and again been unable to locate is what level of real interest do world governments play or exhibit in the Hadron Collider? What I'm asking is could TPTB or some semblance of such be running covert experiments or even advanced activity or perhaps communication in a side room there somewhere? Of course, they wouldn't necessarily need a hidden location, I'm sure they could manage some unsupervised or unaccounted for time alone with the machine, but for what purpose?

Certainly anything I suggest here is nothing but speculation, but to your point, no respectable scientist, physicist, etc. should ever make blanket statements assuring the world the LHC could not be dangerous. It would be fair for them to proclaim it "shouldn't" or "might not" be dangerous, but the very nature of exploration into the depths of science they profess to be performing would be meaningless if they already knew the answers.

I remember hearing one time that a microscopic black hole would eventually consume the entire planet and beyond. I am unsure about this but it seems to make sense.???

Originally posted by elouina

Well, I am not certain as to "what else". It just seems to me that the more they ramp up the experiments at the Hadron Collider, the more unusual earth events we see. Has the scientific community been watching for such things? Or are they just playing with that thing like an Xmas toy until it breaks?

Also what about the Magnet Quench Incident? Did they do any follow up on anything that could result from that? Has anything of that magnitide ever happened before? Can you explain to me if it is 100% that it was over and done with once things cooled down? Like I said previously, I have a weak understanding of physics.

Well it's a matter of perception that has has been discussed endlessly on ATS, but personally, I've not seen any more unusual earth events recently... Let me rephrase that... I became aware of more when I joined ATS, but I've not noticed an increase since then.

As to whether the scientific community are watching for such things - I doubt it. Scientists work in their own narrow fields I doubt any would be consciously looking at the bigger picture.

Regarding the Magnet Quench Incident, I've found an article that explains what happened really well. It also explains what they did to repair the LHC and highlights other issues that they found requiring repair which has probably been done by now. Link below...

Q&A LHC

Love your avatar btw... Looks like one of my cats

reply to post by elouina


That collider scares the crap out me. I did hear the story about a black hole forming and going through the earth where it will grow. going to search for it.

As for the sound, I posted in one of the sound threads that I have been hearing it for about 8years, but not in the air, more in the earth....when I listened to that sound of the black hole, I couldn't believe it.....that is what I have been hearing, but with out the high pitched part. Wow.

press.web.cern.ch...

this arrival from CERN itself doesn't make me feel any better.


Vacuum bubbles

There have been speculations that the Universe is not in its most stable configuration, and that perturbations caused by the LHC could tip it into a more stable state, called a vacuum bubble, in which we could not exist. If the LHC could do this, then so could cosmic-ray collisions. Since such vacuum bubbles have not been produced anywhere in the visible Universe, they will not be made by the LHC.


and there are more scary scenarios in the article.

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Just wanted to mention that I loved both your replies. Thank you.

But while looking for unsual phenomena that may be related to the LHC, I found this April fools joke. I can remember reading this on ATS back then, and getting a good chuckle.

Man arrested at Large Hadron Collider claims he's from the future

Mr Cole was taken to a secure mental health facility in Geneva but later disappeared from his cell. Police are baffled, but not that bothered.

Anyways, I am still searching for anything that may stand out.

www.time.com...


Here's another article from 2008

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It will then be shut down for a year for upgrades to allow full energy operation (7 TeV per beam), with reopening planned for 2014. Should we be concerned? Will 2014 be the next "2012"?

And so it begins

Originally posted by timetothink
www.time.com...


Here's another article from 2008

Good find... I particularly liked this paragraph, it really made me laugh...

But it's not just physicists whose work provokes strong and often irrational fear, according to Robin Williams, director of the Institute for the Study of Science, Technology and Innovation at the University of Edinburgh. He points out that the millennial anxiety about scientific and technological breakthroughs predates particle physics. When the locomotive was first conceived, for example, even some engineers predicted catastrophe resulting from the human body's inability to withstand the strains of high-speed travel. The word vaccine comes from the Latin word for cow, vacca — and the first vaccinations, against smallpox, used bovine ingredients, leading to widespread fear that the injections would turn humans into cows.