Six parallel lines across the sun this morning?

Just thought it was curious and wanted to post the pictures I took this morning on my way to class. I know the difference bewteen contrails and chemtrails and took a seperate photo to contrast the two. The location is about 15-20 mins outside of Philadelphia. Around 11 o'clock.

What I would see as chemtrails.



What I would see as contrails. First picture to the left of this.



I wanted to get your opinions, comments, anything that comes to mind. I just see a difference between the two.

Probably just contrails, illuminated by the sun, since it behind them.

Most likely a heavy flight path where a lot of planes are flying through. They are contrails, you can see them fade away as the ice that forms the contrail melts.

well the bottom one is contrails...you can tell...it evaporates straight away....chemtrails like i see here in england linger for ages.....

these images are quite lame....tbh.

the image of the sun ....looks like scratches in your car window

peace

Given that chemtrails are make believe, I can say with no doubt that what you have photographed is contrails illuminated by the sun.

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But wouldn't the trail on the sceond one last for at least a little bit longer then a minute or two. The lines in the first picture had been there for around 45 mins already.

Originally posted by Brandon88
Just thought it was curious and wanted to post the pictures I took this morning on my way to class. I know the difference bewteen contrails and chemtrails and took a seperate photo to contrast the two.

They both show contrails - if you know what they look like (and presumably therefore that they can persist for hours but on other occassions dissipate quickly - all depending on atmospheric conditions) what makes you think one of them is a chemtrail?

For info: www.airspacemag.com...

Originally posted by Brandon88
I know the difference bewteen contrails and chemtrails and took a seperate photo to contrast the two

Just out of curiosity, how can you tell anything about what you see at 20-35,000 feet in the air just by looking at it?

I think your two very different photos, taken at different times, show the same thing. Man made clouds. Or as those pesky scientists call them, contrails.

I would be very interested in how to determine the chemical makeup of a thermal mass with the naked eye from several miles away. That is like a superpower or something. You need a cape.

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Im not saying they are im just asking. I'll go by whatever you all tell me thats why I asked.

Originally posted by woogleuk
Given that chemtrails are make believe,

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if they are make believe...then why are there patents?




iv seen two small planes..... all morning.... criss crossing...doing daring maneuvers at each other...looked like they were haveing fun....but they left a massive "grid" behind which lingered in the sun for hours.....

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Read the link I posted. There is a lot of rubbish on the internet about so-called chemtrails - which are simply persistent contrails.

But no harm in asking, it's how we learn

Originally posted by thePharaoh
well the bottom one is contrails...you can tell...it evaporates straight away....chemtrails like i see here in england linger for ages.....

these images are quite lame....tbh.

the image of the sun ....looks like scratches in your car window

peace

edit on 20-1-2012 by thePharaoh because: (no reason given)

so you are claiming that any persistent line in the sky is without question a chemtrail?

Please clarify that for me.

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It's not my car and its through the window so the sun's brightness doesn't blow my phone's camera sensor. Just got it wouldn't wanna ruin it already.

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The photos are 2 mins apart at most it was from the time I just got out of the car till I was at the courtyard to my college.

reply to post by Brandon88


How is it possible that one photo shows a cloud filled sky and another shows a sky with no cloud cover at all?

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Assuming the OP is correct, then I'd guess one photo looking east, the other looking west. With a weather front a few hundred miles away out to the east (hence the high level cirrus)

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Different parts of the sky. First ones east other ones taking an estimate on this one around southwest.

reply to post by Brandon88


Seeing as how you have a cloud covered sky in one area, and a cloudless sky in another, doesn't it seem possible that planes flying at the same altitude of the clouds (in the cloud covered area) might leave persistent contrails, and the plane flying in the clear blue sky might not leave any? This is the science part that we keep trying to educate people on. When conditions are right for cloud formation, expect persistent contrails, when conditions are not right for cloud formation, expect none. Persistent Contrails preceding cloud formations usually indicates a large shift in the weather pattern. I was trying to get you to give enough information to at least force you to think about the science aspect. Have a nice day and don't fear clouds.

This business about people saying that chemtrails are "make believe" really chaps my hide.

I invite anybody to come on down to where I live on a day when a weather front is expected to pass through. The chemtrail jets come out of New Mexico (either Holloman AFB by Alamagordo, or the AFB up by Clovis), they leave incredibly long chemtrails that criss-cross the sky and those hang there, even on warm days.

I have witnessed those chemtrail planes spraying their garbage, and seen other jets that were truly commercial airliners, in the same patch of sky, at the same time. There is nothing out here but prairie, and I can see 360 degrees in all directions, far off into the distance. The passenger jets leave contrails which evaporate after a while, the chemtrail jets leave a very suspicious trail which hangs in the air and behaves unlike a cloud, or ice crystals, or whatever you want to call it.

Explain to me, oh wise science worshipers, how it is that one jet leaves a contrail which evaporates, and the others leave a bunch of crap in the sky which turns milky and coats the sky? How can it be that the higher flying jets contrails evaporate (if they're higher, they should be more prone to form ice crystals), and the lower flying ones go all over the sky (not a standard flight pattern) and leave a mess? It is a desert out here, the humidity is usually less than 20% even on days when a storm is approaching.

I know what I have seen, and I know when I can expect those aircrappers because I watch the weather reports. Our weather is being manipulated, and God knows what else.

Come on out to the desert southwest, where the air is incredibly dry, and watch those suckers in action, especially when they shoot out chemtrails in a dotted pattern, then you will know they are real.

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You say you want some science answers? There are many, many places to learn the science --- and the links to many of them have been provided, numerous times, even here on ATS.

Now, again, the same misconception that is made is repeated, because when one says it's "dry", they are only referring to the conditions on the surface that they feel, or report:

Come on out to the desert southwest, where the air is incredibly dry...

West Texas, eh?

If you go here:

University of Wyoming atmospheric soundings

....you can view any number of reports from the radiosonde readings (weather balloons). Two to look at in the West Texas area are Midland-Odessa (MAF) and El Paso (EPZ).

You can look at the column showing relative humidity, for example, and see the way it varies greatly with changes in altitude.

SO, just saying it's "dry" (low humidity) on the ground at your location has no bearing on conditions miles above you.


AND, the various airplanes that sometimes leave persistent contrails, while others leave short-lived contrails, (even on the same day) is simply due to their being at different altitudes, and/or different areas (regions) in the atmosphere.