Democrats Are the Ones Pushing Web Censorship

Democrats Are the Ones Pushing Web Censorship!

Far and away, the top beneficiary in the Senate from interest groups that support PIPA is Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), who’s taken in just short of a million dollars from those groups, according to data from OpenSecrets.org. She’s also the most recent Senator to co-sponsor PIPA, adding her name to the list on Dec. 12. The runner-up is Sen. Al Franken (D-MN), who’s taken $777,383 from PIPA-supporting interest groups, and has co-sponsored the bill since May 2011.

Al Franken? The people's Senator? Tell me it ain't so Al.

In fact, a list of the top 20 beneficiaries of special interest money in favor of PIPA reads like a list of the Senate’s most influential Democrats: Sen. Kristen Gillibrand (D-NY) in third; Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) in fourth; Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) in fifth; Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), the bill’s primary sponsor, in sixth; Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) in seventh; Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) in eighth; Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) in ninth; and Sen. Michael Bennet (D-CO) in tenth.

Gee! I wonder how THEY will vote....?

This from Raw Story
Senate Democrats Hold Fast while Republicans bail

That may be due to the total sum donated to Democrats on the top 20 list: groups supporting PIPA have given over $7,319,983 to the 18 Democrats on the top 20 list, according to a Raw Story analysis. By contrast, those same Democrats have only taken in $807,502 from groups opposing the legislation.

So, the question is, who represents the people on this issue, the Democrats or the Republicans?

Rest assured they both want it.

The republicans are just trying to appeal to populists for election purposes.

Don't start this. I'm serious. Don't. It's the PRIVATE sector that's pushing this. Don't cut this up into party bull#. Say anything else that you want, but do not turn this into something political when it obviously is not. This about you versus money and big business. Keep the party bull# out of it, because beyond SOPA and PIPA, we have things like ACTA that are also in question, and other "anti piracy laws" that are wholly bi- partisan.

Cut the #, seriously. Wake up, and stop playing the damn political games.

Thank you very much, and have a good day.

Yes, I'm almost 100% positive that some of the corporate personhoods must be registered (read in the pockets of some) Democrats. There is but one party in this corporment. One party, with liberty and justice and power for the ones with money.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Rest assured they both want it.

The republicans are just trying to appeal to populists for election purposes.

Maybe they both want it, but the point is its only getting pushed right now because of the Democrats. You might think they would focus on jobs, the budget, the deficit, border security... but no instead we get this.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere

Yes, the majority of both parties MAY want it, and I don't trust EITHER party. That is not the point.
We need to know who the enemy is, the PEOPLE behind the push. In THIS case, it is the powerful Democrats that are on the take.

reply to post by TheOneElectric

Yes, the private sector is attempting to buy the vote as usual, but on this issue, the DEMOCRATS are STILL on the take. The Republicans are bailing.

reply to post by jjkenobi


This is jobs, budget, deficit and security.

Anything that increases the size and scope of the police state makes for LE and medical jobs that increase the printing of fiat currency.

The end goal to solve our current economic woes is a wealthy corprotacracy sitting on top of a population that is split about 50% felons and 30% law enforcement and 20% medical.

Like a cattle ranch. One owner, a few hands to keep the herd in line and a vet to vaccinate every once in a while.

Democrats are worried they may lose the big money Hollywood puts into their campaign warchests. Some in Hollywood are already threatening Obama for his role in opposing the legislation.

Hollywood threatens Obama over SOPA

If you see the White House invaded by aliens, blown up by laser beams or bombed by terrorists in any of the big summer blockbusters this year, consider it a subtle hint to the Oval Office by way of Hollywood.

After US President Barack Obama demanded revamped provisions in the controversial Stop Online Piracy Act, or SOPA, Los Angeles film executives are rescinding their support of the commander-in-chief.

While Hollywood hot-shots were in the past major contributors to the 2008 campaign for Barack Obama, movie execs are heated up over the presidents halting of SOPA. On the West Coast, filmmakers and affiliated are insisting that the move is a major blow to the movie industry and it will only further encourage an Internet already ripe with pirated motion pictures.

RT

If anyone else out there put out a depiction of the President getting blown up like that, the Secret Service would be all over them but, Hollywood has creative licence to threaten him all they want.

reply to post by FortAnthem

Where is the pic of Obama getting blown up.
If it was at the link, it is gone now.
But yes, this is Hollywood against the rest of us, and the Democrats are currently playing ball.

I think that its good to get a list of all supporting the bill and contact their rep..dem or rep, to cry out against it.

Is it a democrat issue? nope..not even remotely. are there some corrupt idiots in the dem party? sure..both parties. but its bipartisan for and against.

If you want to go about the whole partisan thing, then fine..

Lamar Seeligson Smith (born November 19, 1947) is the U.S. Representative for Texas's 21st congressional district, serving since 1987. The district includes most of the wealthier sections of San Antonio and Austin, as well as nearly all of the Texas Hill Country. He introduced the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA).

Source
A texas republican started all this nonsense

But, its bipartisan...again, if you want it to be a partisan, then the republicans have the most blood on their hands here..they started this monster If there was no reps, there would be no sopa..you can only push what is there, and the reps put it there (and many are pushing for it)
Rupert Murdoch (Fox News anyone?) has this on his stance:

Considers sites such as Wikipedia, and Google as 'theft,' posting on Twitter, "Piracy leader is Google who streams movies free, sells advts around them. No wonder pouring millions into lobbying."

Yes, shut down these theft sites like wiki, twitter, google, etc...Master Murdoch has demanded it (nothing like an Australian telling America to shut down most of our websites because it bugs him)

Conservative? lulz

So ya, lets keep this in the bipartisan ring, else your going to end up wishing you didn't push this false point

Luckily Romney and Obama both oppose the bill, so it would be vetoed no matter what even if it did pass through house/senate..which is unlikely given the s---storm that has hit them in the past couple days.


Lets remember who the real enemy is here
Here is a list of companies that are for SOPA:
URL Linky thing
So, boycott them, or if you are in a position, tell them to back off

This is not left V right, its corporatism V citizens

upon glancing at the threads comments, I am now fully convinced many in the politics forums have absolutely no care to know the truth...simple pure brainwashed individuals monkeyslapping their keyboard and fueling dishonest chatter for ideological purposes only.

Must suck to have no principles is my only response..meh, you lot have to look in the mirror and see the shell and empty vacant selves you have become.

proud to be an american my arse..disgusting display..but it is not shocking..its expected.

reply to post by SaturnFX

It was noted in the link in the OP, that yes, a Republican sponsored the bill. But, the Democrats are keeping it alive.
IF it were Republicans, I would call them out to. The information is valuable, because it reveals WHO is playing this game, and WHY.
Money and Hollywood and a powerful Democratic base.

This could turn into a bloodbath and seriously hurt the Democrats.
Democrats should be concerned that their party may align themselves with a VERY unpopular position because of a VERY powerful group in Hollywood.
SaturnFX, you are missing the point of this thread. If you are a Democrat, you may want to follow this closely.

Originally posted by SurrealisticPillow
reply to post by FortAnthem

 

Where is the pic of Obama getting blown up.

They haven't done anything YET but, if you see something like this in a Hollywood movie that comes out this summer, it just may be their way of saying they have it out for Obama for not giving them their way.




Makes you wonder if they weren't pissed at Clinton for some reason when that pic came out.

reply to post by FortAnthem

It is funny in a way, but do you remember all of the unflattering Obama posters? The Nazi Obama, etc.
We may see a more sophisticated attack than that come from Hollywood. Who would that help? RP?

Originally posted by SurrealisticPillow
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

It was noted in the link in the OP, that yes, a Republican sponsored the bill. But, the Democrats are keeping it alive.
IF it were Republicans, I would call them out to. The information is valuable, because it reveals WHO is playing this game, and WHY.
Money and Hollywood and a powerful Democratic base.

A single democrat still for the bill is too many
A single republican still for the bill is too many

I am not against new clever methods to stop piracy mind you.

Hollywood? no...the media in general is pushing, as they are the biggest sponsors of this..who they purchase is almost beside the point (although a discussion on influence of the corporations towards politicians is certainly a worthy discussion to have).

Point is, this is not a democratic ideal..its actually very anti-liberal/pro corporatism. But its becoming increasingly difficult to figure out the difference between corporatism and government.

I am curious how the supreme court decision to make corporations people and pave the way for superpacs and such plays into this. The biggest corporations runs the programming.

But anyhow, best to just keep contacting your local statesmen and send out emails to others to get awareness of what this bill truely means
that lovely stance by Rupert should be stapled to every email so people open their eyes.

There is a pledge all 4 candidates for the republicans took that is meant to clamp down on contraception. does this mean the republican ideals = no condoms, or is it just some idiot politicians signing something to further a single instance of their career without considering the overarching consequences. I don't associate the republicans as being anti-condom and birth control pill, but if all it takes is some politicians to be pushing it, then I guess thats what their party is for

Anyhow, moot point...far more productive thread is to discuss how to boycott the companies without losing your standard of living.

reply to post by SaturnFX

I already do that, boycott the companies.
That would make a great thread though, a "who's who" of companies behind all of this.

Originally posted by SurrealisticPillow
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

I already do that, boycott the companies.
That would make a great thread though, a "who's who" of companies behind all of this.

Problem is, the corporations pushing this are so vast that it would be quite difficult to go without giving them money somehow...finding alternatives can work in some areas, but not all..

So, I reckon the top 5 are the ones to aim at.

Some of them don't even make sense though. For instance, Dollar General...what the hell are they tossing support in for? they aren't trying to sell movies or music..they sell junk for a buck..yet for some reason they are supporting it...
Some are obvious of course...media giants and whatnot, but its the retail things that blow my mind (especially the ones that don't sell movies, music, etc...again, dollar general..wtf)

I suspect there are only a handful of corporations truely for this, and they are pushing other smaller companies to sign on to the bill for inflated numbers. nothing like giving the ceo of some random company a couple hundred k to sign a piece of paper.

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Just realized, many of these companies may not be part of the process..for instance, EA Games is a supporter, however, they would naturally be against piracy and rightly so..but did they intend for the bill being discussed to be such a draconian style bill? As a software company, yes, they must be against piracy as it effects them directly, but do they really have any influence on how its worded?
I think before boycotting, its good to figure out how much they had in terms of influencing the wording of the bill.