Youtube's lunar tower madness by saintsdola!

Anyone questioning the authenticity of my lunar tower footage you can access my channel on you tube and look at my other footage if you believe its faked. Im not pushing the channel, just trying to prove that this wasnt a prank.


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I have also seen the tower through my telescope. I believe its something unusual looking but until we go up their and get super high res images, could be a rock outcrop. There are just too many variables.

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how were you able to film the 'tower" was it through a telescope? if yes..then what was the model..thanks

im interested in the footage,i saw it a couple of days ago but i didnt have time to see if you described how you managed to "film" the moon so upclose..

very interesting

Originally posted by ooYODAoo
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how were you able to film the 'tower" was it through a telescope? if yes..then what was the model..thanks

im interested in the footage,i saw it a couple of days ago but i didnt have time to see if you described how you managed to "film" the moon so upclose..

very interesting

With a telescope and camcorder. I have the setup posted on my toutube channel

Originally posted by AaronWilson
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I have also seen the tower through my telescope. I believe its something unusual looking but until we go up their and get super high res images, could be a rock outcrop. There are just too many variables.

Yeah and we all know the only ones capable of going up there are the government funded groups. And you know they have a history of editing footage and photos

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So many questions, so much more space to type them than on YouTube!

Do you have any sense of the scale of what you are looking at, in terms of its width (based on my watching of the video, and the highlight put around the alleged "tower")? In order for it to be that prominent, from this distance, and scaled to the rest of the Moon?


Do you also realize the effects of light and shadow that can occur at the Moon's terminator? Also, the effects of the Earth's atmospheric distortions, when the optimum viewing conditions are not present?

Finally, is it true that this alleged "tower" is (or was) only seen briefly, just as the terminator on the Moon happens to hit that spot?

In other words, if you allow the Moon to rotate for another few hours, is the alleged "tower" still there?

(You see, must remember, that the Moon takes about Earth 28 days to complete one revolution on its axis. So, a few hours later, and the alleged "tower" would still be in view, if it were there, and the lighting conditions would eliminate the potential for the "light and shadow" phenomenon that is causing this [likely] optical illusion).


Oh and last: Isn't it amazing that NO other amateur astronomers (of which there are tons) have seen this? Nor publicly (and privately) funded Planetariums? Etc.......

Originally posted by ProudBird
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So many questions, so much more space to type them than on YouTube!

Do you have any sense of the scale of what you are looking at, in terms of its width (based on my watching of the video, and the highlight put around the alleged "tower")? In order for it to be that prominent, from this distance, and scaled to the rest of the Moon?


Do you also realize the effects of light and shadow that can occur at the Moon's terminator? Also, the effects of the Earth's atmospheric distortions, when the optimum viewing conditions are not present?

Finally, is it true that this alleged "tower" is (or was) only seen briefly, just as the terminator on the Moon happens to hit that spot?

In other words, if you allow the Moon to rotate for another few hours, is the alleged "tower" still there?

(You see, must remember, that the Moon takes about Earth 28 days to complete one revolution on its axis. So, a few hours later, and the alleged "tower" would still be in view, if it were there, and the lighting conditions would eliminate the potential for the "light and shadow" phenomenon that is causing this [likely] optical illusion).


Oh and last: Isn't it amazing that NO other amateur astronomers (of which there are tons) have seen this? Nor publicly (and privately) funded Planetariums? Etc.......

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Its been posted by other astronomers, you havent searched. If you look at my other videos, light and shadow doesnt hold water. Look at these uniform structures

at 37 second mark

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Originally posted by saintsdola
Anyone questioning the authenticity of my lunar tower footage you can access my channel on you tube and look at my other footage if you believe its faked. Im not pushing the channel, just trying to prove that this wasnt a prank.


www.youtube.com...

S+F for you my friend for giving us such great footage of the moon . Please keep uploading some new videos, as you never know what might be found .

Originally posted by mcdgray129

Originally posted by saintsdola
Anyone questioning the authenticity of my lunar tower footage you can access my channel on you tube and look at my other footage if you believe its faked. Im not pushing the channel, just trying to prove that this wasnt a prank.


www.youtube.com...

S+F for you my friend for giving us such great footage of the moon

. Please keep uploading some new videos, as you never know what might be found

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Thanks, i will try my best, the weather and the phase of the moon is bad right now. Once the weather clears and the moon rises at a decent time, i will post more footage

It's tower madness month on ATS/youtube



Interesting videos, thanks for sharing.

Originally posted by Popular
It's tower madness month on ATS/youtube

Watch this become the new Elenin.

Interesting videos, thanks for sharing.

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LOL...Once the moon gets close to that phase again i will re-shoot that area and show the tower once again

If anyone on Earth built that I wonder why the hell they would build it so that it gets skylined against the horizon of the moon so that we all can spot it with a telescope? I would imagine they would be more circumspect than that.

Originally posted by Mkoll
If anyone on Earth built that I wonder why the hell they would build it so that it gets skylined against the horizon of the moon so that we all can spot it with a telescope? I would imagine they would be more circumspect than that.

They dont care if people see it, because they will always deny it until the time is right. They deny everything until they know they people can handle it. I can guarantedd NASA has live closeup footage of the moon, but wont release it to the public, until they know that we are ready. Amateur footage like this one of mine will always be denied, because they cant touch it, or see it in complete detail. No one without government assistance will ever know the complete truth. Until then we have to rely on amateurs to give us videos like this to get our minds and telescopes pointed at the moon.

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(And in all the rest).....you are seeing shadows and light playing on the Lunar surface irregularities. In the other thread, you referenced another of your videos, about 1:17 in total length (not the one above) but coincidentally also at the 37 second mark, of another tower (you claimed)....yet this time the view was obviously more straight on, top-down, than on the Moon's "horizon" or edge, as viewed from here on Earth, which is what is seen in the main video being discussed.


It's been mentioned countless times before, and relates to many of these sorts of claims....going back to that infamous giant "face" on Mars, from the 1970s images:

It is a type of PAREIDOLIA. Although, usually pareidolia is associated with seeing human shapes in random images, this same principle applies here.


This region being discussed that was filmed is near the Southern hemisphere of the Moon.....it is a simple matter, then, to scour the images from the LROC Image Browser and other LROC resources to see that there is, indeed, no "tower" at that location.

Here, from that same site, is the Equidistant Cylindrical Map Projection of the entire Moon's photographed surface.......the spherical surface spread out as if it were rolled onto a cylinder, then unrolled flat. You can use the Zoom and Slew controls for more detail.

Here, for a visualization of what one could see if you were in space, looking "up" at the Moon's South Pole region, from "below" it, the Orthographic (South Pole) map. Same deal with the Zoom/Slew controls.

Those are just for starters.......since this Forum is about "Space Exploration", where the subjects are, and I quote: "Space-Based Science and Discussion. Exploring the Universe."


The sorts of discussions about "towers" on the Moon, considering the sorts of 'evidence' presented so far, seem to be more appropriately relegated to such Forums as, perhaps, "Highly Speculative", or "Gray Area"......

saintsdola it is a wast of time trying to educate some people. Galileo looked through his telescope and was placed under house arrest for saying the moon had mountains and valleys and the earth was not the center of he universe. Those very same people who wanted to hide the truth then are still here today on this forum to be specific. Don't worry about them as more information comes out and more videos like yours are shown and posted it pushes these guys to the back of the bus. 1986 2 guys showed cold fusion worked and were ridiculed 2012 Rossi hows it works and now NASA comes out and says oh yeah we confirm and actually have a device similar to Rossi please buy ours. Bob Lazar said he worked for S4 and UFO's used element 115 he was labeled a crack pot scientist said his story was crap because element 115 did not exist 15yrs later element 115 is discovered and added to the periodic table of the elements. So keep up the good work and know we have never been alone.

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Sorry, but to compare the subject of this thread to Galileo??

It is rather silly. Not a proper analogy, at all....based on the available information that is easy to research......we do not live in the Dark Ages, and science is not being strangled at the whim of a "church" and quaint mythical beliefs.

15yrs later element 115 is discovered and added to the periodic table of the elements.

115 ("Ununpentium") was not "discovered"....it was artificially induced in the lab.....a few atoms at a time, and in various isotope combinations......but, it decays within a second or so.

Let's check facts, and toss aside the hyperbole

It was first observed in 2003 and about 50 atoms of ununpentium have been synthesized to date, with about 25 direct decays of the parent element having been detected. Four consecutive isotopes are currently known, 287–290Uup, with 289Uup having the longest measured half-life of ~200 ms.

Still, even Element 116 has also been produced artificially.....this is the nature of the experiments in particle physics, to see what's "possible" to achieve.

In fact, up to number 118 have been achieved......these belong to a category known as "transuranium elements".

These include (so far) numbers from 93 to 118.

(From same source above):

Heavy transuranic elements are difficult and expensive to produce, and their prices go up rapidly with atomic number. As of 2008, weapons-grade plutonium cost around $4,000/gram, and californium cost $60,000,000/gram.

So, let's not be overly congratulatory just yet, eh?

Originally posted by ProudBird
Oh and last: Isn't it amazing that NO other amateur astronomers (of which there are tons) have seen this? Nor publicly (and privately) funded Planetariums? Etc.......

It's funny because I just had a guy randomly start commenting out of the blue on one of my old moon videos insisting that a small mountain range that was just barely sticking up into the sunlight on the lunar terminator was, in fact, a "space station." I dragged out the old lunar atlas and properly identified it as a mountain range between Eddington crater and Biggs crater, yet he still tried to insist there was something mysterious about it. I look at the OP's videos and see nothing but normal lunar geography, but what I think he's calling a "tower" is pretty close to resolution limit of the image due to the atmosphere etc. Saints do you have a stacked image with the "tower" labeled?

My advice: Fix the cam (no movement), use tracking and record footage for X secs./mins. and than stack the frames. That shoold clear up the atmospheric distortion quite a bit

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My advice: Fix the cam (no movement), use tracking and record footage for X secs./mins. and than stack the frames. That shoold clear up the atmospheric distortion quite a bit

Don't be ridiculous. Even if he knew what that meant, it would make the tower disappear.

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If anyone on Earth built that I wonder why the hell they would build it so that it gets skylined against the horizon of the moon so that we all can spot it with a telescope?

Inadvertently you hit the nail on the head. Just in the wrong assumption.
It’s not highlighted against the horizon.
It’s highlighted because of the daylight vs nighttime line. Or the edge of ‘dusk’ on the Moon.
A ridge that is higher than its surroundings will remain in sun shine longer than the valleys around it.
We see this ridge poking up out of the darkness.

Plus there are thousands of amateur astronomers around the world not beholding to NASA or the major powers. Many with equipment that rivals the pros of a few decades ago.