Ah ha! Iran: Not about the Nukes, its about the Rods!

Here's the takeaway that says it all:

You see folks, this is not about IRAN building nukes, its about IRAN providing nuclear energy and becoming a major player in that market. This planned war is about killing off the competition!

>> I still don't think it's going to come to war. Iran has Chinese interests in it's oil and Russian in it's Uranium. The US and Israel are playing a game of chicken. It's hard to be sure it isn't the same OLD game of chicken that has kept theocrats in power.

Canada has been wanting to put in a gas pipeline and sell to the USA and put thousand and thousands of people to work. Guess who disapproved it? Obama! So now Canada is going to sell it to China. It's nice to know our government is working so hard in creating jobs ain't it?

Things are becoming more and more clear. It seems it's all about War and instilling fear into the people. It's about creating a boogieman, so you're all quickly willing to sign off on your freedom for a false sense of security. Drawing everybody in on the notion that Iran is going to use their nuclear technology to terrorize the world. The USA always talks about how they would like to see the middle eastern country's have more democracy and be more independent. However, on the other-hand they can't develop nuclear power plants to grow their economy and achieve that goal?

So now all eyes are being focused on Iran. My question, how long will it take for the next false flag to happen? A false flag Involving nuclear plants being blown up by supposed terrorist? Or nuclear bombs being dropped on our heads in the middle of the night while we sleep?

Follow the money indeed!

Great post... We mustn't forget that everything has to be made... And nobody likes competition unless you're the customer...

Also... In response to some other posts... Nuclear power IS safe... Especially in this day and age with advances in computer technology- The problem is unsafe construction, lax safety standards, lack of emergency containment, and inappropriate reactor locations.

Either that or release secret energy technologies as long as it's safer than the alternative.

Originally posted by sean
Canada has been wanting to put in a gas pipeline and sell to the USA and put thousand and thousands of people to work. Guess who disapproved it? Obama! So now Canada is going to sell it to China. It's nice to know our government is working so hard in creating jobs ain't it?

Things are becoming more and more clear. It seems it's all about War and instilling fear into the people. It's about creating a boogieman, so you're all quickly willing to sign off on your freedom for a false sense of security. Drawing everybody in on the notion that Iran is going to use their nuclear technology to terrorize the world. The USA always talks about how they would like to see the middle eastern country's have more democracy and be more independent. However, on the other-hand they can't develop nuclear power plants to grow their economy and achieve that goal?

So now all eyes are being focused on Iran. My question, how long will it take for the next false flag to happen? A false flag Involving nuclear plants being blown up by supposed terrorist? Or nuclear bombs being dropped on our heads in the middle of the night while we sleep?

You have several good points and there is no doubt that it is rediculous for the United States...the most Tech. Advanced Nation on the face of the planet to still be using oil and burning coal. I am fairly certain...through information from my sometimes job...that a form of Low Temp. Fusion has been developed...and is being kept on the shelve as Big Oil is paying off Politicians. The fact that we still use and internal combustion engine is rediculous. Split Infinity

Thanks for the info, now it make sense about "China energy investment with Iran", coz I was wondering about what "kind of energy" ? Oil is oil, electric export - huh ?, so it kinda fall in place a bit.
If the news are true - "Ahmadinejad announcing it", everything will fall into place.

I just dont like nuclear energy at all, no matter who own it, thats the bad part about it.
I dont want transparent paper like skin great grandchild and Fukushima blowing its wind, dang.
Dang stupid humans, they warned us about it already.

p/s: Anyone have space ship capable of self sustaining life support ? Can my family take a hike ? Seriously

I am not sure how this helps anything .... they could very very very easily ... do both.

I mean you just proved even FURTHER that Iran will have advanced Nuclear capabilities and they want it. They can sell nuclear Rods all day long. They still have Nuclear capability and at any moment it gets pissed at the US they send a couple of terrorist to set off a Dirty Bomb.

I'm glad this thread was created, its an excellent OP, and I think this is the most viable hypothesis out there, at least the most realistic, based on the nature of americas previous endeavours of globailisation around the world.

I am sad that a lot of americans are convinced that iRAN are trying to make a bomb, that makes no sense at all, they would have no use for it, as iran is way behind in nuclear weapons technology, and would not be able to make an effective weapon to carry out any insane plot the americans and israels might have you believe, because they are not stupid and they know the consequences of that scenario. (Retaliation)

Come on, america and israel have thousands of nukes between them, real nukes, not 20 per cent enriched nukes....

I know this is the most far fetched idea ever, but what if the whole worlds population (forget the UN) got to sign a petition or vote on global events such as these, like wether america or israel should interefere with/strike iran.

I bet 60-70 per cent of americans would say yes they should, iran is crazy and should not be allowed to have peaceful nuclear technology because they can't be trusted and they are savage people because they treat their women badly,

whilst....the majority of the world I bet would vote against, saying you know what, iran should not suffer multiple devastating strikes with likely collateral damage in the thousands of civilians and suffer the same fate as libya afghanistan pakistan and iraq where about a million innocent people were massacred over a decade.

Just my opinions, I honestly think more people around the world would rather believe this hypothesis and side with iran after seing americas foreign policy and taking the war to its 'enemies' using the humanitarian corridor.

The worst trick of all was trying to pin 9/11 on iran last year, as if the american government could not sink any lower, to justify an attack on iran, propaganda is one thing, but that was just pure evil and disgusting behaviour.

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Well you could be right Op. The reason being is that here in New Mexico uranium has been making the news in the past few months.There has been a big push to reopen some uranium mines and start some new ones up in addition. The Feds just approved clean up for the Grants NM uranium mines, ( from the 1970's) now they want grant more claims.

All the link are for New Mexico alone. how many more claims are be re-activated in other states ? This just in 2011.

NRC reactivates license for uranium mining firm on 10 more claims

I think the company above is going to frack for uranium . if so, what in the hell are they thinking, now is will be uranium in the water supply.

The company says the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has reactivated its license for in-situ leach mining on 10 claims near Churchrock, N.M. The process involves injecting water into the ground and using chemicals as part of a drying process to release the uranium.

Native Americans fighting uranium industry

Feds Approve uranium enrichment plant in NM

Feds fund uranium mine cleanup

The most badly contaminated uranium mine on the Navajo Nation

The Grants mine was shut down in the 1970's and the EPA is just getting around to cleaning up the Navajo Nation where it is located on. On top off this another company want open up another uranium mine next to the Navajo Nation. You think that would be enough tick off the Navajo Nation, not so. There are a few other undisclosed companies also looking at starting up some uranium mines in New Mexico in addition to the ones listed above. it's like free for all uranium in NM now.

OP, I was wondering why the bing push in the past year to re-open and start new claims for uranium mines in New Mexico. (I really mean it, the uranium industry is pushing hard) I have not seen the uranium industry so happy since the 1970's. Of course the uranium industry here in running into more opposition they they ever have . Number one being the Navajo Nation, and other Native Americans tribes in New Mexico, they have big bucks to fight this and they might just win. This where some of the Casino profits are being spent, fighting the uranium industry. The environmental television commercials are already starting to air.

LANL is moving ahead with there plant as well. NM will be glowing in the dark soon.

Star and Flag for you. This is what I like about ATS Great Post OP.

Makes sense, I never even thought about this angle. I knew something was effed up about this, but, the oil angle was all I could see, that and protecting Israel.

lol your a little late. I thought we all knew this basic knowledge here on ats. Has the media or government ever been transparent about reasons for being rooted in 900 different countries?

"precious" natural resources my friend...

The mssing link that ties it all together. This is the real story! Why doesn't the media cover the real reason? Because your not suppose to know the real news. This fits the puzzle perfectly. US domination of the market. This blew my mind, even though it shouldn't. Has any news source done a story on this at all? We get played so bad by the media. Anyways, would we only attack if Iran starts to sell fuel rods? that's my guess or unless politicians actualy think we have to attack for national defense and/or for protection of Israel and all that good stuff. nothing says free market like taking down the competition.

Thankyou for posting! S&F! FINALLY a breakthrough!

I doubt we will see much, if anything at all on this in the mainstream media circles and I think we all know why.

I can only repeat your words and quote

""I never saw this angle. This is a game changer, because the debate can focus on whats really going on.""

From what i can see from the rest of this thread the majority are in agreement.

We still live in a time of imperialism and militarism as the Human Race has done for thousands of years, it has only been more intricately hidden over the last century. The question is what the hell does the Human Race DO about it???

IRAN vs UNITED STATES

2012

RATED PG 13

director .......NWO
producer .....CHINA/ RUSSIA/ MEXICO
writer .........GOP

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Want to follow the money? Then look at AIPAC's funding of congress and all of its related lobbying for Israel. The US and Israel don't want another country in the Middle East to have nuclear weapons, in order that these two countries have hegemony over the area.

In another way that it is about following the money is that Iran -- as did Iraq -- wants to change the denomination of payment for oil from petrol dollars to petrol euros or petrol yuan. The US clearly doesn't want this as it would devalue the dollar.

It's also about the US's grudge against Iran for the hostage crisis in 1978-1980. Just like the US has an irrational hate of Castor's Cuba to this day, for having allowed nuclear weapons aimed at the US to be put there, the US still resents Iran for its seizure of of the US embassy in Iran and the American hostages.

And then there's the good 'ol reliable war-profiteering angle for military contractors and arms contractors.

I really doubt that the possibility of Iran getting in on the nuclear fuel rod biz is the causus belli here. At most it is a secondary or tertiary one at best. Given that there are already a number of countries supplying uranium and/or processing and selling it to other countries, what is the big deal if Iran gets in on it? If it is at all about energy, then it is about the oil that Iran produces and sells.

Why claim some new, tenuous conspiracy theory reason for war on Iran when there are plenty of tried-and-true, well-founded ones already?

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its about installing a cenrat bank.jst like in libya, iraq and afganistan... when you control the money you control it all....

Originally posted by MrInquisitive
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Want to follow the money? Then look at AIPAC's funding of congress and all of its related lobbying for Israel. The US and Israel don't want another country in the Middle East to have nuclear weapons, in order that these two countries have hegemony over the area.

In another way that it is about following the money is that Iran -- as did Iraq -- wants to change the denomination of payment for oil from petrol dollars to petrol euros or petrol yuan. The US clearly doesn't want this as it would devalue the dollar.

It's also about the US's grudge against Iran for the hostage crisis in 1978-1980. Just like the US has an irrational hate of Castor's Cuba to this day, for having allowed nuclear weapons aimed at the US to be put there, the US still resents Iran for its seizure of of the US embassy in Iran and the American hostages.

And then there's the good 'ol reliable war-profiteering angle for military contractors and arms contractors.

I really doubt that the possibility of Iran getting in on the nuclear fuel rod biz is the causus belli here. At most it is a secondary or tertiary one at best. Given that there are already a number of countries supplying uranium and/or processing and selling it to other countries, what is the big deal if Iran gets in on it? If it is at all about energy, then it is about the oil that Iran produces and sells.

Why claim some new, tenuous conspiracy theory reason for war on Iran when there are plenty of tried-and-true, well-founded ones already?

I will agree with one thing you said...many of my Older associated want payback BAD for the Iranian Hostage situation. Irans current leader was one of the "Students" who was keeping these people hostage and the very day that Ronald Reagan was sworn into office...the Iranians let them go. This is a sre subject for the older guy's and they are still pised off.

If you remember...when U.S. Naval ships were harassed back in the 80's by Iranian boats and aircraft....we shot down a few iranian Migs and blew up one of their off shore oil platforms. We also accidentally shot down a civy plane but the plane was diirected to lower it's altitude and fly toward an American Carrier group.

BUT THIS TIME IT IS DIFFERENT...Iran has threatened the worlds shipment of oil....a very stupid statement by them...and if they do...it's go time. Split Infinity

Iran is not alone in making a power play for control over world energy. Should we go after the rest of the others. That list is one of a formidable enemy or a powerful ally depending on what it is a fight could be for.

True progress and prosperity or the preservation of Old war for the sake of Old reasons. here and now, It is still true that intellect saves nations. Military might's only defends them. The two are not related.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity

Originally posted by sean
Canada has been wanting to put in a gas pipeline and sell to the USA and put thousand and thousands of people to work. Guess who disapproved it? Obama! So now Canada is going to sell it to China. It's nice to know our government is working so hard in creating jobs ain't it?

Things are becoming more and more clear. It seems it's all about War and instilling fear into the people. It's about creating a boogieman, so you're all quickly willing to sign off on your freedom for a false sense of security. Drawing everybody in on the notion that Iran is going to use their nuclear technology to terrorize the world. The USA always talks about how they would like to see the middle eastern country's have more democracy and be more independent. However, on the other-hand they can't develop nuclear power plants to grow their economy and achieve that goal?

So now all eyes are being focused on Iran. My question, how long will it take for the next false flag to happen? A false flag Involving nuclear plants being blown up by supposed terrorist? Or nuclear bombs being dropped on our heads in the middle of the night while we sleep?

You have several good points and there is no doubt that it is rediculous for the United States...the most Tech. Advanced Nation on the face of the planet to still be using oil and burning coal. I am fairly certain...through information from my sometimes job...that a form of Low Temp. Fusion has been developed...and is being kept on the shelve as Big Oil is paying off Politicians. The fact that we still use and internal combustion engine is rediculous. Split Infinity

It is ridiculous. We have Fusion, Hydrogen, clean burning bio fuels ect. take your pick! All of which never came to fruition. Technology without a doubt is being suppressed and medical breakthroughs as well. Remember when a cure for diabetes was very close? Scientists found a way to inject human insulin genes into lettuce. Then they could grow it cheaply in mass quantities. That story I believe broke in 2006. So here we are 2012 and not a damn thing ever heard from them sense then. All the millions of dollars down the tubes in research that you and I and everyone else payed for.

You think it's in big pharma's interest to find a cure? Nope not all. Here's another food for thought...by 2050 1/3 the population of the US will either have type 1 or type 2 diabetes. That's not including all the people who have it and don't know it or are pre-diabetic and not know it. That's what you call a pandemic! Those numbers are absolutely staggering! You think a cure is on the horizon? Not a chance! I tell you man we live in a sinister world of greed and power. You're all cattle being farmed whether you know it or not.

What a great find !
This needs to go viral....and fast.

Don't understand why there,s only three pages on this thread ........?
This is massive.
We need to spread this info over the net so that it gets out to as many people as possible.

excellent post.

Star and Flag certainly.

I never viewed the economic side of the whole issue before.
This makes sense.

So to sum up the past fake wars :-

Invading Iraq was about oil for America
Invading Libya was about Oil for the euro countries (namley France, Italy and the UK)

Iran = Nuclear enrichment and Fuel rod assembly possibly on a cheaper scale compared to other countries ?
Syria = no one wants to invade yet as there is no 'economic' reason to, so people just die for nothing then